FB: New England Small College Athletic Conference

[SpringSt7]

Weird state of affairs these days but saying Colby will finish above Williams in the standings is not even close to a bold prediction. Especially if this is the play Colby is getting at QB with Drake out

[lumbercat]

Watched Bowdoin Tufts game. Tufts dominated the the game but I couldn't believe how Bowdoin left Boel in the game in passing mode when was it raining like hell and Bowdoin had no chance of winning. Tufts was just teeing off on Boel. Didn't think the kid was gonna to get up. No way a coach should leave a kid in the game they cant win and continue to try and throw the ball in those circumstances when his QB is getting lit up. Boel should have been on the bench. He's not a big kid, he will be sore in the morning but hope they didn't get him hurt.

[D3FLETCH]

Watched Bowdoin Tufts game. Tufts dominated the the game but I couldn't believe how Bowdoin left Boel in the game in passing mode when was it raining like hell and Bowdoin had no chance of winning. Tufts was just teeing off on Boel. Didn't think the kid was gonna to get up. No way a coach should leave a kid in the game they cant win and continue to try and throw the ball in those circumstances when his QB is getting lit up. Boel should have been on the bench. He's not a big kid, he will be sore in the morning but hope they didn't get him hurt.

2 score game with 5 minutes left. Time to pull Boel?

[jmcozenlaw]

First of all, I didn't raise the topic of ranking of coaches. I'm merely responding to your assessment. And your words were "almost any of the current coaches" would achieve similar results to Devanney if placed in a similar situation. That's odd since you also said "I'm not really bowled over by any NESCAC coaches".

But somehow these coaches, whom have not earned your respect, would still manage to win at such a historic rate that they would rank among the top seven college football coaches of all time at any level?


Also, you must have missed it but Trinity already played Amherst. The Bantams won 49-0.

I responded to your post directed at me and my opinion of Jeff Devanney. Doesn't matter what started the conversation- you addressed me and I responded.

Yup, I missed the Amherst game but let's have your home movie one more time. Ugh

You're part of the best program in NESCAC history- take a breather, please. No one is saying you guys are not great.

Lumber, the irony of all ironies is that he draws a paycheck from Wesleyan....must kill him every two weeks. No blue and gold rep ties at the office in Middletown, we're afraid. BTW, when we read Hs9-0's posts, for some reason it's in the voice of Tucker Carlson. 

Although it could be worse, it could be in the voice of Don Lemon, Anderson Cooper or Morning Joe.........and their multiple pronouns/personalities. THAT is scarier!! )

[The Mole]

Lumber,

Please elaborate on this comment: "Form my perspective, having seen them only  twice now this year it looks like Wes has just lost a lot to graduation/transfer and the QB position is not quite at the same talent level as the QB predecessors. Big shoes to fill in Middletown this year."

Because the WR, DL and QB production has been fine. I would be glad to provide statistics to counter your statement. but please share specifics.

[lumbercat]

Better team last year with more talent at skill positions. Last years team would have put that game away earlier but if they did have to go to OT they would execute a lot better.
Good team this year but not as good as last in terms of playmakers. This years Cards are good team but as I said, tough shoes to fill.

[The Mole]

Good clickbait Lumber, and I will bite-you are completely wrong about talent at skill positions. Anyone as individually talented as Tomlinson, no. Has the production dropped off? No, it is actually better considering there are 5 games left. Last year: Simco 36-527-2, Tomlinson 72-979-10. That is a combined 108-1,506-12. Through 4 games this year: Wilson 24-346-7, Elkhoury 27-357-2, Kennedy 6-129-1 for a combined 57-832-10 with 5 games to go. Collectively a more productive WR group.

Last year Estevez: 1,146 pass yards 10 TDs 2 INTs and 372 rushing yards 2 TDs
Last year Candido: 1,235 pass yards, 9 TDs and 5 INTs and 6 yards rushing 1 TD
This year Candido after 4 games: 1093 pass yards 12 TDs 2 INTS and 95 yards rushing

After 4 games Wesleyan offense #3 ppg with 25 and #3 YPG with 380, 5th in rush YPG 105 and #3 pass YPG 274
After 4 games Wesleyan defense #4 ppg with 18 and #2 YPG with 249, 2nd rush YPG 74 and #3 pass YPG 175

Lots of plays being made on both sides of the ball and those shoes are being filled.

