WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[blazerguy]

What's your evidence that your d2 transfer was "kidnapped" by Sinn and UST?

When a coach continues to recruit a player with the knowledge that the player has already committed, registered, announced and interviewed in the paper, to a rival school, I don't consider it ethical by the coach. I understand a "player" can change their mind, its the coach I have a problem with.

While it's obviously not the same gender, this is the exact reason why the men's coaching staff at GAC doesn't publicly discuss recruits. Especially with the media, but they typically won't even tell alumni who has committed until the fall when said person actually shows up on campus. Believe it or not, the St. Cloud Times doesn't actually have the authority to determine where someone goes to school.

This isn't a scholarship system. There are no hard-and-fast commitments — and even those are easily changed, as the recent D1 signing date for football just illustrated. Student-athletes change their mind all the time. With the way Durbin over-recruits every year, I'd actually be surprised if he hasn't been on the other end of this situation a few times in his career. That's not a dig, it's just the reality of the situation.

But if you're really that upset about this and have some sort of proof about "tampering" and how UST broke the rules, I'd suggest you contact Sinn and/or the MIAC office. If it actually happened, I'm assuming that would have taken place already by people more in-the-know than you.

In the meantime, this all just sounds like sour grapes and takes away from discussion about the playoff race, which is what you were pining for in the first place...

Then quit asking me about it or asking for "evidence". Sinn, in my opinion, is unethical. I will leave it at that.

[gacbacker]

I love that I bring up the unprofessionalism of the St. Ben's website with solid evidence of the fact and I am deemed a "whiner."

Then you throw out an accusation of another school being unethical in the recruitment of a student with no evidence, except "it happened just as I said...you can believe me or not." along with a disclaimer that you're not whining.

LOL. You almost can't make it up.

[LA RAMS]

What data? Not the data that I posted.

You think it's whining because someone said something not-complimentary about your school. The neutral guy over here -- the journalist and former SID -- thinks differently.

Nobody said it had to be mentioned in the headline. But the facts should be mentioned in the body copy.

Pat, your own data showed not all schools do it the same. Thank you for taking the time to research. I think its whining, we differ. Of course I am biased, that doesn't make me wrong. One click away for those interested. As I said before, how about we discuss something on the court, like the horrible officiating this year, the lack of ethics in recruiting, the rise of MAC., the fall of UST, etc.. etc..

You are really grasping at straws if you're trying to divert this conversation to the "fall" of UST. You do realize the Tommies have the exact same record at CSB, beat the Bennies on their home court in the first meeting and could move into second place with a win in Saturday's rematch?

If UST has fallen, which is a dubious claim at best, I'd be curious to hear your honest assessment of the Bennies...

Divert the conversation ??, it's the first time I have ever been accused of that. Usually its that I try keeping on with the conversation/discussion/argument. I'd be happy to keep the discussion going if that's what you want. I still think its whining about a trivial matter. That's why it should be over, its not a big deal.    Good question and finally some basketball talk, my "fall" of UST refers to the outstanding talent they have accumulated this year. My god, two D2 transfers at key positions most teams struggle finding players. I felt they should have dominated right from the start of the season. That its even a race this year is the big surprise. Take umbrage to my description if you want but if they don't win it all this year the Sinner should be fired!! My honest assessment of the Blazers this year. Sure, but is that in contrast to my dishonest assessment to follow??? Anyway, I think the Blazers have accomplished alot with major problems going into the season. Lets start with losing our point guard, top forward, and center from last years team. Then our top transfer was kidnapped by UST and a top recruit got a D2 scholarship 2 weeks before school started. Not whining just facts. With the team left CSB has managed to be at or near the top all year. Guilland has developed to be a major force under the basket, Stifter has raised her game to All Conference consideration, Bolin took over the point and has played admirably and we have gotten positive minutes from, Dale, Hylla and Wilcox. Where will CSB end up, the next 3 games will tell but I give Durbin a ton of credit for his coaching job this year.

Blazerguy...

To suggest that Maggie Bryant was somehow "kidnapped" or taken away from CSB by some other unethical means is simply out there in left field.  I'm sure you're disappointed that Bryant ultimately chose UST over CSB but, as WW said, there's simply no "hard" commitment at the D3 level.  And, as far as that goes, Sinn is one of the better coaches in the MIAC and her record proves that.

