FB: New England Small College Athletic Conference

[Charlie]

I really like what I see with the new Williams recruits. Several are physical, hard-hitting, strong, quick, linemen obviously passionate about playing football. Of course, capable in the classroom as well ... undoubtedly now have the opportunity to enjoy a great college experience guided by Coach Ray and the outstanding EPH assistants. We'll see who makes the most of this opportunity ....

Disturbing news out of NESCAC Spring football after 2022 will be cancelled. The confirmed rumor is that 5 of the schools offering Spring football resisted the plan and the Presidents agreed that there will be no more Spring football practices in 2023. As you can tell the schools with football success wanted to have the practices as well as the players. The practices from all discussions were productive and did not interfere with academic calendars.

[NESCACFball24/7]

I'm sorry but nearly every high school and definitely college conference has spring football. I don't know why the NESCAC is acting like this is some sort of radical concept. If a player can't manage it with school then I think that says more about the lack of infrastructure in place to support these kids than it does about spring football or any individual kid.

[nescac1]

I think that spring practices for football are almost surely harmless.  But, I can at least understand why NESCAC schools would be hesitant, because then what do you say if soccer teams want spring practices?  Or lacrosse teams fall practices?  How could you say "no" to them but yes to football?  Then it's a matter of the impact on the athletics budget and also, for many schools, insufficient facilities and/or coaches (many of whom coach multiple sports at NESCAC schools).  So I assume this is more than just being about football, at least for some schools, but rather the overall impact that precedent would set for the athletic program, across the board ...

[mickey12]

What is going on with coaching assistant coaching changes:
OC at Hamilton?
QB Coach at Williams?

[Charlie]

I think that spring practices for football are almost surely harmless.  But, I can at least understand why NESCAC schools would be hesitant, because then what do you say if soccer teams want spring practices?  Or lacrosse teams fall practices?  How could you say "no" to them but yes to football?  Then it's a matter of the impact on the athletics budget and also, for many schools, insufficient facilities and/or coaches (many of whom coach multiple sports at NESCAC schools).  So I assume this is more than just being about football, at least for some schools, but rather the overall impact that precedent would set for the athletic program, across the board ...

I do not agree with your statement. These kids get 9 games thats all soccer  , basketball etc get over 25 games. The reasoning behind this is that NESCAC does not want to fall prey and become football institutions. In addition there is fear that football will become a click type team and prevent social interaction with other kids which is all BS. This is the preliminary answers to this. In terms of Budgets these Coaches all have stated they love spring football. Every school has paid full time Coaches so their salaries do not change. All of these schools have more than enough athletic space room to accommodate spring practices. Let's keep in mind they only have 14 or so practices. If it is an academic issue than whoever is falling behind simple does not participate in spring ball.

[lumbercat]

For some reason a few of the NESACAC programs are perennially delinquent in reporting coaching changes. This is understandable in situations where changes are subject to approvals and delays. However it's pathetic to see Coolby still listing Dugan as OC and Chicoine as DC. These guys left a month ago. No information on who Cosgrove has hired for the 2 Coordinator positions. Maybe still searching?
Seems like they owe recruits and others viewing their website some accurate information on their coaching staff.

From what I can see it looks like Colby and Hamilton have hires in a search process. At least Hamilton shows that OC is "To Be Announced".  Amherst looks to be down 2 coaches despite 2 recent additions to their staff. Maybe these positions are filled but one would think the schools would be more timely in updating their websites especially in situation where coaches have left there employ.

[Jonny Utah]

I think that spring practices for football are almost surely harmless.  But, I can at least understand why NESCAC schools would be hesitant, because then what do you say if soccer teams want spring practices?  Or lacrosse teams fall practices?  How could you say "no" to them but yes to football?  Then it's a matter of the impact on the athletics budget and also, for many schools, insufficient facilities and/or coaches (many of whom coach multiple sports at NESCAC schools).  So I assume this is more than just being about football, at least for some schools, but rather the overall impact that precedent would set for the athletic program, across the board ...

I do not agree with your statement. These kids get 9 games thats all soccer  , basketball etc get over 25 games. The reasoning behind this is that NESCAC does not want to fall prey and become football institutions. In addition there is fear that football will become a click type team and prevent social interaction with other kids which is all BS. This is the preliminary answers to this. In terms of Budgets these Coaches all have stated they love spring football. Every school has paid full time Coaches so their salaries do not change. All of these schools have more than enough athletic space room to accommodate spring practices. Let's keep in mind they only have 14 or so practices. If it is an academic issue than whoever is falling behind simple does not participate in spring ball.

