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[Charlie]

Which two Williams guys, Charlie?  I assume bit Ed is one.  The QB from the Kent school also seems like a big wildcard with some definite talent.  Campbell Pang, Brendan Guy, and Sam Jaffe also look like interesting recruits.  Ephs went heavy in the trenches this year, not a ton of skill guys.

They have two good skill guys they picked up which I liked and the DL who is raw is a real gem out of Nobles. Kid could be a beast up front on DL. If he learns this year from the guys that are there this kid could be a stud. They also added another one his name escapes me. Again though a great deal is going to depend on Coaching at Williams a great of them deal have moved on and loosing Coach Blu is going to hurt although they still have Coach Hennessey.

[nescac1]

Gotcha.  I meant to write "Big Ed," and yeah, he is the DL out of Nobles who seems like he could be force down the line.  The Ephs are absolutely loaded in the two-deep at DL next year, so he certainly has plenty of time to get coached up.  I don't think anyone who is not a D1-level guy is gonna crack that two-deep as a frosh.  Oris and McGrail are two skill guys who look like they might be interesting, two, as well as Mazzacco, a QB out of NJ who will surely be converted to DB or WR. 

[LochNescac]

My strong suspicion is that not all of the "offers" trumpeted by recruits on Twitter are indefinite.  I would think some guys are told "if you say yes now, you have a spot, but if you don't and we fill the spot, the offer won't necessarily remain open," or something to that effect.

Got It

One great question leading up to opening week is which school had best recruiting class of 2026 and of these recruits which should make the most impact. This should keep the discussion lively. This is my initial pic for recruiting class.

1. Trinity.     - Stud recruits at varying positions
2. Williams   - Predicated on two kids
3. Tufts.       - Three solid recruits and 3 above Average
4. Colby       - I like 4 of their recruits could be solid
5. Wesleyan. - Always has good recruiting but I think Coaching has curtailed
                      development
6.Middlebury - Decent Recruit class missed on a few I think they wanted
7 Amherst     - The same as Middlebury some good picks some duds
8 Hamilton.   - One or two good recruits but the rest marginal players
9 Bowdoin     - Coach Hammer trying his best but sadly academically this school cant
                       seem to attract top prospects. It is almost to the point where if a
                       recruit gets offered there they use as leverage knowing they can play
                       at any NESCAC. Which will keep them bottom feeders in league.

Again this is why they play the games !

Good breakdown of Williams....thoughts on the top recruits at the other schools in your top four or five?

Who are the guys that caught your interest?

(Is Bates outside the top 9...?? )

[jmcozenlaw]

I respectfully disagree with you jmc and nescac1. I do not want to make a mountain out of a mole hill (haha), but if it were one of your guys at Del-Val/Swarthmore/Williams you would be annoyed. Again, it is meaningless and it will all be settled on the field starting in 50 days.

Nah, in the scheme of life, at my age, that would rank pretty low on the "annoying list".

Now, if the uber and uber-uber libs at my beloved Swarthmore would like to do an about face and make up for their sins of the now distant past and not stick their nose where it doesn't and never did belong.........and bring back football.........I'll let the kid running that website make mistakes all day long!!:)

You are right though mole, it will play itself out of the field soon........although Baylor, Mount Ohio State Union, Wisconsin or North Dakota Central will probably win it all yet again........which is why I take the conference championship as the #1 goal every year........with every and anything else being gravy.

[Charlie]

My strong suspicion is that not all of the "offers" trumpeted by recruits on Twitter are indefinite.  I would think some guys are told "if you say yes now, you have a spot, but if you don't and we fill the spot, the offer won't necessarily remain open," or something to that effect.

Got It

One great question leading up to opening week is which school had best recruiting class of 2026 and of these recruits which should make the most impact. This should keep the discussion lively. This is my initial pic for recruiting class.

