FB: New England Small College Athletic Conference

[UfanBill]

UNION was a charter member of the NESCAC in 1971 until they departed in 1977. IMO that was the best thing to ever happen to the Union football program. Forget them ever rejoining the NESCAC. On the converse I actually think it makes much more sense for Hamilton to leave the NESCAC and join the Liberty League.

[Charlie]

UNION was a charter member of the NESCAC in 1971 until they departed in 1977. IMO that was the best thing to ever happen to the Union football program. Forget them ever rejoining the NESCAC. On the converse I actually think it makes much more sense for Hamilton to leave the NESCAC and join the Liberty League.

Am I mistaken or was Norwich University or WPI at one time in the NESCAC ?

[Doid23]

UNION was a charter member of the NESCAC in 1971 until they departed in 1977. IMO that was the best thing to ever happen to the Union football program. Forget them ever rejoining the NESCAC. On the converse I actually think it makes much more sense for Hamilton to leave the NESCAC and join the Liberty League.

Am I mistaken or was Norwich University or WPI at one time in the NESCAC ?

I am almost positive that they never were, but do recall Middlebury-Norwich playing all the time until NESCAC went exclusive in football.

[Nescacman]

UNION was a charter member of the NESCAC in 1971 until they departed in 1977. IMO that was the best thing to ever happen to the Union football program. Forget them ever rejoining the NESCAC. On the converse I actually think it makes much more sense for Hamilton to leave the NESCAC and join the Liberty League.

As a NESCAC fan with strong links to the Dutchmen, we could not agree more...no way Union ever rejoins the NESCAC...between the hockey issue, Union football would never give up the chance to play in the D3 play-offs....

Now if NESCAC ever went back to playing out of conferences games, we're sure Union would welcome back playing the likes of the Ephs and the Conts like they did in the good ole days...

To address other issues raised, WPI and Norwich were never NESCAC members but were regularly among NESCAC members out of conference games...

Babson regularly plays many NESCAC teams in other sports but we can't see them being added, nor can we see Skidmore or Wheaton...Vasser might be a good fit but we are partial to adding an 11th football school which is why we like MIT...we understand the non-liberal arts argument but you could make that argument with Tufts as well...

[Charlie]

UNION was a charter member of the NESCAC in 1971 until they departed in 1977. IMO that was the best thing to ever happen to the Union football program. Forget them ever rejoining the NESCAC. On the converse I actually think it makes much more sense for Hamilton to leave the NESCAC and join the Liberty League.

Am I mistaken or was Norwich University or WPI at one time in the NESCAC ?

Has anyone else noticed that Trinity is offering a great deal of players offers for football and more importantly stockpiling OL and WR in this recruiting period. I realise they landed a couple of bonfide studs on the defensive side but seems that they are throwing a great numbers of offers out there for offense. Any early grades on this years football recruitment in NESCAC or is it still early

[Nescacman]

UNION was a charter member of the NESCAC in 1971 until they departed in 1977. IMO that was the best thing to ever happen to the Union football program. Forget them ever rejoining the NESCAC. On the converse I actually think it makes much more sense for Hamilton to leave the NESCAC and join the Liberty League.

Am I mistaken or was Norwich University or WPI at one time in the NESCAC ?

Has anyone else noticed that Trinity is offering a great deal of players offers for football and more importantly stockpiling OL and WR in this recruiting period. I realise they landed a couple of bonfide studs on the defensive side but seems that they are throwing a great numbers of offers out there for offense. Any early grades on this years football recruitment in NESCAC or is it still early

Charlie, since the NESCAC schools very rarely tout their recruits, at least this early, the only way to determine what student-athletes are POSSIBLY going to a NESCAC school is to follow all of the Teams and their coaches and follow the student-athletes Tweets on Twitter....Even that approach is not perfect for several reasons....not every kid Tweets, not ever kid uses the correct hashtags, kids only say they are "committed to the application process", the schools only say they have have offered a kid a roster spot as long as they get accepted, etc.

So basically, it's early and impossible to tell....now we're sure nescac1 and SpringStreet will tell you that the Ephs have their greatest recruiting class ever but, of course, who knows and time will tell...

BTW, since it's still pretty rare for a FY to have a game-changing impact impact on a team (yes, there are exceptions), next year's NESCAC Champion will win it with what they have on campus right now...

As a follow-up, we understand that NESCAC will allow fully sanctioned Spring football practice for the first time this Spring....our understanding is that there will be 15 practices with coaches allowed to be in attendance...what equipment the players wear and the level of contact are TBD... 

[nescac1]

Boston Globe has its all scholastics out ... only four NESCAC (to date) guys listed, two headed to Trinity (of course), one Williams, and one Bowdoin ...

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/high-schools/202122/all-scholastics/?sport=football

[Charlie]

Boston Globe has its all scholastics out ... only four NESCAC (to date) guys listed, two headed to Trinity (of course), one Williams, and one Bowdoin ...

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/high-schools/202122/all-scholastics/?sport=football

These are accolades are extremely skewed. There are tons of kids who should be ranked higher but because there schools and or Coaches give them little press these kids dont get recognized enough. I find player rating from independent companies are better indicators of the players.

[Jonny Utah]

Boston Globe has its all scholastics out ... only four NESCAC (to date) guys listed, two headed to Trinity (of course), one Williams, and one Bowdoin ...

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/high-schools/202122/all-scholastics/?sport=football

These are accolades are extremely skewed. There are tons of kids who should be ranked higher but because there schools and or Coaches give them little press these kids dont get recognized enough. I find player rating from independent companies are better indicators of the players.