Better team last year with more talent at skill positions. Last years team would have put that game away earlier but if they did have to go to OT they would execute a lot better.
Good team this year but not as good as last in terms of playmakers. This years Cards are good team but as I said, tough shoes to fill.

[lumbercat]

Good clickbait Lumber, and I will bite-you are completely wrong about talent at skill positions. Anyone as individually talented as Tomlinson, no. Has the production dropped off? No, it is actually better considering there are 5 games left. Last year: Simco 36-527-2, Tomlinson 72-979-10. That is a combined 108-1,506-12. Through 4 games this year: Wilson 24-346-7, Elkhoury 27-357-2, Kennedy 6-129-1 for a combined 57-832-10 with 5 games to go. Collectively a more productive WR group.

Last year Estevez: 1,146 pass yards 10 TDs 2 INTs and 372 rushing yards 2 TDs
Last year Candido: 1,235 pass yards, 9 TDs and 5 INTs and 6 yards rushing 1 TD
This year Candido after 4 games: 1093 pass yards 12 TDs 2 INTS and 95 yards rushing

After 4 games Wesleyan offense #3 ppg with 25 and #3 YPG with 380, 5th in rush YPG 105 and #3 pass YPG 274
After 4 games Wesleyan defense #4 ppg with 18 and #2 YPG with 249, 2nd rush YPG 74 and #3 pass YPG 175

Lots of plays being made on both sides of the ball and those shoes are being filled.

Better team last year with more talent at skill positions. Last years team would have put that game away earlier but if they did have to go to OT they would execute a lot better.
Good team this year but not as good as last in terms of playmakers. This years Cards are good team but as I said, tough shoes to fill.

I don't care about stats against Bates, Hamilton, Middlebury and Colby. Lets revisit that after 9 games.
Last years team was more talented, significantly. They would not have lost that game.

[Charlie]

Good clickbait Lumber, and I will bite-you are completely wrong about talent at skill positions. Anyone as individually talented as Tomlinson, no. Has the production dropped off? No, it is actually better considering there are 5 games left. Last year: Simco 36-527-2, Tomlinson 72-979-10. That is a combined 108-1,506-12. Through 4 games this year: Wilson 24-346-7, Elkhoury 27-357-2, Kennedy 6-129-1 for a combined 57-832-10 with 5 games to go. Collectively a more productive WR group.

Last year Estevez: 1,146 pass yards 10 TDs 2 INTs and 372 rushing yards 2 TDs
Last year Candido: 1,235 pass yards, 9 TDs and 5 INTs and 6 yards rushing 1 TD
This year Candido after 4 games: 1093 pass yards 12 TDs 2 INTS and 95 yards rushing

After 4 games Wesleyan offense #3 ppg with 25 and #3 YPG with 380, 5th in rush YPG 105 and #3 pass YPG 274
After 4 games Wesleyan defense #4 ppg with 18 and #2 YPG with 249, 2nd rush YPG 74 and #3 pass YPG 175

Lots of plays being made on both sides of the ball and those shoes are being filled.

Better team last year with more talent at skill positions. Last years team would have put that game away earlier but if they did have to go to OT they would execute a lot better.
Good team this year but not as good as last in terms of playmakers. This years Cards are good team but as I said, tough shoes to fill.

I don't care about stats against Bates, Hamilton, Middlebury and Colby. Lets revisit that after 9 games.
Last years team was more talented, significantly. They would not have lost that game.

I also think after seeing them twice this year that size wise they are significantly smaller then in past years. Colby DL was putting great pressure on Wesleyan with only 3 DL. There was no push on either on the defensive side and Wesleyan starting a few freshman defensively which does not bode well for there past recruiting efforts. So there is merit to your statements.

