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[Trin9-0]

With those comments from the Wesleyan syndicate it can't be too much longer before we see a measured response from The Coop. Expect another launching of the GIF from Trin 8-0 unless he escalates things to include all time Trin- Wes stats etc.

Hey, to the victor goes the spoils. I can take some good natured ribbing (though the material is more than a little stale). Wes fans are thrilled with their second place finish; so I say let them enjoy it. The standard is just a little higher in Hartford so Bantam fans, and surely the Trin players and coaches, will need to stew on last season's disappointment and prepare for a bounce-back year in 2020.

[MidDay]

How has no one scooped up the Board name "Midd 9-0" yet?

IMO, would be worth starting your board legacy from scratch to be able to have that moniker.

I jumped in with my lame moniker about a month too early.

[Nescacman]

Devanney ranked higher than Dick Farley? Too bad ESPN doesn't take into account the low academic standards of Trinity

Absent the issue noted above, which I have commented on previously because it is factual, why wouldn't Farley be ranked higher to begin with since with the same number of losses (19) he has 18 more wins?  Farley should be ranked higher on just that standard.  Coming from a Jeffs fan ...

The Ephs need to get a few people on the selection committee over there at ESPN to counter-balance the Hartford State alumni influence in Bristol...we actually think the Devaney selection ahead of HCOF Farley is embarrassing for the league...

[Nescacman]

We had the honor of attending the D3 semi-final match-up last Saturday in Allentown, PA featuring the Mules of Muhlenberg (who knew Colby wasn't the only "Mule" out there!) against North Central from Illinois...We attended out of curiosity and because we know/recruited several student-athletes from North NJ who currently play for Muhlenberg...

In case you missed it, North Central pretty much destroyed Muhlenberg....the game was over at half-time...Muhlenberg, which had one of the top D3 defenses in the country, could not contain the North Central offense....on both sides of the ball, North Central's line dominated the Mules...

Our very unscientific assessment....any and all teams in the NESCAC would get pasted by North Central (from what we understand, their roster is full of D1 MAC conference transfers and rejects...based on size and skill, we believe it)....however, we think the upper echelon of the NESCAC from 2019 (MID, Wes, TTUN) would give Muhlenberg a run for their money and we would give them a shot at a win...I've been saying for a long-time that the Centennial League is very comparable to the NESCAC and we continue to believe that after watching Muhlenberg play in person on Saturday...btw, for the record, Muhlenberg could definitely use some NESCAC lessons on how to tailgate! 

[Hawk196]

We had the honor of attending the D3 semi-final match-up last Saturday in Allentown, PA featuring the Mules of Muhlenberg (who knew Colby wasn't the only "Mule" out there!) against North Central from Illinois...We attended out of curiosity and because we know/recruited several student-athletes from North NJ who currently play for Muhlenberg...

In case you missed it, North Central pretty much destroyed Muhlenberg....the game was over at half-time...Muhlenberg, which had one of the top D3 defenses in the country, could not contain the North Central offense....on both sides of the ball, North Central's line dominated the Mules...

Our very unscientific assessment....any and all teams in the NESCAC would get pasted by North Central (from what we understand, their roster is full of D1 MAC conference transfers and rejects...based on size and skill, we believe it)....however, we think the upper echelon of the NESCAC from 2019 (MID, Wes, TTUN) would give Muhlenberg a run for their money and we would give them a shot at a win...I've been saying for a long-time that the Centennial League is very comparable to the NESCAC and we continue to believe that after watching Muhlenberg play in person on Saturday...btw, for the record, Muhlenberg could definitely use some NESCAC lessons on how to tailgate!

Here is a good barometer North Central acceptance rate = 60% and Muhlenberg = 48%

Average Nescac acceptance rate = 18%

Very telling IMHO

[Nescacman]

We had the honor of attending the D3 semi-final match-up last Saturday in Allentown, PA featuring the Mules of Muhlenberg (who knew Colby wasn't the only "Mule" out there!) against North Central from Illinois...We attended out of curiosity and because we know/recruited several student-athletes from North NJ who currently play for Muhlenberg...

In case you missed it, North Central pretty much destroyed Muhlenberg....the game was over at half-time...Muhlenberg, which had one of the top D3 defenses in the country, could not contain the North Central offense....on both sides of the ball, North Central's line dominated the Mules...