Hasn't lacrosse and baseball always had "fall ball"?

I'm sorry but nearly every high school and definitely college conference has spring football. I don't know why the NESCAC is acting like this is some sort of radical concept. If a player can't manage it with school then I think that says more about the lack of infrastructure in place to support these kids than it does about spring football or any individual kid.

There is no high school spring football in Massachusetts and I assume there is no spring football in any other New England state....

[mickey12]

I'm pretty sure CT has spring ball

[Charlie]

I think that spring practices for football are almost surely harmless.  But, I can at least understand why NESCAC schools would be hesitant, because then what do you say if soccer teams want spring practices?  Or lacrosse teams fall practices?  How could you say "no" to them but yes to football?  Then it's a matter of the impact on the athletics budget and also, for many schools, insufficient facilities and/or coaches (many of whom coach multiple sports at NESCAC schools).  So I assume this is more than just being about football, at least for some schools, but rather the overall impact that precedent would set for the athletic program, across the board ...

I do not agree with your statement. These kids get 9 games thats all soccer  , basketball etc get over 25 games. The reasoning behind this is that NESCAC does not want to fall prey and become football institutions. In addition there is fear that football will become a click type team and prevent social interaction with other kids which is all BS. This is the preliminary answers to this. In terms of Budgets these Coaches all have stated they love spring football. Every school has paid full time Coaches so their salaries do not change. All of these schools have more than enough athletic space room to accommodate spring practices. Let's keep in mind they only have 14 or so practices. If it is an academic issue than whoever is falling behind simple does not participate in spring ball.

Hasn't lacrosse and baseball always had "fall ball"?

I'm sorry but nearly every high school and definitely college conference has spring football. I don't know why the NESCAC is acting like this is some sort of radical concept. If a player can't manage it with school then I think that says more about the lack of infrastructure in place to support these kids than it does about spring football or any individual kid.

There is no high school spring football in Massachusetts and I assume there is no spring football in any other New England state....

So high Schools play 10 + Games , We are not comparing things equally here. There is also a Spring football league that has started fort he last two years that high school players can plain in Massachusetts.We are talking about 14 days of practices for a couple hours. Not tomention every other sport has much longer seasons ,  tournaments etc. It appears that the NESCAC for an odd reason wants to keep its thumb on football. No reason this makes any sense that this should not occur. In addition if a particular school does not want it thats fine they do not have to have spring practices. I just think if a school wants it , the kids want it and they are paying money to attend College are we not responsible for adhering to their wishes since they are paying for this education. If certain schools are for having spring practices they should be allowed.

[NESCACFball24/7]

I think that spring practices for football are almost surely harmless.  But, I can at least understand why NESCAC schools would be hesitant, because then what do you say if soccer teams want spring practices?  Or lacrosse teams fall practices?  How could you say "no" to them but yes to football?  Then it's a matter of the impact on the athletics budget and also, for many schools, insufficient facilities and/or coaches (many of whom coach multiple sports at NESCAC schools).  So I assume this is more than just being about football, at least for some schools, but rather the overall impact that precedent would set for the athletic program, across the board ...

I do not agree with your statement. These kids get 9 games thats all soccer  , basketball etc get over 25 games. The reasoning behind this is that NESCAC does not want to fall prey and become football institutions. In addition there is fear that football will become a click type team and prevent social interaction with other kids which is all BS. This is the preliminary answers to this. In terms of Budgets these Coaches all have stated they love spring football. Every school has paid full time Coaches so their salaries do not change. All of these schools have more than enough athletic space room to accommodate spring practices. Let's keep in mind they only have 14 or so practices. If it is an academic issue than whoever is falling behind simple does not participate in spring ball.

Hasn't lacrosse and baseball always had "fall ball"?

I'm sorry but nearly every high school and definitely college conference has spring football. I don't know why the NESCAC is acting like this is some sort of radical concept. If a player can't manage it with school then I think that says more about the lack of infrastructure in place to support these kids than it does about spring football or any individual kid.

There is no high school spring football in Massachusetts and I assume there is no spring football in any other New England state....

Ok but in the grand scheme of things how does mass stack up in high school football. Maybe top 20? I get what the nescac is trying to prevent but the spring is huge period for development and would make the conference so much more competitive. Just watch what happens this fall, everyone will be better.