1. Trinity.     - Stud recruits at varying positions
2. Williams   - Predicated on two kids
3. Tufts.       - Three solid recruits and 3 above Average
4. Colby       - I like 4 of their recruits could be solid
5. Wesleyan. - Always has good recruiting but I think Coaching has curtailed
                      development
6.Middlebury - Decent Recruit class missed on a few I think they wanted
7 Amherst     - The same as Middlebury some good picks some duds
8 Hamilton.   - One or two good recruits but the rest marginal players
9 Bowdoin     - Coach Hammer trying his best but sadly academically this school cant
                       seem to attract top prospects. It is almost to the point where if a
                       recruit gets offered there they use as leverage knowing they can play
                       at any NESCAC. Which will keep them bottom feeders in league.

Again this is why they play the games !

Good breakdown of Williams....thoughts on the top recruits at the other schools in your top four or five?

Who are the guys that caught your interest?

(Is Bates outside the top 9...?? )

Bates and Coach Coyne's hands were tied having come in so late they really stocked up on bodies not a great talent pool for them to choose from. Thats why did not make the list.

Love Trinity's recruit class two great Slot receivers from LS & Scituate. One tall WR from Georgia who looks to be the next Girard. The landed The pass Rush Specialist who broke the state sack record. However they also have a few others on defense that were solid players in High school. Picked up a QB who has good arm but needs development.

Tufts also had a good recruit class. Picked up some players from Georgia and CA who could be impact players. recruited a good kicker that cost them a few games last year. The hard Judge with Tufts though is how they are coached. Not a big fan of this staff. Not a fan of new DC Tufts concept about spring recruitment around the globe and diversifying is nice. However you need a Coaches to bring it all together not sure that is assembled at Tufts. However time will tell this year. They have some dynamic players returning perhaps a QB battle and some weapons. If they dont win not sure how long a leash will be given to staff.

Colby in addition had some good recruits for this year a few taken away by Trinity but still landed some athletes. I like the two OL they recruited solid guys who hit the weight room and could bolster that OL. I think they missed on a few skilled position players they wanted and a pass rusher that ended up choosing Trinity. Colby as well going through coaching staff changes. I do not know how that will pan out and again is his Cosgroves last year ?

Wesleyan is the wildcard team. Tons of returning talent and picked up some skilled WR/RB they did not recruit well on defense and understandably so as most of the staff left. Big internal strife between defense an offense on this team last year. Coach Coyne really had the team playing well. The team held trinity to 14 Points last year and were in the Williams game for awhile. You cant win unless you score. The Coaching changes and the fact that you also lost Coach Stanley make me feel like this will be another under performing year for the cardinals. 

[NESCACFball24/7]

@charlie what about the new Tufts DC is such a turn off for you? From what I've heard they're expecting the defense to possibly better than their offense this coming year with a lot of that attributed  to the new DC.

[Charlie]

@charlie what about the new Tufts DC is such a turn off for you? From what I've heard they're expecting the defense to possibly better than their offense this coming year with a lot of that attributed  to the new DC.

When I look at a Coaches resume the things you ask yourself are what direction are they going. Most of the young coaches will do an internship to really see if they like coaching and have the ability to teach. The natural progression is to move from Intern to an assistant Coach then to a specific position coach than to coordinators job. If you are good then a HC job somewhere. When you look at his resume it is intern at the pro level and could not land with a team. I get it this is hard so you go D1 start at Duke as an assistant Coach for a few years then a lateral move to Eastern Illinois for same position for one year. Then back to Duke to take an assistant to HC and defensive quality control. Which means he spent most of his time in film room breaking down film and not actually coaching.

However I was fortunate to watch a practice this last spring at Tufts. While watching I focused on the defense and noticed lack of reps , instruction  , skill development and overall standing around. The atmosphere seemed to focus on the rah rah aspect of football rather than the technical specifics to make these kids better.

My bottom line perception is that this coach has never had a DC job before and taking a huge step down not only in pay but from developing as a Coach. I do not think going from D1 to D3 is an advancement in a Coaching career. In addition many schemes that exist at the D1 level won't work at the D3 level because of the talent pool. A coach must know their personal and adapt a defensive scheme around the size and talent of that group. The focus that I observed was more of a cheerleader capacity and rah rah football. This'll not take you far as a Coach I am afraid.

