FB: New England Small College Athletic Conference

[JQV]

trin,

Where did you find those numbers?  That is really interesting.

[Trin9-0]

trin,

Where did you find those numbers?  That is really interesting.

The U. S. Department of Education publishes statistics on athletic spending by colleges. I probably should have stated that the numbers posted were taken from 2004-05 data.

You can check out more related info here:

http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/main.asp

[JQV]

Thanks +k

[Trin9-0]

Thanks +k

No problem... I actually went in and poked around myself. I thought this was interesting; it shows the budgets allocated in the NESCAC per football player. Note that Bates, Bowdoin and Hamilton are all below the 75 person roster limit. Not sure if/how this affects their budgeting for football.

School/   
# Players     Budget/player   Total budget
            
Bates      
55                  $1,473           $80,996
 
Amherst      
75                  $1,293           $96,988
 
Bowdoin      
67                  $1,233           $82,637
 
Trinity      
75                  $1,065           $79,875
 
Williams      
75                   $971             $72,834

Middlebury      
75                   $866             $64,953
 
Colby      
75                   $789             $59,148
 
Wesleyan      
75                   $747             $56,047
 
Hamilton      
68                   $736             $50,038
 
Tufts      
75                   $455             $34,138 

[Jonny Utah]

That cant include coaches salaries right?  Im assuming a lot of those coaches are paid through the teaching budgets.........

[gordonmann]

JU:

I thought it included everything, but now I'm not so sure.

As Pat suggested off the board, this looks like operating expenses ("gameday expenses") which do not include full year cost of employing a coach.

Pretty interesting stuff though.

[frank uible]

Even excluding the costs of coaches' salaries (which these figures most surely must do), the numbers can't be reconciled without attributing to them differing accounting practices from college to college.

[Trin9-0]

JU:

I thought it included everything, but now I'm not so sure.

As Pat suggested off the board, this looks like operating expenses ("gameday expenses") which do not include full year cost of employing a coach.

Pretty interesting stuff though.

The coaches salaries are not included in those budgets. There is a separate page of information that lists the average salaries of head coaches and assistant coaches for men's and women's teams (not broken down by sport however).

Even excluding the costs of coaches' salaries (which these figures most surely must do), the numbers can't be reconciled without attributing to them differing accounting practices from college to college.

Frank, I thought the issue of accounting practices was particularly interesting when looking at the revenues that football generated among NESCAC schools. For example Amherst is listed as making $82,028 in revenue while incurring $461,072 in expenses.

Meanwhile,both Bowdoin's revenue and expenses are listed at $404,617. With the relatively marginal differences between the schools/football programs in terms of budgeting the only explaination possible for this vast discrepancy is the differences in their accounting practices.


The Trinity "coaching salaries" page offers this under "suplemental information" which I assume pertains to all athletic teams, but may be especially prevalent with regards to football:

"Revenues for salaries and operating expenses are not only from College funds, but also from endowments and extensive fundraising efforts."

[Jonny Utah]

Yea I was going to say that each schools accounting practices are going to really dictate what these numbers mean.  Im sure some money to pay coaches comes out of the athletic budget while other coaches funds come out of the school budget where coaches do other things on campus.  Then Im gonna say a lot of nescac coaches coach other sports.

I would like to know what each head coach makes total, and what other jobs they have to do on campus.......

[46Hawk]

Bates actually has over 75 players on their roster heading into pre-season and will most likely have to make some cuts.

[Trin9-0]

Bates actually has over 75 players on their roster heading into pre-season and will most likely have to make some cuts.

All the information was taken from 2004.

That's good to hear about Bates. The Bobcats seem to be making some progress. Maybe if every NESCAC school can get 75 players they can eliminate the rule or at least increase the number of players allowed per roster.

I think it's a shame that a student is told he can't play football the DIII level.

[frank uible]

The Rule of 75 is awful and runs counter to the very educational principles for which the NESCAC colleges stand.

[46Hawk]

I couldn't agree with both of you more, it is a shame that D-3 NESCAC players have to be cut when we play only 8 games no playoffs and there is plenty of money at these schools

[Gray Fox]

The Rule of 75 is awful and runs counter to the very educational principles for which the NESCAC colleges stand.

Your karma was at 75 when I read this post, so I gave you a boost.

[frank uible]

I need all the help I can get.