FB: New England Small College Athletic Conference

[GroundandPound]

https://nescac.com/stats.aspx?path=football&year=2023

A simple and more accurate method of calculating offensive scoring per game and defensive points allowed per game should be followed.
For example, NESCAC stats list a team's offense as scoring 183 points in 7 games averaging 26.1 points per game.
That team's offense, however, has only scored 153 points because its defense, amazingly, has five touchdowns from interceptions.
In reality, that team's offense is averaging 21.8 points per game not 26.1 points per game.
One could argue that the defense deprived the offense of scoring opportunities and yardage opportunities by making so many darn good defensive plays.
That may be so, however, the reality and truth of the matter is that the offense did not score those points, and should not be credited with scoring those points in league statistics.
The defense can and should be credited and acknowledged for scoring those points in a statistic that keeps track of defensive touchdowns. 
What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Hence, league statistics for defensive points allowed per game should not include turnover touchdowns allowed by that team's offense (i.e. interceptions and fumble recoveries resulting in touchdowns).  For example, NESCAC stats list a defense as giving up 90 points in 6 games averaging 15 points per game.  In reality, 12 of those points were allowed by that team's offense on turnovers.  Why should a statistic for defense scoring allowed include touchdowns given up by the team's offense?  The true and accurate points given up by that team's defense is 68 points in 6 games equaling 13.0 points per game and not 15.0 points per game.  One could argue that they put substitutes in the game in the second half and did not score as many points as they could have.  That is true in many games, but it does not mean scoring statistics should not be kept.  Since these stats are broken down to offense points per game and defense points per game allowed, it would not be an overly difficult task to remove points from turnovers made by the offense from the defensive points allowed statistics, and remove defensive touchdowns from the offensive scoring statistics.  The offensive stats are supposed to reflect what the offense actually accomplished during a game, and the defensive stats should reflect what the defense actually accomplished during a game.  I would like to hear from others as to why this would not be a more reasonable and accurate way to keep these two categories stats: offense points scored and defense points allowed.

[jumbolina]

To this point, the whole point of NESCAC sports is the passion for the sport. No one is playing it to go pro, they are all playing it because they love the sport and camaraderie. People don't work this hard for no reason. If you are passionate about something, it is only fair for you to get worked up over it because you care so much. While it may be a bit trivial, it is all in good fun and competition because at the end of the day it is all due to everyone's care and passion for the sport.

You must not know who Phillip J. Lutz is

[jumbolina]

To this point, the whole point of NESCAC sports is the passion for the sport. No one is playing it to go pro, they are all playing it because they love the sport and camaraderie. People don't work this hard for no reason. If you are passionate about something, it is only fair for you to get worked up over it because you care so much. While it may be a bit trivial, it is all in good fun and competition because at the end of the day it is all due to everyone's care and passion for the sport.

You must not know who Phillip J. Lutz is

Oh wait nevermind...you're a midd fan (1 touchdown 2 touchdown 3 touchdown 4 touchdown 5 touchdown 6 touchdown)

[GroundandPound]

I hope Lutz gets an opportunity to play professional football if that is what he wants.
I suspect Tomlinson may have a better chance...

https://unhwildcats.com/sports/football/stats#individual
https://bluehens.com/sports/football/stats/2023

Logan Tomlinson 28 catches 403 yards and 6 TDs
Phil Lutz        11 catches 172 yards and 1 TD

[MammothDad]

Is it official that there will be Spring FB in the NESCAC this spring (24)?

Also, is it official that rosters will be limited to 76 players?  If so, is there a pacing plan or anything to get it there or will it be 76 cold turkey in the fall of 24?

Bump...

Sorry for the delay Loch:

1. Spring Practice: For the Spring of 2024, each NESCAC football team gets 10 real, coached practices.
2. Roster Size: No roster limit for the 2024 season. Our understanding is that the proposal for the 2025 season is to go back to the previous roster limit of 76. That has not been finalized yet. The Lord Mammoths and the Ephs are apparently the leading advocates for that change. If we were betting men (which we are), knowing this league like we do, they will compromise on a number in the 80-90 range.

Thank you, Nescacman & LochNescac

[Nescacman]

To this point, the whole point of NESCAC sports is the passion for the sport. No one is playing it to go pro, they are all playing it because they love the sport and camaraderie. People don't work this hard for no reason. If you are passionate about something, it is only fair for you to get worked up over it because you care so much. While it may be a bit trivial, it is all in good fun and competition because at the end of the day it is all due to everyone's care and passion for the sport.

You must not know who Phillip J. Lutz is

Or Logan Tomlinson...

[jumbolina]

I hope Lutz gets an opportunity to play professional football if that is what he wants.
I suspect Tomlinson may have a better chance...

https://unhwildcats.com/sports/football/stats#individual
https://bluehens.com/sports/football/stats/2023

Logan Tomlinson 28 catches 403 yards and 6 TDs
Phil Lutz        11 catches 172 yards and 1 TD

It seems as though UNH may have a better QB or pass game coordinator. Good for that kid though he was a hell of a player and a great sport.

