FB: New England Small College Athletic Conference

[union89]

I'm not 100% sure that's the case -- they may get seeded highly but would have to perform. Clearly, the NESCAC is better than the NEFC, but I don't think the same can be said for the NESCAC against the E8 champ, the NJAC champ or the MAC champ.

Is that a non-chalant dig at the LL??? 

I've previously stated on more than one occasion that I think the best teams in the NESCAC can compete with the top three in the LL.

That is true - TGP agrees with this assessment.  However, TGP would disagree that the top 3 in the LL and/or LL league champ can't play toe to toe with the champs from the other leagues (E8, NJAC and MAC) as TGP thinks the LL has shown that they can in fact hang with the best teams in the east, especially in recent years.  This argument has come up in the past, and it is not TGP's intent to re-start the same old "LL don't get no respeck" thread.

Of course, Union didn't do the LL any favors by getting smoked by SJF last season, but Hobart went toe to toe with Rowan (lost by 2 in the final minute and change) and RPI defeated Cortland in the ECACs (TGP knows your general stance on these contests, so if that doesn't suffice, how about Hobart's 2005 NCAA victory over Cortland?  That 2005 Hobart team also went toe to toe with a strong Del Val team in the next round). 

Maybe to put it a little differently - Is it fair to say, perhaps excluding the NEFC based on their track record that, in general, the East Region has reached a point of parity (at least among the league champs/top 2 teams in each respective league)?

SJF was awsome last year and smoked Union and the Rowan (much worse than 'da U)....I feel Pat has a lack of respect for the LL, but that's just my opinion.

The LL has beaten up on the E8 aside from SJF in '06......am I missing something??

Sorry to post this on the NESCAC board, but this is where the conversation is happening.....

[labart96]

Perhaps.  In Pat's defense - he maintains the view of a national reporter on D3Football, while guys like U and TGP have a bit of an east coast bias.

Pat's perspective is likely influenced not in recent trends, but historical ones.  The list (overall W/L in the NCAA playoffs) below is probably where he bases his views on the LL:

Conference W L Pct.
OAC 40 9 .816
NWC 18 10 .643
MIAC 20 12 .625
NJAC 17 11 .607
E8 7 5 .583
MAC 12 9 .571
WIAC 12 10 .545
ACFC 6 5 .545
SCAC 9 8 .529
ODAC 10 9 .526
ASC 12 11 .522
NCAC 10 9 .526
CCIW 11 11 .500
Independents 5 7 .417
PAC 6 9 .400
UCAA/LL 7 11 .389
FFC (defunct) 3 5 .375
IIAC 6 11 .353
UAA 1 2 .333
Centennial 4 9 .308
SCIAC 2 5 .286
Dixie/USAC 2 6 .250
MWC 1 8 .111
HCAC 1 8 .111
MIAA 0 7 .000
IBC 0 7 .000
NEFC 0 8 .000

So as a league, we need greater (and more frequent) post season runs.

[This time frame is from 1999 to date.  -- Ralph Turner]

[union89]

Perhaps.  In Pat's defense - he maintains the view of a national reporter on D3Football, while guys like U and TGP have a bit of an east coast bias.

Pat's perspective is likely influenced not in recent trends, but historical ones.  The list (overall W/L in the NCAA playoffs) below is probably where he bases his views on the LL:

Conference W L Pct.
OAC 40 9 .816
NWC 18 10 .643
MIAC 20 12 .625
NJAC 17 11 .607
E8 7 5 .583
MAC 12 9 .571
WIAC 12 10 .545
ACFC 6 5 .545
SCAC 9 8 .529
ODAC 10 9 .526
ASC 12 11 .522
NCAC 10 9 .526
CCIW 11 11 .500
Independents 5 7 .417
PAC 6 9 .400
UCAA/LL 7 11 .389
FFC (defunct) 3 5 .375
IIAC 6 11 .353
UAA 1 2 .333
Centennial 4 9 .308
SCIAC 2 5 .286
Dixie/USAC 2 6 .250
MWC 1 8 .111
HCAC 1 8 .111
MIAA 0 7 .000
IBC 0 7 .000
NEFC 0 8 .000

So as a league, we need greater (and more frequent) post season runs.

If we want to base it off that, Augustana is the second best team in all of D3 football!!

Also, back when Union played Williams, Colby, Hamilton and Middlebury, it was rather one sided.

[Pat Coleman]

If we want to base it off that, Augustana is the second best team in all of D3 football!!

Not over the time frame listed above, no.

[union89]

If we want to base it off that, Augustana is the second best team in all of D3 football!!

Not over the time frame listed above, no.

My comment there was directed to TGP looking at a historic scope.

Pat, to that point, on what do you base your E8 superiority to the LL?

[Pat Coleman]

Seems to me he quoted a rather extensive list. That speaks to his scope, not your exaggeration of it.

I think he hit the point I would've made.

[union89]

My bad, I'm not attempting to exaggerate anything.....what scope are you looking at though?  I can't find a time-frame listed in the past couple posts.

[Ralph Turner]

TGP's list from the front page is from 1999-2006.

[union89]

Ok, again, my bad....I am confused as hell, so I'm gonna drop out of this one.

[BTEXPRESS]

After years of watching this message board from afar, I have decided to join in the fun. My son is being recruited by several Division III schools including Washington & Lee, Johns Hopkins, Gettysburg and Bowdoin among others. The NESCAC is intriging to us. I understand the thought process of not wanting to participate in the Division III playoffs, but can someone explain why the schools don't at least play EVERY school in the league for a 9 game schedule?. All the other sports in the league seem to play all the teams and I really don't think playing one more game would hurt. If you look at it from players point of view, they are missing out on playing four more games over their career.

[Pat Coleman]

That, to me, would be a major detraction -- only being allowed to play 32 games instead of the Division III standard of 40 plus the possibility of playoffs over four years. Even the Ivy League allows non-conference play in football, and that's what these schools seem to be modeling their football restrictions after.

[bant551]

BTEXPRESS:

I've never gotten a satisfactory explanation for the 8 game garbage.

[JeffRookie2]

Who is the frontrunner to replace Kehoe as the starting QB for the jeffs next year? Will it be George Read, or do you think they will go with Lucas Loeffler? Also, is Mike Myers definitely the go-to wideout next season?

BTEX- ive talked to some of the coaches about this, but as far as I can tell, it simply comes down to the fact that football is not a high priority for these schools, and from talking to the players, making 2 trips instead of one per season up to maine or out to clinton, NY on a Friday night is not high on the wish list.

[lewdogg11]

Who is the frontrunner to replace Kehoe as the starting QB for the jeffs next year? Will it be George Read, or do you think they will go with Lucas Loeffler? Also, is Mike Myers definitely the go-to wideout next season?

BTEX- ive talked to some of the coaches about this, but as far as I can tell, it simply comes down to the fact that football is not a high priority for these schools, and from talking to the players, making 2 trips instead of one per season up to maine or out to clinton, NY on a Friday night is not high on the wish list.

Some of my most fond memories are the away trips that you leave on Friday, watch movies on the bus, get to hang out with the team in a hotel, eat breakfast together on Saturday, travel to the game together, and then celebrate on the bus ride home.  Sounds like a copout to me. 

[bant551]

In reality, you still have to scrimmage that weekend anyway, so the additional game wouldn't cost you anything, except maybe sleeping in a hotel rather than staying in your dorm the night before a game.