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[Charlie]

Not so fast, my friend....In reality, the multi QB sets were implemented by Gleeson's former boss -  OC James Perry - who is now the HCOF at Brown University...it was Perry's innovation that Gleeson helped execute as an assistant coach.

Sure enough, Gleeson continued the sets after Perry departed for his first HCOF job at Bryant College

Hope I didn't give off the impression that I thought Gleeson invented the 2QB scheme.

As for Williams and Wesleyan up front, Williams certainly has the advantage. But I don't know that Trinity's DL is better than Wesleyan's as it pertains to this game. Who does Trinity have in the middle that is anywhere near as good as Nick Helbig? He's going to be positioned where Williams wants to run the ball on most plays and it does not take much to disrupt a running game if you are getting a great push from your NT. Go watch Georgia and Jordan Davis.

So now you are comparing players at the National level to the NESCAC level. I domnt think so. Trinity's front Dl lead the league in most categories as well as defense. All the statistics dont mean anything. If football was as easy as puttingthe man where you think the play is going you are sadly mistaken. Williams OL works a unit. The only way to stop this running attack is going to be stacking the box and forcing Williams QB to throw the ball. I am not so sure that is a good idea he is a good scrambler  , can run and made Trinity look foolish on numerous plays.  Oh yes and he can throw. Lets say they slow them down what indication was given at all that Wesleyan coan move the ball on the Williams defense. The front three of Williams are playing better than any combination I have seen in years. In addition the Safteies can hit. I just dont see Wesleyan being able to put up points against them unless there is massive improvising by QB. What I do see is Williams getting up by multiple scores then killing the clock with their runing attack. What will really hurt Wesleyan is if the get in obvious assing situations can Wesleyan hold off the DL. If they cant Williams will have 8 guys sitting back for the scrambling Estevez. I just dont see this happening. But the only wild card is Dicenzo if there is any Coach that can pull a rabbit out of a hat it could be him.

[Nescacman]

All I can hope for is that football endures the health concerns and wokeism onslaught we seem to being drowned in....

Most of the schools in the league have been playing football for 140 years+....we doubt that streak is going to end anytime soon...TG

[Nescacman]

Not so fast, my friend....In reality, the multi QB sets were implemented by Gleeson's former boss -  OC James Perry - who is now the HCOF at Brown University...it was Perry's innovation that Gleeson helped execute as an assistant coach.

Sure enough, Gleeson continued the sets after Perry departed for his first HCOF job at Bryant College

Hope I didn't give off the impression that I thought Gleeson invented the 2QB scheme.

As for Williams and Wesleyan up front, Williams certainly has the advantage. But I don't know that Trinity's DL is better than Wesleyan's as it pertains to this game. Who does Trinity have in the middle that is anywhere near as good as Nick Helbig? He's going to be positioned where Williams wants to run the ball on most plays and it does not take much to disrupt a running game if you are getting a great push from your NT. Go watch Georgia and Jordan Davis.

So now you are comparing players at the National level to the NESCAC level. I domnt think so. Trinity's front Dl lead the league in most categories as well as defense. All the statistics dont mean anything. If football was as easy as puttingthe man where you think the play is going you are sadly mistaken. Williams OL works a unit. The only way to stop this running attack is going to be stacking the box and forcing Williams QB to throw the ball. I am not so sure that is a good idea he is a good scrambler  , can run and made Trinity look foolish on numerous plays.  Oh yes and he can throw. Lets say they slow them down what indication was given at all that Wesleyan coan move the ball on the Williams defense. The front three of Williams are playing better than any combination I have seen in years. In addition the Safteies can hit. I just dont see Wesleyan being able to put up points against them unless there is massive improvising by QB. What I do see is Williams getting up by multiple scores then killing the clock with their runing attack. What will really hurt Wesleyan is if the get in obvious assing situations can Wesleyan hold off the DL. If they cant Williams will have 8 guys sitting back for the scrambling Estevez. I just dont see this happening. But the only wild card is Dicenzo if there is any Coach that can pull a rabbit out of a hat it could be him.

Charlie, we suggest you go back and watch the film of the 2019 game...FYI, most of the actors were/are the same...we know nescac1 and Spring have watched it many times (as have Mole and NESCACMAN) hence their caution WRT Saturday...BTW, probably the best D3 football game/expereince we have ever been a part of (playing, watching, coaching)...

