FB: New England Small College Athletic Conference

bant551 · November 14, 2005, 11:06:12 AM

Finally read Kevin's article about the Trin-Amherst game (and touching on the NESCAC in general as well).

I wonder what Saul and TrinCantReedGood would have to say about Leo's take on the NESCAC and not participating in the playoffs. Contrary to the picture that Saul painted of "the transfers who failed out of other schools", Leo said that he was happy the season ends after 8 games. You see, Saul, as a double-major in Italian and Economics, he is thankful that there aren't more weeks in the season to distract from academics. He said the reason he transferred was that he wasn't going to be able to do a double-major at Colgate.

Thats pretty impressive in a league where most teams, including Williams and Amherst, probably overwhelmingly wish they'd have a shot at the playoffs, especially during periods when those teams happen to dominate the league. Its nice to hear that from someone who might be the best player on a powerhouse team... especially when the program is mericously smeared with baseless attacks... the sole purpose of which is to degrade a program as opposed to creating legitimate debate.

bant551 · November 14, 2005, 11:08:58 AM

Great article by the way... sorry to hear about the travel mishaps!

First6Ws · November 14, 2005, 04:57:23 PM

Happy Festivus!!

frank uible · November 14, 2005, 05:03:30 PM

bant551: Who speaks for Williams and Amherst? My quess (and it's only a guess) is that a majority of their football players would favor their participation in the playoffs; their Trustees and administrators - definitely not; and their student bodies marginally against.

bant551 · November 14, 2005, 05:34:41 PM

Frank:

Thats what I was saying. As a former NESCAC football player, it is definitely my opinion that most players in the NESCAC - the vast majority - would want to have the chance to participate in playoff football.

The point of my post is that while most NESCACers (even those at the fancier schools that bring Saul and Bucci to their knees) would like to participate in the playoffs... the guy Leo, whom was smeared by Saul and Bucci without any sort of substantiation (other than to point out that Trinity is ranked lower than the other NESCAC schools - a kind of tired and well-known, yet irrelevant fact), happens to want to spend more time on his academics... which he needs as a double-major (the ability to double-major being a key reason for his transfer).

Unless, of course, Trinity changed everything for him... and he became such a dedicated student only after transferring to Trinity. But that would... um... also undermine Saul and Bucci's argument!

cruiser · November 14, 2005, 07:17:18 PM

final new england football poll ends with 5 nescacs in the top 10:
1. trinity
2. colby
6. bowdoin
7. williams
9. amherst

good showing nescac

frank uible · November 14, 2005, 08:10:12 PM

There is no person who has the foggiest notion about what the correct order should be, including the voters in this poll who are merely stabbing in the dark. What a farce!

Jonny Utah · November 14, 2005, 08:11:12 PM

Yea I think right now Springfield would score 50 on Bowdoin.

formerbant10 · November 14, 2005, 08:18:48 PM

Trinity #1 looks good to me though.

bant551 · November 15, 2005, 05:28:26 PM

Joe Gardi. Head Coach at Hofstra, is officially retiring after the year.

Didn't someone mention that there was some chance that Priore would get a look?

dirtybirds8-0 · November 15, 2005, 06:30:04 PM

happy festivus to all!!!!!!! I just woke up after this past weekend...it was a good time.

frank uible · November 15, 2005, 07:02:29 PM

Would Hofstra be substantially more attractive to Priore than Trinity? If so, why?

Jonny Utah · November 15, 2005, 07:04:14 PM

probably 25,000 to 50,000 more a year and a path to bigger football/more money.

frank uible · November 15, 2005, 07:30:12 PM

jonny: Despite our occasional disagreements, I have a good deal of respect for your information and judgment in applying it. My guess is that Priore is paid by Trinity $135,000/year plus or minus 20%. Can /would Hofstra top it by enough to cause Priore to move? My information is that Hofstra is a private institution with about 8000 undergraduates and 4000 graduate students and has an endowment of about $155 million - not a great deal of wealth for a private institution its size. Your comments please.

Jonny Utah · November 15, 2005, 07:40:06 PM

Im thinking he probably gets around 60,000 to 80,000 at Trinity as head coach, but I could be mistaken.

Hofstra plays in maybe the best 1-AA league in the country with maximum scholorships. Definite national championship potential at Hofstra, and sucsess there might lead to a 1-a job if so desired.

Mark Whipple, former head coach at Umass went right to the qb coach of the pittsburgh steelers.

Kirk Ferenz, former Maine head coach went right to the Cleveland Browns oline job and then to Iowa head coach.

Tim Murphy, former Maine head coach got the Cincinnatti head job after Maine and is now successful at Harvard.

Buddy Teevens, former dartmouth head coach went right to head at Tulane, Stanford, o-cooridanater at florida under spurrier...

just a few northeast 1-aa head coaches I can think of off the top of my head. I really dont know what the trinity head coach makes, I know it can vary a lot at those schools. Some head coaches are assistant coaches in other sports, something that head coaches at a place like Ithaca is rare. A full time coach gets paid to coach football full time........nescac schools are sometimes different.