[nescac1]

If Tufts' defense -- which was among the worst in the conference last year, and seems to lose a lot of key players to graduation (unless a whole bunch of guys are taking fifth years) is indeed better than Tufts' offense -- which was mostly fantastic last year, despite playing three different QBs due to injuries, and has nearly all of its key players back -- that would be remarkable, and also scary for the rest of the league ...

[nescac1]

Preview of Bowdoin and Colby in this article ... both are (justifiably in my view) optimistic about their trajectories. 

https://www.centralmaine.com/2022/08/01/college-football-notebook-cosgrove-colby-set-sights-on-breakout-season-in-2022/

[LochNescac]

My strong suspicion is that not all of the "offers" trumpeted by recruits on Twitter are indefinite.  I would think some guys are told "if you say yes now, you have a spot, but if you don't and we fill the spot, the offer won't necessarily remain open," or something to that effect.

Got It

One great question leading up to opening week is which school had best recruiting class of 2026 and of these recruits which should make the most impact. This should keep the discussion lively. This is my initial pic for recruiting class.

1. Trinity.     - Stud recruits at varying positions
2. Williams   - Predicated on two kids
3. Tufts.       - Three solid recruits and 3 above Average
4. Colby       - I like 4 of their recruits could be solid
5. Wesleyan. - Always has good recruiting but I think Coaching has curtailed
                      development
6.Middlebury - Decent Recruit class missed on a few I think they wanted
7 Amherst     - The same as Middlebury some good picks some duds
8 Hamilton.   - One or two good recruits but the rest marginal players
9 Bowdoin     - Coach Hammer trying his best but sadly academically this school cant
                       seem to attract top prospects. It is almost to the point where if a
                       recruit gets offered there they use as leverage knowing they can play
                       at any NESCAC. Which will keep them bottom feeders in league.

Again this is why they play the games !

Good breakdown of Williams....thoughts on the top recruits at the other schools in your top four or five?

Who are the guys that caught your interest?

(Is Bates outside the top 9...?? )

Bates and Coach Coyne's hands were tied having come in so late they really stocked up on bodies not a great talent pool for them to choose from. Thats why did not make the list.

Love Trinity's recruit class two great Slot receivers from LS & Scituate. One tall WR from Georgia who looks to be the next Girard. The landed The pass Rush Specialist who broke the state sack record. However they also have a few others on defense that were solid players in High school. Picked up a QB who has good arm but needs development.

Tufts also had a good recruit class. Picked up some players from Georgia and CA who could be impact players. recruited a good kicker that cost them a few games last year. The hard Judge with Tufts though is how they are coached. Not a big fan of this staff. Not a fan of new DC Tufts concept about spring recruitment around the globe and diversifying is nice. However you need a Coaches to bring it all together not sure that is assembled at Tufts. However time will tell this year. They have some dynamic players returning perhaps a QB battle and some weapons. If they dont win not sure how long a leash will be given to staff.

Colby in addition had some good recruits for this year a few taken away by Trinity but still landed some athletes. I like the two OL they recruited solid guys who hit the weight room and could bolster that OL. I think they missed on a few skilled position players they wanted and a pass rusher that ended up choosing Trinity. Colby as well going through coaching staff changes. I do not know how that will pan out and again is his Cosgroves last year ?

Wesleyan is the wildcard team. Tons of returning talent and picked up some skilled WR/RB they did not recruit well on defense and understandably so as most of the staff left. Big internal strife between defense an offense on this team last year. Coach Coyne really had the team playing well. The team held trinity to 14 Points last year and were in the Williams game for awhile. You cant win unless you score. The Coaching changes and the fact that you also lost Coach Stanley make me feel like this will be another under performing year for the cardinals.

Good takes....love the insight.   Should be interesting with regard to those top 4-5 recruiting classes....some pretty damn good players when ya dig into their senior year stats...very telling !!