I thought, like most people, UST had an excellent shot at winning the conference this year given the talent they have.  But, in reality, this team misses last year's MIAC MVP Jessica Katch a lot more than they're willing to admit but they've done a pretty good job over the last several games winning 11 out of the last 13.  So, again, that's why tomorrow's matchup over at Ganglehoff Center is so huge for both squads.   

[blazerguy]

I love that I bring up the unprofessionalism of the St. Ben's website with solid evidence of the fact and I am deemed a "whiner."

Then you throw out an accusation of another school being unethical in the recruitment of a student with no evidence, except "it happened just as I said...you can believe me or not." along with a disclaimer that you're not whining.

LOL. You almost can't make it up.

You were whining about your player not having her name in the headline. I agreed its not there, no evidence needed. You call it unprofessionalism and point it out, I call it whining, So be it. How do you want the "evidence" about Sinn. Do you want me to show you the CSB student paperwork, or get a statement from her assigned roomate? I can look up the article in the St. Cloud paper that made it known to everybody except evidently Sinn. (that is NOT my source by the way). Do you want me to track down the players she was scrimmaging with at UST when Sinn kept talking to her every day,and get sworn affidavids? In my opinion Sinn was unethical, you don't believe it, OK, we disagree.

[gacbacker]

Let's be clear...it was not MY player...it was a concordia player I was advocating for. And it wasn't just omitted from the headline, it was omitted from the ENTIRE STORY!!!!!!! No mention of the player who hit a buzzer beater game-winner! And you call it whining. I call it ridiculous, pompous, selfish, and unprofessional. Who's running that sports information office anyways....oh that's right Durbin.

[Willy Wonka]

Let's be clear...it was not MY player...it was a concordia player I was advocating for. And it wasn't just omitted from the headline, it was omitted from the ENTIRE STORY!!!!!!! No mention of the player who hit a buzzer beater game-winner! And you call it whining. I call it ridiculous, pompous, selfish, and unprofessional. Who's running that sports information office anyways....oh that's right Durbin.

Box.

[blazerguy]

Let's be clear...it was not MY player...it was a concordia player I was advocating for. And it wasn't just omitted from the headline, it was omitted from the ENTIRE STORY!!!!!!! No mention of the player who hit a buzzer beater game-winner! And you call it whining. I call it ridiculous, pompous, selfish, and unprofessional. Who's running that sports information office anyways....oh that's right Durbin.

As you know it wasn't about the player, it was about your whining about the omission by CSB. You can call it whatever you want, i call it one click away.

[gacbacker]

I'm sure Durbin has a good excuse for the ommission. He was probably busy putting out an Amber Alert for Maggie Bryant.

[MIAC23]

I can't take this anymore! First time poster, Blazerguy, wow. First of all I think it has been proven that a normal SID would point out the player who made the shot for sure in the body of the article if not the headline. This was an obviously intentional ommision by the CSB sports information "staff".

Secondly about the stealing of players, not possible at the D3 level. If you thought you still had a chance to land a player before the first day of school why would you not go for it? There are no rules against this. It just sounds like Blazerguy has a dislike for Sinn, or anyone who has anything bad to say about his institution, no matter if they are right or not.

That is my two cents. I am sure Blazerguy will disagree with me, good for him, now lets move on.

[blazerguy]

I can't take this anymore! First time poster, Blazerguy, wow. First of all I think it has been proven that a normal SID would point out the player who made the shot for sure in the body of the article if not the headline. This was an obviously intentional ommision by the CSB sports information "staff".

Secondly about the stealing of players, not possible at the D3 level. If you thought you still had a chance to land a player before the first day of school why would you not go for it? There are no rules against this. It just sounds like Blazerguy has a dislike for Sinn, or anyone who has anything bad to say about his institution, no matter if they are right or not.

That is my two cents. I am sure Blazerguy will disagree with me, good for him, now lets move on.

Welcome to the board. I disagree. Lets move on.

[gacbacker]

Sounds like the Blazers/Tommies game was up for grabs in the last five minutes and the Blazers outplayed them late to earn the victory.

Good news for the Gusties today besides the win over Bethel: Simpson lost their second straight game this week which means the Gusties should be in position to move up in the regional rankings.

Two interesting games coming up on Wednesday: St. Thomas @ Gustavus and St. Ben's @ Hamline. All four teams trying to position themselves for the MIAC playoffs.

[Pat Coleman]

St. Thomas news release from today:
http://www.tommiesports.com/wbb/news/blazers213.html

Laura Canton scored 12 of her 15 points in the second half and the visiting Blazers had only 10 turnovers and outscored the Tommies 21-9 at the foul line in Saturday's 60-51 MIAC women's basketball victory in St. Paul. 