[Nescacman]

https://nescac.com/stats.aspx?path=football&year=2023

A simple and more accurate method of calculating offensive scoring per game and defensive points allowed per game should be followed.
For example, NESCAC stats list a team's offense as scoring 183 points in 7 games averaging 26.1 points per game.
That team's offense, however, has only scored 153 points because its defense, amazingly, has five touchdowns from interceptions.
In reality, that team's offense is averaging 21.8 points per game not 26.1 points per game.
One could argue that the defense deprived the offense of scoring opportunities and yardage opportunities by making so many darn good defensive plays.
That may be so, however, the reality and truth of the matter is that the offense did not score those points, and should not be credited with scoring those points in league statistics.
The defense can and should be credited and acknowledged for scoring those points in a statistic that keeps track of defensive touchdowns. 
What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Hence, league statistics for defensive points allowed per game should not include turnover touchdowns allowed by that team's offense (i.e. interceptions and fumble recoveries resulting in touchdowns).  For example, NESCAC stats list a defense as giving up 90 points in 6 games averaging 15 points per game.  In reality, 12 of those points were allowed by that team's offense on turnovers.  Why should a statistic for defense scoring allowed include touchdowns given up by the team's offense?  The true and accurate points given up by that team's defense is 68 points in 6 games equaling 13.0 points per game and not 15.0 points per game.  One could argue that they put substitutes in the game in the second half and did not score as many points as they could have.  That is true in many games, but it does not mean scoring statistics should not be kept.  Since these stats are broken down to offense points per game and defense points per game allowed, it would not be an overly difficult task to remove points from turnovers made by the offense from the defensive points allowed statistics, and remove defensive touchdowns from the offensive scoring statistics.  The offensive stats are supposed to reflect what the offense actually accomplished during a game, and the defensive stats should reflect what the defense actually accomplished during a game.  I would like to hear from others as to why this would not be a more reasonable and accurate way to keep these two categories stats: offense points scored and defense points allowed.

You're talking about an undermanned NESCAC HQ staff that barely gets out the weekly update on Monday's making adjustments such as this? Although we don't disagree with your proposal, it's never going to happen.

If we had the choice between making these adjustments or seeing real turnover stats with true plus/minus by team, rather than us tracking manually ourselves, we would vote for that.

[Nescacman]

I hope Lutz gets an opportunity to play professional football if that is what he wants.
I suspect Tomlinson may have a better chance...

https://unhwildcats.com/sports/football/stats#individual
https://bluehens.com/sports/football/stats/2023

Logan Tomlinson 28 catches 403 yards and 6 TDs
Phil Lutz        11 catches 172 yards and 1 TD

It seems as though UNH may have a better QB or pass game coordinator. Good for that kid though he was a hell of a player and a great sport.

Or maybe Logan is just better than Lutz....

Let's not forget, Logan has one more year of eligibility after this year so we would expect even bigger things from him in 2024. Clearly, he has proven he belongs at the highest level of FCS football and is an elite player.

We can dream, but what if the Cards had Logan and Helbig this year? Something we have not mentioned much, but we think they both would have made a big difference in at least one of our two losses...

[jumbolina]

I hope Lutz gets an opportunity to play professional football if that is what he wants.
I suspect Tomlinson may have a better chance...

https://unhwildcats.com/sports/football/stats#individual
https://bluehens.com/sports/football/stats/2023

Logan Tomlinson 28 catches 403 yards and 6 TDs
Phil Lutz        11 catches 172 yards and 1 TD

It seems as though UNH may have a better QB or pass game coordinator. Good for that kid though he was a hell of a player and a great sport.

Or maybe Logan is just better than Lutz....

Let's not forget, Logan has one more year of eligibility after this year so we would expect even bigger things from him in 2024. Clearly, he has proven he belongs at the highest level of FCS football and is an elite player.

We can dream, but what if the Cards had Logan and Helbig this year? Something we have not mentioned much, but we think they both would have made a big difference in at least one of our two losses...

Well considering that I had to guard both of them on several occasions, I can tell you first hand that Logan has nothing on Lutz's physical abilities and it's not even close.

[jumpshot]

Nescacman: All-time football record: Williams 77 wins, Wesleyan 45 wins (5 ties)
                   Football record 2010 - 1986: Williams 25 wins, Wesleyan 2 wins.
                   .... nice try.

P.S. Your multi-year obsession with one Williams coach, whom you don't know or his family, has said more about you than him. Think about it and talk among yourselves .... 

