FB: New England Small College Athletic Conference

[RedAndBlack]

Cortland state did win the championship and did it with nearly all NY athletes. saying NY isnt a great football state is probably slightly too harsh, as they consistently have loads of D2 and D3 talent in the NESCAC, CCC, NE10, MAC and CC. Your point that he doesnt "shine" against his competition without knowing that a team composed of kids he played against just won the D3 championship says a whole lot more about your evaluation skills than his talent

[nescac1]

I know nothing about NY high school football, but I will say that many of the Ephs' best players over the past four years have come from New York, including Frank Stola, Mario Fischetti, Tim Forth, Mike Tartaglia, Joel Nicholas, Ian Devine, John Rooney, and Mike DeGasperis.

[RoostersBy90]

It's a slow off season fella but per insiders, the Rooster's QB1 Zebrowski has put 30 pounds on his bench since November and can throw 10 yards further than last year.

[NESCACFball24/7]

Cortland state did win the championship and did it with nearly all NY athletes. saying NY isnt a great football state is probably slightly too harsh, as they consistently have loads of D2 and D3 talent in the NESCAC, CCC, NE10, MAC and CC. Your point that he doesnt "shine" against his competition without knowing that a team composed of kids he played against just won the D3 championship says a whole lot more about your evaluation skills than his talent

The top talent in New York would not be able to compete with the top talent in most other states in the country. Cardinal Hayes and Archbishop Stepinac are ranked top 2 in the state yet neither is ranked in the top 100 in the country. Look at fbs football rosters around the country and tell me how many kids from New York you find on average. I can promise you that you will find one from CA, GA, FL, LA etc on every one. When the best high school players in your state are going to fcs or division 2/3 schools that means the level of talent does not match up with "good" football states.

[lumbercat]

Pretty shortsighted to slight any recruit from NY because NY is not a strong Football state.
Many good NESCAC and Ivy players have come from NY over the years.

There are 15-20 New York kids on the Syracuse roster. While they may or may not be dominant players in the ACC I would think most or all would be very good NESCAC players at a minimum despite being from the Empire Sate.

No reason Johansen won't be a very good player at Williams regardless of where he is from. He was  recruited and sought after by many of the NESCACS and also had strong Patriot and IVY interest. He made an early decision in the recruiting cycle to commit to Williams which evidently was his target school.

[The truth 101]

Pretty shortsighted to slight any recruit from NY because NY is not a strong Football state.
Many good NESCAC and Ivy players have come from NY over the years.

There are 15-20 New York kids on the Syracuse roster. While they may or may not be dominant players in the ACC I would think most or all would be very good NESCAC players at a minimum despite being from the Empire Sate.

No reason Johansen won't be a very good player at Williams regardless of where he is from. He was  recruited and sought after by many of the NESCACS and also had strong Patriot and IVY interest. He made an early decision in the recruiting cycle to commit to Williams which evidently was his target school.

Well yeah every college including especially at the FBS level recruits heavily within their own state because kids are more likely to want to stay close to home. Syracuse also hasn't won anything football wise with that talent pool. Not only that but their new head coach is brining in transfers from all over because he knows he can't win with the current roster so not a great example. I will say that I don't think the state a kid comes from should put a cap on their talent/ ability and this kid at Williams could be great but I do think the sheer volume of "great" players come from a select few states at higher levels New York not usually included.

[lumbercat]

No secret Syracuse hasn't done well in recent years. Thats not the point. My point is there are many prospects in the state of NY who can certainly contribute and excel at the NESCAC level. Not saying NY is comparable to NJ or other fertile recruiting states by any means but there are ample NESCAC prospects in NY and many of those have historically excelled in the NESCAC.
I am talking NESCAC, not D1. I raised the Syracuse point because the D1 program in the state carries 18 NY kids who are presumably able to compete at the D1 level regards of whether or not they wanted to stay close to home- another irrelevant point here.

[RedAndBlack]

where a kid plays from doesnt matter anymore. between the volume of film that is available and camps, the coaches can truly evaluate a player no matter where they are from. Guys seldom slip through the cracks like they used to. If you have the ability and necessary grades, any school can and will find you. just because a player doesnt dominate the competition on film (in the eyes of a d3 message board commentator) means nothing. Williams wanted the kid, and that coach knows how to evaluate talent.

[Scoops]

where a kid plays from doesnt matter anymore. between the volume of film that is available and camps, the coaches can truly evaluate a player no matter where they are from. Guys seldom slip through the cracks like they used to. If you have the ability and necessary grades, any school can and will find you. just because a player doesnt dominate the competition on film (in the eyes of a d3 message board commentator) means nothing. Williams wanted the kid, and that coach knows how to evaluate talent.

This argument has been quite entertaining to follow. The reality is that New York will OCCASIONALLY have a good football player, but the chances are significantly lower compared to other states in even the Northeast, let alone the country at large. So to tout a NY recruit isn't exactly anything to be so proud of. That said, within the NESCAC, there have been good NY players. The majority of the elite players in the league aren't from NY, but there are occasionally good players.

When it comes to Coach Raymond though, I think it's more than laughable to say he's good at evaluating talent. Williams has had 3 relatively "good" seasons in his entire tenure. And 2 of those 3 seasons were when he had Maimaron. I believe there's a saying about blind squirrels that may be apropos here. 

[lumbercat]

We agree there is less likelihood of finding a great number of high level D1 prospects in NY. But to imply that a NESCAC D3 recruit is probably not that good because he is from NY is total nonsense.

[Hawk196]

Northern NJ has 3 high school powerhouses within 5 miles of each other, talk about concentration of talent....that doesn't include St. Peter's prep or the south Jersey schools.....as a matter of fact NY teams just started to play(competitively) in the past few years, prior to that not even close

[NESCACFball24/7]

We agree there is less likelihood of finding a great number of high level D1 prospects in NY. But to imply that a NESCAC D3 recruit is probably not that good because he is from NY is total nonsense.

Nobody said that he couldn't be good because he's from New York. The point was that if he was as hyped up as a the poster claimed him to be one could expect him to have stood off of the tape more given the level of competion he would be facing compared to other kids coming into the league

[lumbercat]

NESCAC 24/7
don't understand that post

[Nescacman]

Love the new format and happy to see the Boards back, along with all of our old friends. Looking forward to see some good banter as we head into Spring ball post break.

[Hawk196]

What are some of the NY powerhouses? I remember St. Anthonys on Long Island, Stephinac, Iona prep in Westchester. Who are the upstate NY powerhouses?