[lumbercat]

Good clickbait Lumber, and I will bite-you are completely wrong about talent at skill positions. Anyone as individually talented as Tomlinson, no. Has the production dropped off? No, it is actually better considering there are 5 games left. Last year: Simco 36-527-2, Tomlinson 72-979-10. That is a combined 108-1,506-12. Through 4 games this year: Wilson 24-346-7, Elkhoury 27-357-2, Kennedy 6-129-1 for a combined 57-832-10 with 5 games to go. Collectively a more productive WR group.

Last year Estevez: 1,146 pass yards 10 TDs 2 INTs and 372 rushing yards 2 TDs
Last year Candido: 1,235 pass yards, 9 TDs and 5 INTs and 6 yards rushing 1 TD
This year Candido after 4 games: 1093 pass yards 12 TDs 2 INTS and 95 yards rushing

After 4 games Wesleyan offense #3 ppg with 25 and #3 YPG with 380, 5th in rush YPG 105 and #3 pass YPG 274
After 4 games Wesleyan defense #4 ppg with 18 and #2 YPG with 249, 2nd rush YPG 74 and #3 pass YPG 175

Lots of plays being made on both sides of the ball and those shoes are being filled.

Better team last year with more talent at skill positions. Last years team would have put that game away earlier but if they did have to go to OT they would execute a lot better.
Good team this year but not as good as last in terms of playmakers. This years Cards are good team but as I said, tough shoes to fill.

LUMBERCAT WROTE:
I don't care about stats against Bates, Hamilton, Middlebury and Colby. Let's revisit that after 9 games.
Last years team was more talented, significantly. They would not have lost that game.

Charlie wrote:
I also think after seeing them twice this year that size wise they are significantly smaller than in past years. Colby DL was putting great pressure on Wesleyan with only 3 DL. There was no push on either on the defensive side and Wesleyan starting a few freshman defensively which does not bode well for there past recruiting efforts. So there is merit to your statements.

[The Mole]

"Last years team was more talented, significantly. They would not have lost that game."

Again, more blanket statements with no specificity. Last years team lost to Bowdoin and Middlebury (on paper less talented squads). Last years team had perfect weather all season long, this year all 4 games in rainy conditions. Dynamics of each team year by year change. I know you are upset that Bates is 0-4. Does last years team go 0-4? You have no idea.

Could they have played better? Yes. Does Colby deserve credit? Yes. Did they have chances to still win the game? Yes.

Fake News/alternative facts, whatever you want to call it. Stop spewing it.

[The Mole]

No push on defense: 6 sacks and 82 yards rushing. Two starting DL were out hurt. If anything, it points to good recruiting seeing young players get their chance.

Chuck, they were rushing 3 and spying the QB with a LB. They had a good game plan and clogged the quick passing lanes so QB was tucking and running.

Thanks for watching

Good clickbait Lumber, and I will bite-you are completely wrong about talent at skill positions. Anyone as individually talented as Tomlinson, no. Has the production dropped off? No, it is actually better considering there are 5 games left. Last year: Simco 36-527-2, Tomlinson 72-979-10. That is a combined 108-1,506-12. Through 4 games this year: Wilson 24-346-7, Elkhoury 27-357-2, Kennedy 6-129-1 for a combined 57-832-10 with 5 games to go. Collectively a more productive WR group.

Last year Estevez: 1,146 pass yards 10 TDs 2 INTs and 372 rushing yards 2 TDs
Last year Candido: 1,235 pass yards, 9 TDs and 5 INTs and 6 yards rushing 1 TD
This year Candido after 4 games: 1093 pass yards 12 TDs 2 INTS and 95 yards rushing

After 4 games Wesleyan offense #3 ppg with 25 and #3 YPG with 380, 5th in rush YPG 105 and #3 pass YPG 274
After 4 games Wesleyan defense #4 ppg with 18 and #2 YPG with 249, 2nd rush YPG 74 and #3 pass YPG 175

Lots of plays being made on both sides of the ball and those shoes are being filled.

Better team last year with more talent at skill positions. Last years team would have put that game away earlier but if they did have to go to OT they would execute a lot better.
Good team this year but not as good as last in terms of playmakers. This years Cards are good team but as I said, tough shoes to fill.