Our very unscientific assessment....any and all teams in the NESCAC would get pasted by North Central (from what we understand, their roster is full of D1 MAC conference transfers and rejects...based on size and skill, we believe it)....however, we think the upper echelon of the NESCAC from 2019 (MID, Wes, TTUN) would give Muhlenberg a run for their money and we would give them a shot at a win...I've been saying for a long-time that the Centennial League is very comparable to the NESCAC and we continue to believe that after watching Muhlenberg play in person on Saturday...btw, for the record, Muhlenberg could definitely use some NESCAC lessons on how to tailgate!

Here is a good barometer North Central acceptance rate = 60% and Muhlenberg = 48%

Average Nescac acceptance rate = 18%

Very telling IMHO

No doubt NESCAC is better than the Centennial top to bottom academically but sports-wise in D3, I think they are comparable...

We'll be shocked if North Central doesn't win the Stagg Bowl...

On an unrelated note, congrats are in order to the Polars on nabbing Bergen Catholic part-time QB Andrew Boel...Boel split-time at QB for the Crusaders with the soph stud QB...we think he is a better "athlete" than QB...he is a 100% upgrade over anything else currently on the Polar roster at the QB position despite not being a traditional QB (a very poor man's Estevez)...at least he will be able to run for his life better than the current QB's given the state of the BOW O-line....

[Trin9-0]

The Ephs need to get a few people on the selection committee over there at ESPN to counter-balance the Hartford State alumni influence in Bristol...we actually think the Devaney selection ahead of HCOF Farley is embarrassing for the league...

Embarrassing is a bit strong, though I'd be willing to say it's premature. Keep in mind that Devanney is only 48, and could easily coach another 15 seasons in Hartford which means he's got a shot at breaking the record for most wins by a NESCAC coach (which is currently held by Devanney's former Trinity coach, Don Miller).

Most wins by NESCAC coaches:
1. Don Miller (Trinity) 174
2. Dan Jessee (Trinity) 150
    Jim Ostendarp (Amherst) 150
4. E.J. Mills (Amherst) 140
5. Mickey Heinecken (Middlebury) 126
6. Dick Farley (Williams) 114
7. Bob Ritter (Middlebury) 102
8. Jeff Devanney (Trinity) 96

It's interesting that three active coaches are so high on this list. Mills actually has a very good shot at breaking the all time NESCAC coaching wins record as well, while Ritter may very well break the record for wins at Middlebury.

[nescac1]

The Centennial isn't remotely comparable to NESCAC in athletics, if you are talking in the aggregate.  Outside of Johns Hopkins, the Centennial isn't really an athletic power conference.  I think WIAC and the UAA are the only leagues, in the aggregate, that are even possibly peers with NESCAC when you look at the entire picture.  NESCAC has absolutely dominated quite a few D3 sports over the course of this decade (women's and men's soccer, field hockey, women's basketball, men's lacrosse, men's and women's tennis, women's rowing etc.) while winning national titles (or runner-up finishes) in plenty of others.

Incoming Williams QB Colin Schofield was named MIAA first team all-state for the second year in a row.  Bobby Maimaron is going to be irreplaceable, but between his current back-up Jackson Bischoping (who has impressive arm talent and I think could start right now at a number of NESCAC schools) and Schofield, seems like the Ephs will at least have some solid options.   I'm hopeful that the Ephs bring in some big-time receivers (haven't heard of any yet) because that is clearly the thinnest position on the depth chart, and they will lose three seniors after 2020. 

[lumbercat]

With those comments from the Wesleyan syndicate it can't be too much longer before we see a measured response from The Coop. Expect another launching of the GIF from Trin 8-0 unless he escalates things to include all time Trin- Wes stats etc.

I do know I don't want to be team that faces the Bants in the opener next year coming off a 5-4 year.

In the meantime the Bantams are signing recruits left and right while Houdini remains up in the Green Mountain State patiently stalking his next passing QB - he's got about 6 different guys on the hook and a couple of rangy receivers to boot. The rest of the conference prays they don't see the second coming of Mccallum Foote and that 6'5" TE who still linger in the nightmares of NESCAC DC's.

Everybody raves about coaches Mills, DiCenzo, Devanney and now Raymond at Williams. At the same time the coronation of Murray at Hamilton as the latest coaching mastermind is premature. I'll take Houdini all day long.

[lumbercat]

With those comments from the Wesleyan syndicate it can't be too much longer before we see a measured response from The Coop. Expect another launching of the GIF from Trin 8-0 unless he escalates things to include all time Trin- Wes stats etc.


As predicted, like clockwork, Trin 8-0 posted the all time Trinity coaching records. They were 5-4- just move on.