[Pat Coleman]

https://nescac.com/stats.aspx?path=football&year=2023

A simple and more accurate method of calculating offensive scoring per game and defensive points allowed per game should be followed.
For example, NESCAC stats list a team's offense as scoring 183 points in 7 games averaging 26.1 points per game.
That team's offense, however, has only scored 153 points because its defense, amazingly, has five touchdowns from interceptions.
In reality, that team's offense is averaging 21.8 points per game not 26.1 points per game.
One could argue that the defense deprived the offense of scoring opportunities and yardage opportunities by making so many darn good defensive plays.
That may be so, however, the reality and truth of the matter is that the offense did not score those points, and should not be credited with scoring those points in league statistics.
The defense can and should be credited and acknowledged for scoring those points in a statistic that keeps track of defensive touchdowns. 
What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Hence, league statistics for defensive points allowed per game should not include turnover touchdowns allowed by that team's offense (i.e. interceptions and fumble recoveries resulting in touchdowns).  For example, NESCAC stats list a defense as giving up 90 points in 6 games averaging 15 points per game.  In reality, 12 of those points were allowed by that team's offense on turnovers.  Why should a statistic for defense scoring allowed include touchdowns given up by the team's offense?  The true and accurate points given up by that team's defense is 68 points in 6 games equaling 13.0 points per game and not 15.0 points per game.  One could argue that they put substitutes in the game in the second half and did not score as many points as they could have.  That is true in many games, but it does not mean scoring statistics should not be kept.  Since these stats are broken down to offense points per game and defense points per game allowed, it would not be an overly difficult task to remove points from turnovers made by the offense from the defensive points allowed statistics, and remove defensive touchdowns from the offensive scoring statistics.  The offensive stats are supposed to reflect what the offense actually accomplished during a game, and the defensive stats should reflect what the defense actually accomplished during a game.  I would like to hear from others as to why this would not be a more reasonable and accurate way to keep these two categories stats: offense points scored and defense points allowed.

You're talking about an undermanned NESCAC HQ staff that barely gets out the weekly update on Monday's making adjustments such as this? Although we don't disagree with your proposal, it's never going to happen.

If we had the choice between making these adjustments or seeing real turnover stats with true plus/minus by team, rather than us tracking manually ourselves, we would vote for that.

Does seem like the new software package the NCAA contracted for schools to use should be capable of figuring this out.

[Charlie]

Deplorable Conditions

Does anyone else think it is amazing that NESCAC college tuitions are what they are and the fact that they charge this amount of money and can't provide acceptable visiting team locker rooms with more than a few showers for opposing teams.

The game gets over and the kids literally have an hour to shower see their parents after the games and get on the bus home some 3 Plus hours away depending on location. You mean the the schools can't have a locker room so that all 75 kids can shower. It is amazing how these schools behave in this manner. I am even being told that some of these locations have no running hot water. Disgraceful !

Which leads to another poll which NESCAC school has best visiting locker room ?

[Nescacman]

Deplorable Conditions

Does anyone else think it is amazing that NESCAC college tuitions are what they are and the fact that they charge this amount of money and can't provide acceptable visiting team locker rooms with more than a few showers for opposing teams.

The game gets over and the kids literally have an hour to shower see their parents after the games and get on the bus home some 3 Plus hours away depending on location. You mean the the schools can't have a locker room so that all 75 kids can shower. It is amazing how these schools behave in this manner. I am even being told that some of these locations have no running hot water. Disgraceful !

Which leads to another poll which NESCAC school has best visiting locker room ?

Our guess....the Camels of Conn...

[SpringSt7]

Tufts' stunning loss to Hamilton got me thinking about the worst losses for each NESCAC program. For Trinity, the 2021 blowout loss to Williams jumps to mind. It was by no means an upset as the Ephs finished that season 9-0, but the nature of the loss was shocking. At the risk of bringing up bad memories, I'm curious to hear from other posters what their respective programs' worst losses have been.

OK, we'll take the bait.

As far as we are concerned, the Cardinals 1982 loss in Williamstown was far and away the worst. Not so much because of the score, but how we lost...last play of the game, after we took the lead with about 30 seconds left. Wes losses 27-24. Pretty bad. Definitely the worst we have seen for Wes in our 40+ years of being around the program. Way worse than Tufts this year, btw.

We'd also like to nominate on behalf of our Purple Cow friends, the 2016 tilt v. Wesleyan...Wes 59 Purple Cows 14. We think our Eph friends will have a tough time beating that one.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record since it came up last week - 2016 to Wesleyan was awful but it was really obvious by about September 1st of that year that it was not going to be a fun season in Williamstown. 2017 and 2019, both also to Wesleyan, hurt a little more in some ways. 2017 was the 30-0 drubbing in Maimaron's freshman year that really stung and in 2019 they lost in overtime after outgaining Wes 419-296 but Estevez returned a kick for a touchdown and they couldn't get the stop they needed at the end of regulation before losing in OT.

The 2019 loss wasn't awful in a vacuum but coupled with the Week 1 loss to Middlebury all of a sudden you realized they were just two stops away from going 9-0. I know they went 7-2 but they were the best football team that year. Don't think they got a trophy for that though.