[Scoops]

Charlie what is your obsession with Joe Toyas and the MA sack record? The kid put up good numbers against bad teams in a comparatively mediocre league. If he had done that in the Catholic league or the ISL, then maybe you would have a point. But that's a pretty empty record if you know anything about Mass football. His only offer looks to be from Trinity, so nobody else in the league or elsewhere even wanted the kid. That speaks volumes to me. Maybe pump the brakes on throwing him out there as some "crown jewel" in recruiting there, bud.

My strong suspicion is that not all of the "offers" trumpeted by recruits on Twitter are indefinite.  I would think some guys are told "if you say yes now, you have a spot, but if you don't and we fill the spot, the offer won't necessarily remain open," or something to that effect.

Got It

One great question leading up to opening week is which school had best recruiting class of 2026 and of these recruits which should make the most impact. This should keep the discussion lively. This is my initial pic for recruiting class.

1. Trinity.     - Stud recruits at varying positions
2. Williams   - Predicated on two kids
3. Tufts.       - Three solid recruits and 3 above Average
4. Colby       - I like 4 of their recruits could be solid
5. Wesleyan. - Always has good recruiting but I think Coaching has curtailed
                      development
6.Middlebury - Decent Recruit class missed on a few I think they wanted
7 Amherst     - The same as Middlebury some good picks some duds
8 Hamilton.   - One or two good recruits but the rest marginal players
9 Bowdoin     - Coach Hammer trying his best but sadly academically this school cant
                       seem to attract top prospects. It is almost to the point where if a
                       recruit gets offered there they use as leverage knowing they can play
                       at any NESCAC. Which will keep them bottom feeders in league.

Again this is why they play the games !

Good breakdown of Williams....thoughts on the top recruits at the other schools in your top four or five?

Who are the guys that caught your interest?

(Is Bates outside the top 9...?? )

Bates and Coach Coyne's hands were tied having come in so late they really stocked up on bodies not a great talent pool for them to choose from. Thats why did not make the list.

Love Trinity's recruit class two great Slot receivers from LS & Scituate. One tall WR from Georgia who looks to be the next Girard. The landed The pass Rush Specialist who broke the state sack record. However they also have a few others on defense that were solid players in High school. Picked up a QB who has good arm but needs development.

Tufts also had a good recruit class. Picked up some players from Georgia and CA who could be impact players. recruited a good kicker that cost them a few games last year. The hard Judge with Tufts though is how they are coached. Not a big fan of this staff. Not a fan of new DC Tufts concept about spring recruitment around the globe and diversifying is nice. However you need a Coaches to bring it all together not sure that is assembled at Tufts. However time will tell this year. They have some dynamic players returning perhaps a QB battle and some weapons. If they dont win not sure how long a leash will be given to staff.

Colby in addition had some good recruits for this year a few taken away by Trinity but still landed some athletes. I like the two OL they recruited solid guys who hit the weight room and could bolster that OL. I think they missed on a few skilled position players they wanted and a pass rusher that ended up choosing Trinity. Colby as well going through coaching staff changes. I do not know how that will pan out and again is his Cosgroves last year ?

Wesleyan is the wildcard team. Tons of returning talent and picked up some skilled WR/RB they did not recruit well on defense and understandably so as most of the staff left. Big internal strife between defense an offense on this team last year. Coach Coyne really had the team playing well. The team held trinity to 14 Points last year and were in the Williams game for awhile. You cant win unless you score. The Coaching changes and the fact that you also lost Coach Stanley make me feel like this will be another under performing year for the cardinals.

[Jonny Utah]

I'm 100% sure no one is keeping track of sack statistics in Massachusetts.  Who is this kid we are talking about here?

[Charlie]

Charlie what is your obsession with Joe Toyas and the MA sack record? The kid put up good numbers against bad teams in a comparatively mediocre league. If he had done that in the Catholic league or the ISL, then maybe you would have a point. But that's a pretty empty record if you know anything about Mass football. His only offer looks to be from Trinity, so nobody else in the league or elsewhere even wanted the kid. That speaks volumes to me. Maybe pump the brakes on throwing him out there as some "crown jewel" in recruiting there, bud.