[nescac1]

Williams continues to load up at QB in anticipation of a post-Maimaron future. 

Jack Dickinson, from Lakeside HS in Seattle, committed to the Ephs.  Also had offers from Amherst, Bowdoin, Middlebury, and U San Diego.  Played only three games as a senior due to injury but put up big numbers in those games. 

[nccfac]

We had the honor of attending the D3 semi-final match-up last Saturday in Allentown, PA featuring the Mules of Muhlenberg (who knew Colby wasn't the only "Mule" out there!) against North Central from Illinois...We attended out of curiosity and because we know/recruited several student-athletes from North NJ who currently play for Muhlenberg...

In case you missed it, North Central pretty much destroyed Muhlenberg....the game was over at half-time...Muhlenberg, which had one of the top D3 defenses in the country, could not contain the North Central offense....on both sides of the ball, North Central's line dominated the Mules...

Our very unscientific assessment....any and all teams in the NESCAC would get pasted by North Central (from what we understand, their roster is full of D1 MAC conference transfers and rejects...based on size and skill, we believe it)....however, we think the upper echelon of the NESCAC from 2019 (MID, Wes, TTUN) would give Muhlenberg a run for their money and we would give them a shot at a win...I've been saying for a long-time that the Centennial League is very comparable to the NESCAC and we continue to believe that after watching Muhlenberg play in person on Saturday...btw, for the record, Muhlenberg could definitely use some NESCAC lessons on how to tailgate!

Here is a good barometer North Central acceptance rate = 60% and Muhlenberg = 48%

Average Nescac acceptance rate = 18%

Very telling IMHO

Latest US News and World Report shows Muhlenberg's acceptance rate at 62%, NCC at 56%. We are proud of our students, in fact one of our math graduates is a professor at Williams. Also, our football team has a higher GPA than the average for the student body. Every time we win a game in playoffs, I hear just this kind of nonsense being thrown around. Do a little digging, you'll find we have a good academic program, along with a great football team.

[jmcozenlaw]

We had the honor of attending the D3 semi-final match-up last Saturday in Allentown, PA featuring the Mules of Muhlenberg (who knew Colby wasn't the only "Mule" out there!) against North Central from Illinois...We attended out of curiosity and because we know/recruited several student-athletes from North NJ who currently play for Muhlenberg...

In case you missed it, North Central pretty much destroyed Muhlenberg....the game was over at half-time...Muhlenberg, which had one of the top D3 defenses in the country, could not contain the North Central offense....on both sides of the ball, North Central's line dominated the Mules...

Our very unscientific assessment....any and all teams in the NESCAC would get pasted by North Central (from what we understand, their roster is full of D1 MAC conference transfers and rejects...based on size and skill, we believe it)....however, we think the upper echelon of the NESCAC from 2019 (MID, Wes, TTUN) would give Muhlenberg a run for their money and we would give them a shot at a win...I've been saying for a long-time that the Centennial League is very comparable to the NESCAC and we continue to believe that after watching Muhlenberg play in person on Saturday...btw, for the record, Muhlenberg could definitely use some NESCAC lessons on how to tailgate!

Here is a good barometer North Central acceptance rate = 60% and Muhlenberg = 48%

Average Nescac acceptance rate = 18%

Very telling IMHO

Latest US News and World Report shows Muhlenberg's acceptance rate at 62%, NCC at 56%. We are proud of our students, in fact one of our math graduates is a professor at Williams. Also, our football team has a higher GPA than the average for the student body. Every time we win a game in playoffs, I hear just this kind of nonsense being thrown around. Do a little digging, you'll find we have a good academic program, along with a great football team.

Don't listen to the nonsense. I could provide tens of thousands of examples of incredibly successful people who did not go to a NESCAC school, nor an Ivy League school. A debit is a debit........a credit is a credit. I manage risk capital for very wealthy people. I went to Swarthmore (a non-NESCAC/non-Ivy). I do not have a single NESCAC nor Ivy League graduate as a client anymore........and my average account balance is now around 12.6 million. My personal lawyer (#1 in the state of PA by the way) went to Bloomsburg State and Dickinson (for law school). That is not a Williams/Harvard pairing. My #2 client went to Holy Family (undergrad). No grad school for Ken. His net worth (zero inheritance) stands around 220 million.