Which one of your nephews didn't make the list Charlie?

[Charlie]

Boston Globe has its all scholastics out ... only four NESCAC (to date) guys listed, two headed to Trinity (of course), one Williams, and one Bowdoin ...

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/high-schools/202122/all-scholastics/?sport=football

These are accolades are extremely skewed. There are tons of kids who should be ranked higher but because there schools and or Coaches give them little press these kids dont get recognized enough. I find player rating from independent companies are better indicators of the players.

Which one of your nephews didn't make the list Charlie?

I dont have any but know of a great deal of ISL players and NEPSAC players that should have graded out higher than these ratings.

The biggest drawback is from teams that have poor records or play lower divisions that do not get props. Is what it is I guess

[Jonny Utah]

Boston Globe has its all scholastics out ... only four NESCAC (to date) guys listed, two headed to Trinity (of course), one Williams, and one Bowdoin ...

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/high-schools/202122/all-scholastics/?sport=football

These are accolades are extremely skewed. There are tons of kids who should be ranked higher but because there schools and or Coaches give them little press these kids dont get recognized enough. I find player rating from independent companies are better indicators of the players.

Which one of your nephews didn't make the list Charlie?

I dont have any but know of a great deal of ISL players and NEPSAC players that should have graded out higher than these ratings.

The biggest drawback is from teams that have poor records or play lower divisions that do not get props. Is what it is I guess

I don't think the Globe puts ISL and public schools players together.  I would agree that there are football players at ISL schools who did not make this list who are better than public school kids who did make it. I believe they give each group a specific number of players (ex: public/catholic have 25, ISL has 10, NEPSAC has 5) and I think that is by design.  If the ISL has 15 football schools with 50 kids on each team (750 kids), you can't lump them into MIAA that has 275 teams with 50 kids (10,000 kids).  After all they don't even play each other.

[Charlie]

Boston Globe has its all scholastics out ... only four NESCAC (to date) guys listed, two headed to Trinity (of course), one Williams, and one Bowdoin ...

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/high-schools/202122/all-scholastics/?sport=football

I get that but on the front they mix the best players in the state with private and public. I know a great deal of players because the division they are in and the fact that the school does not promote the kids or football are left off lists. It feels like this is more a publicity based rankings than stats. Dont get me wrong the kids that made top lists deserve this I just think kids are penalized for being either in lousy programs , have Coaches that dont care or school administrations that dont care to promote their students.

These are accolades are extremely skewed. There are tons of kids who should be ranked higher but because there schools and or Coaches give them little press these kids dont get recognized enough. I find player rating from independent companies are better indicators of the players.

Which one of your nephews didn't make the list Charlie?

I dont have any but know of a great deal of ISL players and NEPSAC players that should have graded out higher than these ratings.

The biggest drawback is from teams that have poor records or play lower divisions that do not get props. Is what it is I guess

I don't think the Globe puts ISL and public schools players together.  I would agree that there are football players at ISL schools who did not make this list who are better than public school kids who did make it. I believe they give each group a specific number of players (ex: public/catholic have 25, ISL has 10, NEPSAC has 5) and I think that is by design.  If the ISL has 15 football schools with 50 kids on each team (750 kids), you can't lump them into MIAA that has 275 teams with 50 kids (10,000 kids).  After all they don't even play each other.

[Jonny Utah]

Well the names are listed in alphabetical order which is something they didn't always do.  But I get what you are saying.  Lots of the top players in MA are not on that list.  If coaches or schools or even players aren't getting themselves known, then that is kind of on them.

  I believe that is because they only want a percentage of players to "all stars" per league (MIAA/ISL/NEPSAC).  Not sure if my numbers are right, but I'm guessing the average ISL team has 40 players on the roster?  Maybe 50? That gives the ISL 1 All Scholastic for every 150 players.

The MIAA has 275 teams with the same numbers?  40 or 50 players?  That's about 1 All Scholastic per 180 players.

[SpringSt7]

The Globe and MA in general tends to skew very heavy towards public school recognition---many of the top prep schools do not garner the attention that the private schools in places like NYC, DC, and Philly do so it seems they get mostly ignored. Regardless, I think it is still useful for highlight NESCAC recruits, which is all nescac1 was trying to do.

I don't know what the average roster size in the ISL is but I do know that the commitment to football varies a TON from the top of the league to the bottom of the league, so whatever that metric it, it wouldn't be very useful. I would guess there are some top teams that are in the 60-70 range. Conversely, I remember a story where a team had to cancel its season because they didn't have enough bodies to finish it.

[Charlie]

The Globe and MA in general tends to skew very heavy towards public school recognition---many of the top prep schools do not garner the attention that the private schools in places like NYC, DC, and Philly do so it seems they get mostly ignored. Regardless, I think it is still useful for highlight NESCAC recruits, which is all nescac1 was trying to do.

I don't know what the average roster size in the ISL is but I do know that the commitment to football varies a TON from the top of the league to the bottom of the league, so whatever that metric it, it wouldn't be very useful. I would guess there are some top teams that are in the 60-70 range. Conversely, I remember a story where a team had to cancel its season because they didn't have enough bodies to finish it.


Makes sense just viewed a bunch of kids who were All Stars but should have been ranked Top 10.  I think they get over shadowed again because the school and more importantly Coaches do not promote the kids.

Side Note did people hear the Spring League for High School Football is going into its second year. I was able to Catch a few of the games last year. The level of play was awesome they did so many smart things , Current and former College Coaches Coach teams and 13 kids last year from the league teams went D1 and around the same number went D2 & D3.