[Charlie]

I think that spring practices for football are almost surely harmless.  But, I can at least understand why NESCAC schools would be hesitant, because then what do you say if soccer teams want spring practices?  Or lacrosse teams fall practices?  How could you say "no" to them but yes to football?  Then it's a matter of the impact on the athletics budget and also, for many schools, insufficient facilities and/or coaches (many of whom coach multiple sports at NESCAC schools).  So I assume this is more than just being about football, at least for some schools, but rather the overall impact that precedent would set for the athletic program, across the board ...

I do not agree with your statement. These kids get 9 games thats all soccer  , basketball etc get over 25 games. The reasoning behind this is that NESCAC does not want to fall prey and become football institutions. In addition there is fear that football will become a click type team and prevent social interaction with other kids which is all BS. This is the preliminary answers to this. In terms of Budgets these Coaches all have stated they love spring football. Every school has paid full time Coaches so their salaries do not change. All of these schools have more than enough athletic space room to accommodate spring practices. Let's keep in mind they only have 14 or so practices. If it is an academic issue than whoever is falling behind simple does not participate in spring ball.

Hasn't lacrosse and baseball always had "fall ball"?

I'm sorry but nearly every high school and definitely college conference has spring football. I don't know why the NESCAC is acting like this is some sort of radical concept. If a player can't manage it with school then I think that says more about the lack of infrastructure in place to support these kids than it does about spring football or any individual kid.

There is no high school spring football in Massachusetts and I assume there is no spring football in any other New England state....

Ok but in the grand scheme of things how does mass stack up in high school football. Maybe top 20? I get what the nescac is trying to prevent but the spring is huge period for development and would make the conference so much more competitive. Just watch what happens this fall, everyone will be better.

If they are so against this then why allow Captains practices what is the difference between a practice run by players and having an Coach whom you are paying salary for to be there and supervising with instruction. The entire things sounds stupid.

[Pat Coleman]

If they are so against this then why allow Captains practices what is the difference between a practice run by players and having an Coach whom you are paying salary for to be there and supervising with instruction. The entire things sounds stupid.

One true and real difference is that you need training staff support for an actual practice, and spring is a pretty busy time for sports, especially in the NESCAC.

[Jonny Utah]

I think that spring practices for football are almost surely harmless.  But, I can at least understand why NESCAC schools would be hesitant, because then what do you say if soccer teams want spring practices?  Or lacrosse teams fall practices?  How could you say "no" to them but yes to football?  Then it's a matter of the impact on the athletics budget and also, for many schools, insufficient facilities and/or coaches (many of whom coach multiple sports at NESCAC schools).  So I assume this is more than just being about football, at least for some schools, but rather the overall impact that precedent would set for the athletic program, across the board ...

I do not agree with your statement. These kids get 9 games thats all soccer  , basketball etc get over 25 games. The reasoning behind this is that NESCAC does not want to fall prey and become football institutions. In addition there is fear that football will become a click type team and prevent social interaction with other kids which is all BS. This is the preliminary answers to this. In terms of Budgets these Coaches all have stated they love spring football. Every school has paid full time Coaches so their salaries do not change. All of these schools have more than enough athletic space room to accommodate spring practices. Let's keep in mind they only have 14 or so practices. If it is an academic issue than whoever is falling behind simple does not participate in spring ball.

Hasn't lacrosse and baseball always had "fall ball"?

I'm sorry but nearly every high school and definitely college conference has spring football. I don't know why the NESCAC is acting like this is some sort of radical concept. If a player can't manage it with school then I think that says more about the lack of infrastructure in place to support these kids than it does about spring football or any individual kid.

There is no high school spring football in Massachusetts and I assume there is no spring football in any other New England state....

So high Schools play 10 + Games , We are not comparing things equally here. There is also a Spring football league that has started fort he last two years that high school players can plain in Massachusetts.We are talking about 14 days of practices for a couple hours. Not tomention every other sport has much longer seasons ,  tournaments etc. It appears that the NESCAC for an odd reason wants to keep its thumb on football. No reason this makes any sense that this should not occur. In addition if a particular school does not want it thats fine they do not have to have spring practices. I just think if a school wants it , the kids want it and they are paying money to attend College are we not responsible for adhering to their wishes since they are paying for this education. If certain schools are for having spring practices they should be allowed.

You really do not understand how this conference works do you....