[JEFFFAN]

"So now you are comparing players at the National level to the NESCAC level."

Well, since you brought it up, is there any reason we should not compare NESCAC football players to other D3 players around the country.   Repeat - other D3 players.   Considering that the NESCAC wins a high percentage of national championships in other sports, I have no doubt that NESCAC football would hold its head high when playing other D3 programs around the country.

[Charlie]

"So now you are comparing players at the National level to the NESCAC level."

Well, since you brought it up, is there any reason we should not compare NESCAC football players to other D3 players around the country.   Repeat - other D3 players.   Considering that the NESCAC wins a high percentage of national championships in other sports, I have no doubt that NESCAC football would hold its head high when playing other D3 programs around the country.

I know the board will say discussion for another day or will not happen. It is a simple fix for them instead of starting season so late start season in August like every other college. these kids should have playoffs or move on. Even High School public and private play more games and have playoffs. Cant be about money. But I guess we have to embrace what we have.

[JEFFFAN]

Love your enthusiasm, Charlie, but not in our lifetime or likely our children's lifetime will NESCAC ever do playoffs or expand to be able to go nationwide.   Ironically, they did it successfully in other sports to great success - truly extraordinary success.   Best D3 conference in America by far in all sports other than football, men and women.   No other conference even close.   But football is a bridge too wide.   So best to leave that one alone.

But the 100% theoretical question of whether NESCAC football could compete nationwide is an interesting one to discuss, if not today then after the season is over!

Go Jeffs!

[SpringSt7]

I guess I would need someone to break down the tape for me but I don't know who Trinity has that is better up front than either Helbig or Eighmy.

Football is not as simple as putting your players where the ball is going to go but Williams clearly wants to run the ball up the middle and Wesleyan has great interior linemen. Is Dice going to line up Helbig out wide on Stola on Saturday? That seems unlikely!

[lumbercat]

Helbig wins the beauty contest 6'3' 275- looks like a stud in the uniform but has underperformed all year- very ordinary in the Bates game couldn't believe the Bates OT handled him so well-- and hasn't done much of anything all year. Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane.
Eighty- good player but he's not changing games against Williams or Trinity.
You guys are getting too caught up the Wesleyan media hype.
Just beat Trinity then you have the microphone.

[The Mole]

Talk about classless? One thing to criticize a coach (professional adult) but a player? Completely inappropriate. BTW it is Eighmy not 80 and he is #49.

Repeat: 51-183 since 1992. When is the last time your Bobcats beat Trinity? Bants have owned the Cards recently but the historical 54-64-2 is hardly an embarrassment, and Wes won last season.

Just average more than 2 wins a year and you can have the microphone.

Helbig wins the beauty contest 6'3' 275- looks like a stud in the uniform but has underperformed all year- very ordinary in the Bates game couldn't believe the Bates OT handled him so well-- and hasn't done much of anything all year. Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane.
Eighty- good player but he's not changing games against Williams or Trinity.
You guys are getting too caught up the Wesleyan media hype.
Just beat Trinity then you have the microphone.

[polbear73]

"So now you are comparing players at the National level to the NESCAC level."

Well, since you brought it up, is there any reason we should not compare NESCAC football players to other D3 players around the country.   Repeat - other D3 players.   Considering that the NESCAC wins a high percentage of national championships in other sports, I have no doubt that NESCAC football would hold its head high when playing other D3 programs around the country.

I know the board will say discussion for another day or will not happen. It is a simple fix for them instead of starting season so late start season in August like every other college. these kids should have playoffs or move on. Even High School public and private play more games and have playoffs. Cant be about money. But I guess we have to embrace what we have.

Charlie, the league presidents believe in football having a place and time and anything resembling overemphasized is going to be struck down. Your barely literate rants to the contrary are getting tiresome; please stop.

[Charlie]

"So now you are comparing players at the National level to the NESCAC level."

Well, since you brought it up, is there any reason we should not compare NESCAC football players to other D3 players around the country.   Repeat - other D3 players.   Considering that the NESCAC wins a high percentage of national championships in other sports, I have no doubt that NESCAC football would hold its head high when playing other D3 programs around the country.

It is not a rant I was merely answering the message on chat thats why I said we need to embrace what we have. I know NESCAC will never do playoffs it should but we know they won't.