Amy Stifter added 15 points, eight rebounds, four steals and three assists for the Blazers, who have won eight of their last nine games. Heather Giillund was slowed by foul trouble but finished with 11 points, six rebounds and four blocks. 

St. Ben's remains in second place, one game behind Gustavus.  The Toms fell into a fourth-place tie with Macalester.

The Blazers, who ended UST's seven-game win streak, survived 29% shooting and helped limit UST to 30% shooting. CSB used a 15-2 run to end the first half with a 27-21 lead, and UST never led in the second half. 

The Toms pulled within 44-43 on Rachel Booth's 3-point basket with 6:00 left, but the Blazers used an 11-0 run over the next 5:20 to take control. 

Booth picked up two quick fouls and played just three minutes of the first half with no points. She finished with 14 points and 13 rebounds. 

UST plays Wednesday at Gustavus and closes the regular seaosn next Saturday at Hamline. 

Click here for box score: http://www.tommiesports.com/wbb/stats/2-13-wbb.htm   

[gacbacker]

In addition to Simpson's two losses this week, Cal Lutheran the No. 3 ranked team in the latest regional rankings also lost this week.

If I had to take a guess at next week's regional rankings:

1. George Fox
2. Puget Sound
3. Gustavus Adolphus
4. Occidental
5. Cal Lutheran
6. Simpson

St. Ben's could creep into the rankings at No. 6...depending on how far Simpson falls.

[blazerguy]

St. Thomas news release from today:
http://www.tommiesports.com/wbb/news/blazers213.html

Laura Canton scored 12 of her 15 points in the second half and the visiting Blazers had only 10 turnovers and outscored the Tommies 21-9 at the foul line in Saturday's 60-51 MIAC women's basketball victory in St. Paul. 

Amy Stifter added 15 points, eight rebounds, four steals and three assists for the Blazers, who have won eight of their last nine games. Heather Giillund was slowed by foul trouble but finished with 11 points, six rebounds and four blocks. 

St. Ben's remains in second place, one game behind Gustavus.  The Toms fell into a fourth-place tie with Macalester.

The Blazers, who ended UST's seven-game win streak, survived 29% shooting and helped limit UST to 30% shooting. CSB used a 15-2 run to end the first half with a 27-21 lead, and UST never led in the second half. 

The Toms pulled within 44-43 on Rachel Booth's 3-point basket with 6:00 left, but the Blazers used an 11-0 run over the next 5:20 to take control. 

Booth picked up two quick fouls and played just three minutes of the first half with no points. She finished with 14 points and 13 rebounds. 

UST plays Wednesday at Gustavus and closes the regular seaosn next Saturday at Hamline. 

Click here for box score: http://www.tommiesports.com/wbb/stats/2-13-wbb.htm   

Pat, thanks for posting, I assume you will be posting all CSB games from here on.

[Willy Wonka]

St. Thomas news release from today:
http://www.tommiesports.com/wbb/news/blazers213.html

Laura Canton scored 12 of her 15 points in the second half and the visiting Blazers had only 10 turnovers and outscored the Tommies 21-9 at the foul line in Saturday's 60-51 MIAC women's basketball victory in St. Paul. 

Amy Stifter added 15 points, eight rebounds, four steals and three assists for the Blazers, who have won eight of their last nine games. Heather Giillund was slowed by foul trouble but finished with 11 points, six rebounds and four blocks. 

St. Ben's remains in second place, one game behind Gustavus.  The Toms fell into a fourth-place tie with Macalester.

The Blazers, who ended UST's seven-game win streak, survived 29% shooting and helped limit UST to 30% shooting. CSB used a 15-2 run to end the first half with a 27-21 lead, and UST never led in the second half. 

The Toms pulled within 44-43 on Rachel Booth's 3-point basket with 6:00 left, but the Blazers used an 11-0 run over the next 5:20 to take control. 

Booth picked up two quick fouls and played just three minutes of the first half with no points. She finished with 14 points and 13 rebounds. 

UST plays Wednesday at Gustavus and closes the regular seaosn next Saturday at Hamline. 

Click here for box score: http://www.tommiesports.com/wbb/stats/2-13-wbb.htm   

Pat, thanks for posting, I assume you will be posting all CSB games from here on.

Why would you assume that?

It wouldn't surprise me if Pat posted this blurb because it shows how a real SID writes a game story — more Bennies were actually mentioned than Tommies. Oddly enough, the box score was also provided