WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Willy Wonka]

People pulling late night posts left and right and fiestiness everywhere! I love it! I hope the Prez, a Johnnie, is proud of me for riling up so many.

First of all, bg, no one is handing GAC anything. They earned the win last week, in case you missed it. Does that mean they won't lose the rest of the season? Of course not. Nothing is decided as yet. They could lose out, as could the Bennies.

I'm simply confused as to what voters (ie Pat) see in Noreen. She earned postseason honors on this site a year ago and redic preseason honors this year. Meanwhile, Whalen and McCarville - 2 of the top 3/4 MVP candidates last season and, obviously, this season (with Noreen no where in sight) - got nothing a year ago and got snubbed again this preseason. Personally, it seems somene needs to update his sources in the MIAC if these are to be legit awards.

Also, I'm a little confused as to how Hanson pertains to the voting of the women's top 25. Isn't this the women's board? If he's one of the voters keeping Haller's team out of the polls, we have a completely different issue to tackle.

My identity was never a secret - anyone who can run a mouse can click on my name, see my email address and put 2+2 together. Heck, I've even received a few emails over the years - a Carleton parent was my favorite, for what it's worth. However, your use of my real name suggest we're taking the gloves off. Do we really want to go there? Think about it and get back to me, Patty cakes. I'm humming Bachman Turner Overdrive already in anticipation.

[Pat Coleman]

I'm simply confused as to what voters (ie Pat) see in Noreen. She earned postseason honors on this site a year ago

Willy:

As a member of the media, I would hope you would get your facts straight. She earned one postseason honor last season -- second-team All-Region. I have no role whatsoever in the selection of the All-Region teams. You should know better. Or at least be able to read.

http://www.d3hoops.com/all-region/index.html

"There were 596 players nominated nationwide. The ballot was then made available to SIDs, who voted for 10 players in their region. SIDs voted for six frontcourt players and four backcourt players, to insure balance."

If you want to bitch and moan about an honor from October when we're 17-18 games into the season in February, Boese, do it on your own time. Write a column for your newspaper. The preseason is OVER. Sheesh.

Also, I'm a little confused as to how Hanson pertains to the voting of the women's top 25. Isn't this the women's board? If he's one of the voters keeping Haller's team out of the polls, we have a completely different issue to tackle.

It's to show that I don't have anything against GAC, contrary to your assertions.

However, your use of my real name suggest we're taking the gloves off. Do we really want to go there? Think about it and get back to me, Patty cakes. I'm humming Bachman Turner Overdrive already in anticipation.

Yawn. You annoy me, for sure. But you don't scare me.

Here's what I don't get -- I LIKE Gustavus Adolphus. I spent some time on campus in high school and loved the place. We have gotten great cooperation from the professionals in the athletics department, and, as an assistant SID went out and got an SID job at another school, we have gotten great cooperation from him too. When a team from my home state made the Final Four, I was thrilled, and I was glad to see the MIAC finally get the monkey off its back after taking years of abuse on the message board from the Illinois and Wisconsin fans.

But you seem to have it stuck in your head that we have something against GAC. That's patently ridiculous. And you must know that, because you refuse to answer -- what snubbing over the past 18 months are we referring to? Hmm?

What did I do to deserve your scorn? Why did I work my ass off to cover your title game run? Why is a decade of our hard work so in need of your ridicule?

I would like an answer. Thanks. This is your chance. But this site isn't going to go away just because you don't like it. It was here when you were in junior high and I dare say it will be here when you hit your 10th reunion as well.

[LA RAMS]

Whew!  I get away from the board for a couple of days and all hell breaks loose. 

Pat, I'm sure you're keenly aware of it but UW-River Falls knocked off #10 UW-Stout the other night.  This is the same River Falls team that got dough-popped by Macalester back in December.  I'm just curious how far Stout will drop come the first of this next week - a few spots or something resembling a free-fall?