I know the board will say discussion for another day or will not happen. It is a simple fix for them instead of starting season so late start season in August like every other college. these kids should have playoffs or move on. Even High School public and private play more games and have playoffs. Cant be about money. But I guess we have to embrace what we have.

Charlie, the league presidents believe in football having a place and time and anything resembling overemphasized is going to be struck down. Your barely literate rants to the contrary are getting tiresome; please stop.

[lumbercat]

Talk about classless? One thing to criticize a coach (professional adult) but a player? Completely inappropriate. BTW it is Eighmy not 80 and he is #49.

Repeat: 51-183 since 1992. When is the last time your Bobcats beat Trinity? Bants have owned the Cards recently but the historical 54-64-2 is hardly an embarrassment, and Wes won last season.

Just average more than 2 wins a year and you can have the microphone.

Helbig wins the beauty contest 6'3' 275- looks like a stud in the uniform but has underperformed all year- very ordinary in the Bates game couldn't believe the Bates OT handled him so well-- and hasn't done much of anything all year. Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane.
Eighty- good player but he's not changing games against Williams or Trinity.
You guys are getting too caught up the Wesleyan media hype.
Just beat Trinity then you have the microphone.

Mole-

Helbig will still probably be an all conference guy this year but you are right I apologize for the Tarzan quip. That was out of line.

I've never been delusional about the Bates record- I know what the numbers are and I accept the comments and shots regularly here.
They are trying to get better and I hope they do.

My point was when you can get on a true competitive level with Trinity your assertions about the greatness of the Cards will be substantiated. Lets see how these 2 final games play out, should  be a couple of good ones.

[The Mole]

Alright, lumber, thanks for that. However, I have not made any assertions of greatness about Wesleyan. I have commented how the program has improved under Whales/Dice and is certainly trending in the right direction. They must win the big games and get a NESCAC crown to prove they have arrived. I firmly believe they have the talent, coaching and support to accomplish that, but it ain't gonna be easy. I have said before that the competitive balance top to bottom is significantly improved in the league, and that makes for great games and contests. Hard to believe season is ending in 8 days....

Talk about classless? One thing to criticize a coach (professional adult) but a player? Completely inappropriate. BTW it is Eighmy not 80 and he is #49.

Repeat: 51-183 since 1992. When is the last time your Bobcats beat Trinity? Bants have owned the Cards recently but the historical 54-64-2 is hardly an embarrassment, and Wes won last season.

Just average more than 2 wins a year and you can have the microphone.

Helbig wins the beauty contest 6'3' 275- looks like a stud in the uniform but has underperformed all year- very ordinary in the Bates game couldn't believe the Bates OT handled him so well-- and hasn't done much of anything all year. Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane.
Eighty- good player but he's not changing games against Williams or Trinity.
You guys are getting too caught up the Wesleyan media hype.
Just beat Trinity then you have the microphone.

Mole-

Helbig will still probably be an all conference guy this year but you are right I apologize for the Tarzan quip. That was out of line.

I've never been delusional about the Bates record- I know what the numbers are and I accept the comments and shots regularly here.
They are trying to get better and I hope they do.

My point was when you can get on a true competitive level with Trinity your assertions about the greatness of the Cards will be substantiated. Lets see how these 2 final games play out, should  be a couple of good ones.

[Nescacman]

Helbig wins the beauty contest 6'3' 275- looks like a stud in the uniform but has underperformed all year- very ordinary in the Bates game couldn't believe the Bates OT handled him so well-- and hasn't done much of anything all year. Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane.
Eighty- good player but he's not changing games against Williams or Trinity.
You guys are getting too caught up the Wesleyan media hype.
Just beat Trinity then you have the microphone.

All we will say about Helbig is he among the DL leaders in the NESCAC in TFL and sacks, despite being banged up earlier in the year, missing most of 2 games, and being double-teamed on almost every play all year....we'll add as an ex-interior defensive lineman, success does not always correlate to traditional statistics like tackles, sacks, TFL, etc...you need to also look at how the team is doing against the run (in Wes's case, I'd give them an "A+" this year) and how many tackles the LB's are making (in Wes's case, I'd give them an "A" this year) along with some of the other stats...you are correct in assuming that Nick will once again be 1st team all-NESCAC again this year...he's had a great season so far despite some adversity...just our opinion...

[nescac1]

Helbig is legit.

What happened to that Tufts DL who was a pre-season all-American?  Hurt?  Seems like a very quiet year.