FB: New England Small College Athletic Conference

[frank uible]

speedy: Yes, they did. But it is anticompetitive and bad education policy. I can only guess what its advantages are.

[Jonny Utah]

aslo frank, bates bowdoin and colby didnt want to get their buts kicked by umaine everyear, and they didnt want to look every year for a team to schedule, and they liked what the ivy leagues did, so they all AGREED to follow rules they saw beneficial....if you dont like the rules, you can leave!!!!

[Roonyhufsfarts]

I agree with speedy.  I like the NESCAC and its close community.  I also agree that they gain more by being together than as being seperate.  The thing I disagree with is the fact we cant play out of conference.  The playoff ban is one thing (which I disagree with) that scares alot of administrators for silly reasons but reasons that evoke quite a bit of fear.  Allowing a couple of non-conference games for teams that wished to schedule them should be allowed.  I think a couple of schools would take the option to play a non conference game AFTER they finished playing the entire NESCAC schedule.  Remember, there are some pretty bad teams in the New England Football Conference that some of the lower schools could compete against.  But hey, when you establiosh that your good, take a shot at a big dog.

This way the emphasis is on the NESCAC schedule still, and winning its championship, but also gives a small outlet to the world to show everyone (inculding the players) know how good they reallly are.

I just really hope that more restirictions do not come down.  That would really upset me.  It runs contrary to every bit of logical I learned as a student at Trinity and I would not support them finacially until they changed (and that would hurt too, because I really want to, i love the place).

P.S. Speedy, love the Ayn Rand reference.  Favorite book is The Fountainhead

[frank uible]

jonny: I don't like the rules, and consequently I am declining to apply for admission to any of the NESCAC colleges. I don't need to conspire with any person or institution to do that.

[Jonny Utah]

frank, swathmore, clarkson, skidmore choose not to have football together

Umaine, unh, uri, umass chooses to join a league and divistion that has limited number of scholorships.

Williams, amherst, bowdoin choose to join a league and division that doesnt participate in playoffs.

Frank Ubile chooses not to do what he wants to do.


its all the same frank, hang out with who you want to hang out with and then leave when you want to.  Its america, not the fountainhead.

[patfan]

I kind of like the fact that Trinity has been dominating the past few years. It gives teams something to aim for every off season. Trinity beat Middlebury by two touchdowns, if they had pulled off the upset it would have made their season this year. I also feel that because that game was so close Middlebury was able to see that they're really are a solid team. The result...beating Bates by forty points. Lets be serious This whole Trinity streak will not last forever. It's only a matter of time before another one of the NESCAC's is doing the same thing.

[mariner75]

Frank, NESCAC plays football.  Team with the most wins is the champion.  Same as the Ivy League. No playoffs allowed.  That's the rule.  Very simple.  Kids can go play somplace else if they want something else.  They all graduate with the best education a tuition buys......that's the bottomline.

[frank uible]

mariner: What are the justifications for restricting squad size to 75, for prohibiting a 9th and 10th game, for limiting inter-collegiate play to conference colleges or for declining post-season play, all conspiratorially? Shouldn't decisions about those matters be left to the individual colleges? The Conference flexes its muscles over its individual members apparently for the sake of flexing, all to the detriment of the student-athletes of the member colleges, whose options are thereby closed when they should be kept open as much as possible.

[Jonny Utah]

frank, if trinity wants to have more than 75 guys then they can be an independent.

If they want a 9th or 10th game, same thing, leave the league

If they want to pay their players, then they should join the new england semipro league.

its all up to them what they want to do.  For now, they joined the nescac.

[frank uible]

jonny: In my judgment, a foolish move. It is anti-student. The administrators of these colleges can't be that stupid. There must be nefarious politics involved.

[speedy]

mariner: What are the justifications for restricting squad size to 75, for prohibiting a 9th and 10th game, for limiting inter-collegiate play to conference colleges or for declining post-season play, all conspiratorially? Shouldn't decisions about those matters be left to the individual colleges? The Conference flexes its muscles over its individual members apparently for the sake of flexing, all to the detriment of the student-athletes of the member colleges, whose options are thereby closed when they should be kept open as much as possible.

Who do you think the conference is??? What is the nonsensical talk of "conspiracies"?? NESCAC consists of its members. The schools which comprise the NESCAC establish NESCAC policies and rules on a collaborative basis. These decisions are talked through at countless meetings throughout the year involving the ADs and the presidents of all 10 NESCAC schools. There is no sinister and mysterious dark force that is imposing decisions on the schools which make up the NESCAC. By your reasoning, there should be no conferences as every single conference in the US has rules that it applies to its members.

[frank uible]

speedy: A collaboration is a type of conspiracy - in this case working to the detriment of certain actual and potential students.

[Trincoll]

I do not know much history of the Nescac b/c I never heard about it until being recruited by Chuck Priore. What I want to know is how long has Trinity been ranked below all other Nescac schools. (excluding Conn College this being a FOOTBALL forum) B/c we have not always been this dominant. People choose to go to Trinity some because we couldnt get into sudh colleges as Williams and Amherst or some of us choice Trinity over them as some of my classmates did. But I choose Trinity because it is the 25th best Liberal Arts college. I think the letter written by Tim Coughlin (in the Trinity newspaper posted earlier) shows more of the problem why Trinity is ranked below all other Nescac. I mean in my 4 years their 4 diffrent presidents. Their has to be something wrong and it is not the 75 guys sweating their butts off everyday preparing so the streak can continue.  Lastly I choose Trinity because I wanted to have a Nescac football record of 27-5 the kids graduating this year 31-1. The streak was never in question in my mind other then against Williams when we smoked them I knew it was safe. And what is this talk of Amherst D Trinity will pitch another shutout and if you cnat score you cant win. and whoever posted AMherst D was faster you have not seen Trinity play this year.

Im sorry for the long post long time reader first time writer two suggestions for this board room shorter post b/c roonyhufs halfway through I am daydreaming either their too long or i just went to trintiy so I must be stupid
and please lets cut the Academic talk and stick to football but you guys have nothing to right about

[Trin4eva]

I agre with trincoll about all us at trinity being reel smart.  I dindt just get in this place because i can run fast.  I have a great gpa and I was in the top half of my high school class.  also i like chicken.   anyway i don't no why you guys are all talking all the time about admission reglations and selectivity when we could just talk about football and what a great game it is.  i love football.  i love that smell of the pads and muddy shoes.  i love the cold grass and the hard hits.  i love the lockerroom friendships and shower time with all the guys.  i love the ladies.  i know our streak won't last much longer but its been fun and exciting and just a good time.  by the way i just want to know if any of you remember the world series a couple years ago with the angels?  it was awesome? 

[PolarBearNation]

I agree with trin4eva, why all the talk about standards and test scores? save that stuff for the off season if you still even care to argue about it.  For now, we only have 2 more weeks of this short season to talk about some of the great stories that have been developing over the course of the season.  4 Teams with 1 or 0 losses going into week 7, Williams turning the season around after a slow start, Trinity continuing their streak, Bowdoin turning the program around...Not to mention some of the potential matchups that carry significance at the end of the year.  Amherst v Trinity....Bowdoin v Colby....Amherst v. Williams.  No one cares about who can and can't get into any given school, what matters is that the people who are there are playing there asses off for 2 more weeks so lets enjoy it while we can.