Personally, I think rankings right now are good for coffee/Pepsi/beer talk (I REALLY love the second and like the 3rd on Saturday night!).  However, I don't think there's any denying that the Gusties are a legit Top 25 team and I would be daring enough myself to put them right around #13 or so.  But we won't know for sure how good this team really is until they (presumably) get into the NCAA tournament and start trying to inflict some damage.   And even I know that things will have to work out right for them (i.e., Monahan and Vadnais staying relatively injury-free and getting the breaks) in order for the Gusties to make a deep run.  I remember back in '03 when Carleton, GAC, and CSB were all legit Top 25 teams and I thought for sure that Carleton would make a deep run.  Instead, they got run off their home floor by St. Norbert in the 2nd round.  The MIAC hasn't done much in the Dance save for CSB's little run a couple of years ago.  Hopefully GAC can change that.

Looks like I'll have to catch one of the in-town games today; probably Concordia and Hamline.  Any predictions out there today?   

 

[Pat Coleman]

Whew!  I get away from the board for a couple of days and all hell breaks loose. 

Pat, I'm sure you're keenly aware of it but UW-River Falls knocked off #10 UW-Stout the other night.  This is the same River Falls team that got dough-popped by Macalester back in December.  I'm just curious how far Stout will drop come the first of this next week - a few spots or something resembling a free-fall?

Personally, I think rankings right now are good for coffee/Pepsi/beer talk (I REALLY love the second and like the 3rd on Saturday night!).  However, I don't think there's any denying that the Gusties are a legit Top 25 team and I would be daring enough myself to put them right around #13 or so.  But we won't know for sure how good this team really is until they (presumably) get into the NCAA tournament and start trying to inflict some damage.   And even I know that things will have to work out right for them (i.e., Monahan and Vadnais staying relatively injury-free and getting the breaks) in order for the Gusties to make a deep run.  I remember back in '03 when Carleton, GAC, and CSB were all legit Top 25 teams and I thought for sure that Carleton would make a deep run.  Instead, they got run off their home floor by St. Norbert in the 2nd round.  The MIAC hasn't done much in the Dance save for CSB's little run a couple of years ago.  Hopefully GAC can change that.

Looks like I'll have to catch one of the in-town games today; probably Concordia and Hamline.  Any predictions out there today?   

I don't know about Stout -- it will depend on what else happens today. If a lot of other teams in about the 8-17 range lose than Stout won't probably drop too far. If there are few losses then Stout's will stick out like a very sore thumb.

Remember River Falls is still 13-8 and above .500 in that league, so it's not like losing to Finlandia. And it's not like being above .500 in a weak league, like Marian.

[Willy Wonka]

Willy:

As a member of the media, I would hope you would get your facts straight. She earned one postseason honor last season -- second-team All-Region. I have no role whatsoever in the selection of the All-Region teams. You should know better. Or at least be able to read.

http://www.d3hoops.com/all-region/index.html

"There were 596 players nominated nationwide. The ballot was then made available to SIDs, who voted for 10 players in their region. SIDs voted for six frontcourt players and four backcourt players, to insure balance."

Oh, where to start...is this supposed to make me feel better or worse?

Does the same SID nominate players for SJU and CSB? If so, it wouldn't suprise me. This is a person (unless johnniepress has taken over within the last 4 years) who nominated the SJU PF three times in one postseason a few years back. As a guard, making his rebound totals seem unreal. Did Pat catch and change this? Did said Johnnie win an award? No and yes. Talk about working the "system" Pat's now hiding behind.

Too old an example for you? How about the Carleton SID who typed up a program ripping the Oles a few weeks back in the battle for the Goat that raised eyebrows from at least two prominent MIAC figures? These are the objective people I'm supposed to trust? Forgive me if I remain concerned at the process.

However, your use of my real name suggest we're taking the gloves off. Do we really want to go there? Think about it and get back to me, Patty cakes. I'm humming Bachman Turner Overdrive already in anticipation.

Yawn. You annoy me, for sure. But you don't scare me.
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I'll save the dirt for the next time you make a mess of the football board. It will get a better reaction there. Oh, and I might be scared 

[DuffMan]

Pat and Willy Wonka taking off the gloves...I love it

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Pat, I'm sure you're keenly aware of it but UW-River Falls knocked off #10 UW-Stout the other night.  This is the same River Falls team that got dough-popped by Macalester back in December.  I'm just curious how far Stout will drop come the first of this next week - a few spots or something resembling a free-fall?