[Charlie]

I think that spring practices for football are almost surely harmless.  But, I can at least understand why NESCAC schools would be hesitant, because then what do you say if soccer teams want spring practices?  Or lacrosse teams fall practices?  How could you say "no" to them but yes to football?  Then it's a matter of the impact on the athletics budget and also, for many schools, insufficient facilities and/or coaches (many of whom coach multiple sports at NESCAC schools).  So I assume this is more than just being about football, at least for some schools, but rather the overall impact that precedent would set for the athletic program, across the board ...

I do not agree with your statement. These kids get 9 games thats all soccer  , basketball etc get over 25 games. The reasoning behind this is that NESCAC does not want to fall prey and become football institutions. In addition there is fear that football will become a click type team and prevent social interaction with other kids which is all BS. This is the preliminary answers to this. In terms of Budgets these Coaches all have stated they love spring football. Every school has paid full time Coaches so their salaries do not change. All of these schools have more than enough athletic space room to accommodate spring practices. Let's keep in mind they only have 14 or so practices. If it is an academic issue than whoever is falling behind simple does not participate in spring ball.

Hasn't lacrosse and baseball always had "fall ball"?

I'm sorry but nearly every high school and definitely college conference has spring football. I don't know why the NESCAC is acting like this is some sort of radical concept. If a player can't manage it with school then I think that says more about the lack of infrastructure in place to support these kids than it does about spring football or any individual kid.

There is no high school spring football in Massachusetts and I assume there is no spring football in any other New England state....

So high Schools play 10 + Games , We are not comparing things equally here. There is also a Spring football league that has started fort he last two years that high school players can plain in Massachusetts.We are talking about 14 days of practices for a couple hours. Not tomention every other sport has much longer seasons ,  tournaments etc. It appears that the NESCAC for an odd reason wants to keep its thumb on football. No reason this makes any sense that this should not occur. In addition if a particular school does not want it thats fine they do not have to have spring practices. I just think if a school wants it , the kids want it and they are paying money to attend College are we not responsible for adhering to their wishes since they are paying for this education. If certain schools are for having spring practices they should be allowed.

You really do not understand how this conference works do you....

Then enlighten us as to what you think the reason is ?

[Jonny Utah]

I think that spring practices for football are almost surely harmless.  But, I can at least understand why NESCAC schools would be hesitant, because then what do you say if soccer teams want spring practices?  Or lacrosse teams fall practices?  How could you say "no" to them but yes to football?  Then it's a matter of the impact on the athletics budget and also, for many schools, insufficient facilities and/or coaches (many of whom coach multiple sports at NESCAC schools).  So I assume this is more than just being about football, at least for some schools, but rather the overall impact that precedent would set for the athletic program, across the board ...

I do not agree with your statement. These kids get 9 games thats all soccer  , basketball etc get over 25 games. The reasoning behind this is that NESCAC does not want to fall prey and become football institutions. In addition there is fear that football will become a click type team and prevent social interaction with other kids which is all BS. This is the preliminary answers to this. In terms of Budgets these Coaches all have stated they love spring football. Every school has paid full time Coaches so their salaries do not change. All of these schools have more than enough athletic space room to accommodate spring practices. Let's keep in mind they only have 14 or so practices. If it is an academic issue than whoever is falling behind simple does not participate in spring ball.

Hasn't lacrosse and baseball always had "fall ball"?

I'm sorry but nearly every high school and definitely college conference has spring football. I don't know why the NESCAC is acting like this is some sort of radical concept. If a player can't manage it with school then I think that says more about the lack of infrastructure in place to support these kids than it does about spring football or any individual kid.

There is no high school spring football in Massachusetts and I assume there is no spring football in any other New England state....

So high Schools play 10 + Games , We are not comparing things equally here. There is also a Spring football league that has started fort he last two years that high school players can plain in Massachusetts.We are talking about 14 days of practices for a couple hours. Not tomention every other sport has much longer seasons ,  tournaments etc. It appears that the NESCAC for an odd reason wants to keep its thumb on football. No reason this makes any sense that this should not occur. In addition if a particular school does not want it thats fine they do not have to have spring practices. I just think if a school wants it , the kids want it and they are paying money to attend College are we not responsible for adhering to their wishes since they are paying for this education. If certain schools are for having spring practices they should be allowed.

You really do not understand how this conference works do you....

Then enlighten us as to what you think the reason is ?

Because they aren't going to let one team practice just because "they want to". The league sets rules and everyone has to abide by them.  In fact, this is pretty standard for pretty much every league, let alone one that prides itself on academics first or something like that.