So anytime that you hear or read the 'nonsense', pay it no mind. I've fired my share of NESCAC and Ivy League grads (from PepsiCo and Bain) and hired 'kids' from PA and NJ state schools. A young man or women who decides to do something more noble (teach and coach) will never make the money that someone chasing the green will, but as parents, we demand excellence from our schools and our teachers. That grad making $60K to teach and coach OUR KIDS is just as 'successful'  as another grad making $150K working 18 hour days slumming it for Goldman Sachs. In fact, the teacher/coach will have a much greater impact on many more lives than the Goldman Sachs employee.

Let them live in their dream world...................and choose, like you are, to live in the real world.

Mark Cuban once said, "it's not about where you got the piece of paper" (he's a Western PA kid who went to that hotbed of knowledge.........the University of Indiana. He was rejected by Carnegie Mellon and Duquense)..............."it's the things that you do, not how much you make, after you get it".

I've gotten to know MarK (through friends with the Mavs). He is spot on!

[Hawk196]

We had the honor of attending the D3 semi-final match-up last Saturday in Allentown, PA featuring the Mules of Muhlenberg (who knew Colby wasn't the only "Mule" out there!) against North Central from Illinois...We attended out of curiosity and because we know/recruited several student-athletes from North NJ who currently play for Muhlenberg...

In case you missed it, North Central pretty much destroyed Muhlenberg....the game was over at half-time...Muhlenberg, which had one of the top D3 defenses in the country, could not contain the North Central offense....on both sides of the ball, North Central's line dominated the Mules...

Our very unscientific assessment....any and all teams in the NESCAC would get pasted by North Central (from what we understand, their roster is full of D1 MAC conference transfers and rejects...based on size and skill, we believe it)....however, we think the upper echelon of the NESCAC from 2019 (MID, Wes, TTUN) would give Muhlenberg a run for their money and we would give them a shot at a win...I've been saying for a long-time that the Centennial League is very comparable to the NESCAC and we continue to believe that after watching Muhlenberg play in person on Saturday...btw, for the record, Muhlenberg could definitely use some NESCAC lessons on how to tailgate!

Here is a good barometer North Central acceptance rate = 60% and Muhlenberg = 48%

Average Nescac acceptance rate = 18%

Very telling IMHO

Latest US News and World Report shows Muhlenberg's acceptance rate at 62%, NCC at 56%. We are proud of our students, in fact one of our math graduates is a professor at Williams. Also, our football team has a higher GPA than the average for the student body. Every time we win a game in playoffs, I hear just this kind of nonsense being thrown around. Do a little digging, you'll find we have a good academic program, along with a great football team.

Don't listen to the nonsense. I could provide tens of thousands of examples of incredibly successful people who did not go to a NESCAC school, nor an Ivy League school. A debit is a debit........a credit is a credit. I manage risk capital for very wealthy people. I went to Swarthmore (a non-NESCAC/non-Ivy). I do not have a single NESCAC nor Ivy League graduate as a client anymore........and my average account balance is now around 12.6 million. My personal lawyer (#1 in the state of PA by the way) went to Bloomsburg State and Dickinson (for law school). That is not a Williams/Harvard pairing. My #2 client went to Holy Family (undergrad). No grad school for Ken. His net worth (zero inheritance) stands around 220 million.

So anytime that you hear or read the 'nonsense', pay it no mind. I've fired my share of NESCAC and Ivy League grads (from PepsiCo and Bain) and hired 'kids' from PA and NJ state schools. A young man or women who decides to do something more noble (teach and coach) will never make the money that someone chasing the green will, but as parents, we demand excellence from our schools and our teachers. That grad making $60K to teach and coach OUR KIDS is just as 'successful'  as another grad making $150K working 18 hour days slumming it for Goldman Sachs. In fact, the teacher/coach will have a much greater impact on many more lives than the Goldman Sachs employee.

Let them live in their dream world...................and choose, like you are, to live in the real world.

Mark Cuban once said, "it's not about where you got the piece of paper" (he's a Western PA kid who went to that hotbed of knowledge.........the University of Indiana. He was rejected by Carnegie Mellon and Duquense)..............."it's the things that you do, not how much you make, after you get it".

I've gotten to know MarK (through friends with the Mavs). He is spot on!

I read alot of blah, blah there.

I don't care about how much a few students make after graduation. My point is that the other schools have it easier in their recruitment of talented players. That's great that Johnny the starting quarterback, threw all these TDs to win and is so smart and successful(sometimes its who you know not what, that people get great jobs), how about the WR or the OL who could get into Muhlenberg, but not Williams or Amherst. My point is the recruitment pool is larger than the NESCAC schools because of the stringent process to GET INTO THE SCHOOL, not what they do after they graduate.