RF did have a mid-season slump, but besides that they have been pretty solid.  Part of the reason for the slump is that they were without their 2nd best player (Preiner), who is now back playing.

[Willy Wonka]

To revisit the question whether SMU is the worst team in the league...Marys shot 18 percent today in scoring 32 points. The Cards had 20 turnovers and three assists. Weisbrod had 24 points, half coming at the free throw line. Take her out of the mix and Marys shoots 8% from the floor.

While it's not exactly an answer, it provides some pretty compelling evidence. I'm just glad I didn't spend two more hours watching them play today.

[Korn Lover]

Cobbers cruise in another revenge game at Hamline. Pipers unable to pull off the box and one on Keely this time. She torched them from outside.

Cobbers hit on all cylinders and had subs in at 4 minutes. Pipers left starters in to the end making the score look closer than it was.

Onto a big match-up on Monday. Gusties and Cobbers seem to play each other close every time. Should be fun!

[Pat Coleman]

Does the same SID nominate players for SJU and CSB? If so, it wouldn't suprise me. This is a person (unless johnniepress has taken over within the last 4 years) who nominated the SJU PF three times in one postseason a few years back. As a guard, making his rebound totals seem unreal. Did Pat catch and change this? Did said Johnnie win an award? No and yes. Talk about working the "system" Pat's now hiding behind.

Johnniepress is St. John's third SID in the past 18 or so months. Facts fail you again.

St. John's and CSB have separate sports information departments. What happens when you assume?

I am not sure what your grudge against Carleton ... hmm, you seem to have a lot of them ... has to do what what I allegedly did to Gustavus Adolphus.

Face it -- you do not have an answer. It's as I thought. You just need to hold a grudge. Guess I was in the way one day and got on your list.

[gacbacker]

It looks as though the Gusties have a solid shot to be in the top 25 next week as #'s 15, 16, 24, 25 and 28 all lost this week....hopefully if they do make it into the top 25 it won't be a short lived stint with Concordia coming to town on Monday...especially after all the stumping I've done for them this week...right Pat?   

Blazerball- you must have entered into cardiac arrest today when you saw Monahan only had 9 points and the Gusties still won by 30-some. I guess they just got lucky today. By the way this makes it 7 of the last 8 games now where they have had three players in double figures.

By the way...newsflash: the Gusties and Blazers clinched playoff spots today due to the fact that they have a six game lead on sixth place Hamline and St. Kate's with six games to play combined with the fact that Hamline and St. Kate's play each other still, meaning that one would be assured of losing at least one game.

[Pat Coleman]

I prefer stumping to stomping. Seen a little of both on this board.

[blazerball]

gachacker - typical...you say seven of eight...yet there were only two in double figures today from my read of the box so it is actually six of the last eight with three in double figures for the GACkers.  Other than CSB and Carleton it is not like GAC is playing top teams right now...Bethel?  Auggie?  Mac?  Olaf?  SMU?  Scoring in double figures against those teams should be automatic.  Heck, even though St. Kate's is much improved and deservedly beat my Blazers they have been scored on a ton this season.  So, six of those eight you boast about are rather pathetic defensively.  And, they did not have three score in doubles against CSB.  So, take heart in having three big scorers against Carleton a few weeks ago...

I am just getting a tremendous laugh out of all this disrespect talk from the GACker fans.  There was NO talk from GACker fans about rankings until after they beat CSB last Saturday.  My goodness, you would think that beating the Blazers is a big deal down in St. Peter...all of the sudden they are a top 15 team, Pat Coleman and D3 hoops hates GAC and holds a grudge against them, and CSB fans have coronaries over two (not three) players scoring in double figures against that juggernaut Cardinal squad from St. Mary's!

[gacbacker]

  My goodness, you would think that beating the Blazers is a big deal down in St. Peter...

What are you saying that St. Ben's isn't good enought to be considered a quality win?

[Pat Coleman]

Methinks that merits a +1.

BTW, Ryan shot a photo gallery of Gustavus' women's game today.
http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=1554

Also shot one earlier in the season.