My strong suspicion is that not all of the "offers" trumpeted by recruits on Twitter are indefinite.  I would think some guys are told "if you say yes now, you have a spot, but if you don't and we fill the spot, the offer won't necessarily remain open," or something to that effect.

Got It

One great question leading up to opening week is which school had best recruiting class of 2026 and of these recruits which should make the most impact. This should keep the discussion lively. This is my initial pic for recruiting class.

1. Trinity.     - Stud recruits at varying positions
2. Williams   - Predicated on two kids
3. Tufts.       - Three solid recruits and 3 above Average
4. Colby       - I like 4 of their recruits could be solid
5. Wesleyan. - Always has good recruiting but I think Coaching has curtailed
                      development
6.Middlebury - Decent Recruit class missed on a few I think they wanted
7 Amherst     - The same as Middlebury some good picks some duds
8 Hamilton.   - One or two good recruits but the rest marginal players
9 Bowdoin     - Coach Hammer trying his best but sadly academically this school cant
                       seem to attract top prospects. It is almost to the point where if a
                       recruit gets offered there they use as leverage knowing they can play
                       at any NESCAC. Which will keep them bottom feeders in league.

Again this is why they play the games !

Good breakdown of Williams....thoughts on the top recruits at the other schools in your top four or five?

Who are the guys that caught your interest?

(Is Bates outside the top 9...?? )

Bates and Coach Coyne's hands were tied having come in so late they really stocked up on bodies not a great talent pool for them to choose from. Thats why did not make the list.

Love Trinity's recruit class two great Slot receivers from LS & Scituate. One tall WR from Georgia who looks to be the next Girard. The landed The pass Rush Specialist who broke the state sack record. However they also have a few others on defense that were solid players in High school. Picked up a QB who has good arm but needs development.

Tufts also had a good recruit class. Picked up some players from Georgia and CA who could be impact players. recruited a good kicker that cost them a few games last year. The hard Judge with Tufts though is how they are coached. Not a big fan of this staff. Not a fan of new DC Tufts concept about spring recruitment around the globe and diversifying is nice. However you need a Coaches to bring it all together not sure that is assembled at Tufts. However time will tell this year. They have some dynamic players returning perhaps a QB battle and some weapons. If they dont win not sure how long a leash will be given to staff.

Colby in addition had some good recruits for this year a few taken away by Trinity but still landed some athletes. I like the two OL they recruited solid guys who hit the weight room and could bolster that OL. I think they missed on a few skilled position players they wanted and a pass rusher that ended up choosing Trinity. Colby as well going through coaching staff changes. I do not know how that will pan out and again is his Cosgroves last year ?

Wesleyan is the wildcard team. Tons of returning talent and picked up some skilled WR/RB they did not recruit well on defense and understandably so as most of the staff left. Big internal strife between defense an offense on this team last year. Coach Coyne really had the team playing well. The team held trinity to 14 Points last year and were in the Williams game for awhile. You cant win unless you score. The Coaching changes and the fact that you also lost Coach Stanley make me feel like this will be another under performing year for the cardinals.

This is where you are misinformed. He was offered by Bentley , Pace  , Stonehill and University Of New Haven all D2 schools. In NESCAC he was also offered by Wesleyan. In terms of playing I have seen many recruits play in the ISL and Catholic league who do not develop at the College level. I understand what you are saying and I am not saying he is going to be the next Dwight Freeney. But lets give a player props when you break the State record for sacks kind of tells me your going to productive at the next level. In addition if you look at my statement he is not the only recruits I thought were going to be standouts at Trinity but again this is all conjecture thats why they play the games.

[SpringSt7]

Worked out pretty well for Maimaron

[Charlie]

Worked out pretty well for Maimaron

Exactly and he played Division 4 High School. The kid I am speaking of played D1 however I will agree not a football pedigree school. Lets also keep in mind that this is D3 ball not D1. Despite Maimaron accomplishments I do not think he would have ever seen the field at the D1 level possibly D2. Again this is all speculation but statistics are impressive.