[Jonny Utah]

We had the honor of attending the D3 semi-final match-up last Saturday in Allentown, PA featuring the Mules of Muhlenberg (who knew Colby wasn't the only "Mule" out there!) against North Central from Illinois...We attended out of curiosity and because we know/recruited several student-athletes from North NJ who currently play for Muhlenberg...

In case you missed it, North Central pretty much destroyed Muhlenberg....the game was over at half-time...Muhlenberg, which had one of the top D3 defenses in the country, could not contain the North Central offense....on both sides of the ball, North Central's line dominated the Mules...

Our very unscientific assessment....any and all teams in the NESCAC would get pasted by North Central (from what we understand, their roster is full of D1 MAC conference transfers and rejects...based on size and skill, we believe it)....however, we think the upper echelon of the NESCAC from 2019 (MID, Wes, TTUN) would give Muhlenberg a run for their money and we would give them a shot at a win...I've been saying for a long-time that the Centennial League is very comparable to the NESCAC and we continue to believe that after watching Muhlenberg play in person on Saturday...btw, for the record, Muhlenberg could definitely use some NESCAC lessons on how to tailgate!

Here is a good barometer North Central acceptance rate = 60% and Muhlenberg = 48%

Average Nescac acceptance rate = 18%

Very telling IMHO

Latest US News and World Report shows Muhlenberg's acceptance rate at 62%, NCC at 56%. We are proud of our students, in fact one of our math graduates is a professor at Williams. Also, our football team has a higher GPA than the average for the student body. Every time we win a game in playoffs, I hear just this kind of nonsense being thrown around. Do a little digging, you'll find we have a good academic program, along with a great football team.

Don't listen to the nonsense. I could provide tens of thousands of examples of incredibly successful people who did not go to a NESCAC school, nor an Ivy League school. A debit is a debit........a credit is a credit. I manage risk capital for very wealthy people. I went to Swarthmore (a non-NESCAC/non-Ivy). I do not have a single NESCAC nor Ivy League graduate as a client anymore........and my average account balance is now around 12.6 million. My personal lawyer (#1 in the state of PA by the way) went to Bloomsburg State and Dickinson (for law school). That is not a Williams/Harvard pairing. My #2 client went to Holy Family (undergrad). No grad school for Ken. His net worth (zero inheritance) stands around 220 million.

So anytime that you hear or read the 'nonsense', pay it no mind. I've fired my share of NESCAC and Ivy League grads (from PepsiCo and Bain) and hired 'kids' from PA and NJ state schools. A young man or women who decides to do something more noble (teach and coach) will never make the money that someone chasing the green will, but as parents, we demand excellence from our schools and our teachers. That grad making $60K to teach and coach OUR KIDS is just as 'successful'  as another grad making $150K working 18 hour days slumming it for Goldman Sachs. In fact, the teacher/coach will have a much greater impact on many more lives than the Goldman Sachs employee.

Let them live in their dream world...................and choose, like you are, to live in the real world.

Mark Cuban once said, "it's not about where you got the piece of paper" (he's a Western PA kid who went to that hotbed of knowledge.........the University of Indiana. He was rejected by Carnegie Mellon and Duquense)..............."it's the things that you do, not how much you make, after you get it".

I've gotten to know MarK (through friends with the Mavs). He is spot on!

I read alot of blah, blah there.

I don't care about how much a few students make after graduation. My point is that the other schools have it easier in their recruitment of talented players. That's great that Johnny the starting quarterback, threw all these TDs to win and is so smart and successful(sometimes its who you know not what, that people get great jobs), how about the WR or the OL who could get into Muhlenberg, but not Williams or Amherst. My point is the recruitment pool is larger than the NESCAC schools because of the stringent process to GET INTO THE SCHOOL, not what they do after they graduate.

Williams and Amherst are national universities though.  They have it easier in that they can recruit the entire country.  That is an advantage.  The disadvantage is that Nescac schools is exactly what you said above.  You need top grades and scores to get into a Nescac school.  Then again, what percentage of the Williams College football team wouldn't get into Williams College if they couldn't play football?  I'm guessing it isn't over 50%, but it's probably around there.  And that's the main reason Nescac Schools wouldn't be able to complete nationally in football (see MIT).  That 50% who needs to get in on academic merit alone isn't going to bring them to the champmionship level in a sport like football.