I don't care about stats against Bates, Hamilton, Middlebury and Colby. Lets revisit that after 9 games.
Last years team was more talented, significantly. They would not have lost that game.

I also think after seeing them twice this year that size wise they are significantly smaller then in past years. Colby DL was putting great pressure on Wesleyan with only 3 DL. There was no push on either on the defensive side and Wesleyan starting a few freshman defensively which does not bode well for there past recruiting efforts. So there is merit to your statements.

[Charlie]

No push on defense: 6 sacks and 82 yards rushing. Two starting DL were out hurt. If anything, it points to good recruiting seeing young players get their chance.

Chuck, they were rushing 3 and spying the QB with a LB. They had a good game plan and clogged the quick passing lanes so QB was tucking and running.

Thanks for watching

Good clickbait Lumber, and I will bite-you are completely wrong about talent at skill positions. Anyone as individually talented as Tomlinson, no. Has the production dropped off? No, it is actually better considering there are 5 games left. Last year: Simco 36-527-2, Tomlinson 72-979-10. That is a combined 108-1,506-12. Through 4 games this year: Wilson 24-346-7, Elkhoury 27-357-2, Kennedy 6-129-1 for a combined 57-832-10 with 5 games to go. Collectively a more productive WR group.

Last year Estevez: 1,146 pass yards 10 TDs 2 INTs and 372 rushing yards 2 TDs
Last year Candido: 1,235 pass yards, 9 TDs and 5 INTs and 6 yards rushing 1 TD
This year Candido after 4 games: 1093 pass yards 12 TDs 2 INTS and 95 yards rushing

After 4 games Wesleyan offense #3 ppg with 25 and #3 YPG with 380, 5th in rush YPG 105 and #3 pass YPG 274
After 4 games Wesleyan defense #4 ppg with 18 and #2 YPG with 249, 2nd rush YPG 74 and #3 pass YPG 175

Lots of plays being made on both sides of the ball and those shoes are being filled.

Better team last year with more talent at skill positions. Last years team would have put that game away earlier but if they did have to go to OT they would execute a lot better.
Good team this year but not as good as last in terms of playmakers. This years Cards are good team but as I said, tough shoes to fill.

I don't care about stats against Bates, Hamilton, Middlebury and Colby. Lets revisit that after 9 games.
Last years team was more talented, significantly. They would not have lost that game.

I also think after seeing them twice this year that size wise they are significantly smaller then in past years. Colby DL was putting great pressure on Wesleyan with only 3 DL. There was no push on either on the defensive side and Wesleyan starting a few freshman defensively which does not bode well for there past recruiting efforts. So there is merit to your statements.

You just proved my point they Colby rushed three and put pressure on QB and used a LB to spy. The fact that they have 5 OL to block 3 and could not do so is mind boggling. At the end of the game they had to leave RB to help out with defensive pass rush. At the end of the half the QB rolled out for a hail Mary and was sacked by opposite side DE not sure what you were watching.

Defensively those are very quiet stats not so sure about validity if they are accurate as I said very quiet stats.

[The Mole]

What is a quiet stat? Anyway, there is something called a BOXSCORE that you can actually look up. I know you are challenged technologically, so I have provided it for you below.

I know you are happy that we loosed the game.

https://athletics.wesleyan.edu/sports/football/stats/2023/colby/boxscore/25722

[Charlie]

What is a quiet stat? Anyway, there is something called a BOXSCORE that you can actually look up. I know you are challenged technologically, so I have provided it for you below.

I know you are happy that we loosed the game.

https://athletics.wesleyan.edu/sports/football/stats/2023/colby/boxscore/25722

No I am not happy about it I personally think that every time a team has to travel that distance always an advantage for home team. Wesleyan historically has struggled on the ME trips always close games. This one happens to be played in rain which also did not help. However not taking anything away from Colby as you eluded to great game plan. One thing I will say about HC Cosgrove he has his teams playing hard and they have good game plans. Wesleyan just happened to be on the short end this week.

The stats appeared quiet because the Colby DL appeared more dominant from a visual perspective.