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peachbasket · January 20, 2006, 09:13:30 PM

Okay, in my estimation, it's a 4-way race, statistically for the MVP:
Anna - 52% fg, 47% 3fg, 75% ft, 7.4 rbs, 6 ast, 11 tos, 26 stl, 19.4 ppg (if you look at last year's assist stats, she is ahead of where she was a year ago - team's probably shouldn't player her to pass!!!)
Bri - 55% fg, 31% 3fg, 74% ft, 6.6 rbs, 15 ast, 27 tos, 14 blks, 19.2 ppg
Erica O - 48% fg, 50% 3fg, 76% ft, 8.6 rbs, 11 ast, 41 tos, 17.9 ppg
Mel Hageman - 50% fg, 79% ft, 6.5 rbs, 17 ast, 35 tos, 14.2 ppg
We must of course consider Vig, who is very unselfish, but beginning to change that a bit.
I have to agree with Willy, the team who wins it, their player should get the nod for MVP! Go Cobbers!

gacbacker · January 21, 2006, 04:05:08 AM

Saturday's Predictions:

CSB at CON: Blazers play second worst game of the season - Cobbs by 4
GAC at HAM: The Gustie Alum curse continues as the Gusties are 10-0 all time against Herby and MYK - Gusties by 11
UST at CAR: Two young teams battle it out - Knights by 8
AUG at OLAF: The Auggies are bad...real bad - Oles by 12
SMU at KATES: Blah - Kate's by 6
MAC at BETHEL: Slumping Royals' prayers come true - win by 31

blazerguy · January 21, 2006, 10:27:25 AM

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Is that Durbin's typical postgame routine? Does he avoid shaking players hands at all times? If so, that's completely fine - if a bit weird - but it just seems strange when, as your fellow mentioned, he recruited Monahan to the point of her nearly stepping on campus and then couldn't/wouldn't/didn't offer any type of congratulations after she lit him up.

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I can't tell you what Mike's typical routine is, I haven't see him in every game, I also don't know what his relationship is with opposing players that he may have recruited. I can tell you he is a coach with the highest standards and a classy person that would never refuse to shake hands. Evidently I'm the only poster on the board that doesn't know your storied past.

Willy Wonka · January 21, 2006, 11:00:38 AM

Funny how a simple question about sportsmanship can turn into such a hubbub huh? Apparently CSB posters can make accusations and point fingers without any personal knowledge (Carleton earlier this season), but no one else can speculate on such things.

That's okay if you don't know my background, BG. CM doesn't know Monahan's background, but he posted like he did anyway. Assume away.

peachbasket · January 21, 2006, 03:51:36 PM

Concordia 78
St Ben's 69
Mel and Torri dominate the bennie posts!
Mel for MVP!!!

gacbacker · January 21, 2006, 10:24:17 PM

Bri, Bri, Bri for MVP. Sorry Peach, Hageman is playing well, but not Monahan-like. 31 points and 14 rebounds today making her a shoe in for player of the week after dropping in 26 including the winning basket against the Blazers.

Monahan moves into 1st place in the conference in scoring after today. Should be an interesting game in Moorhead on Wednesday...I would expect a few more points to be scored this time around.

So Blazer fans, was today the worst game of the year for your team or does the Gustie loss still rank first in that category?
Who would have thought that Heikenen and company would be sitting in third place this late in the season.

Willy Wonka · January 22, 2006, 02:03:41 AM

Ahhh, the blessed sound of silence! Congrats Cobbers! My dad will be up for the huge game Wednesday, if only to gloat about being on your Wall of Fame.

Two points for peach:

1. When considering conference awards, only MIAC stats count. There is a "Conference Only" link on the MIAC page to show those apart from the nonconference games.
2. Your girl looked good on the bench today.

Gusties came out sloppy today against Hamline, but went on a 11-0 run towards the end of the first half to pull away. In the ever-fluid MVP race, Monahan has to be the current leader with her recent play, but Hageman is right on her heels. Bri outplayed Mel last time, but the Gusties came out on the short end of the stick in that game. The losses - and fact she was outplayed in back-to-back games - drop Heikenen in my book. It should be a great finish for the MIAC title and the MVP.

With the Carlies winning today, the Bennies are now facing a lifeless gym at Olaf Wednesday and an improving Knights squad who already defeated CSB this season. Could we be looking at a 4-game slide and 4th place finish?

And, for the Bennies who now have bigger problems than an unsportsmanlike coach, I'll close with some classic Petty...

"I'm a bad boy, cause I don't even miss her. I'm a bad boy for breakin her heart ... and I'm freeeeeeeeeee - free fallin!"

peachbasket · January 22, 2006, 08:42:22 AM

WW,
Let me jump on this one before a bennie-fan calls you something worse than you called yourself, Petty, oh how petty! Whether intentional or not, GREAT double-meaning!
???When you say "my girl" are you refering to MYK???
Thanks for the stats note. Now, another question, along with MIAC stats, is the player's head-to-head statistics considered when voting. What I mean, is their performance head-to-head vs. other potential MVP candidates/top teams in the league? Mel vs Anna, Erica, Bri, Bri vs Anna, Erica, Mel... Those are interesting stats to pull!!

1/25/2006
Saint Benedict @ St. Olaf - Bennies are struggling, but not that much. Oles can't figure out the Auggies, so they WON"T figure out CSB, the gals from St. Joe's by 13.
Carleton @ Hamline - this one's tough. Hamline's talented, but has a fair amount of internal strife. Carleton gets along off the court, and is starting to figure out on-court "togetherness", they pull it "together" in a tight one by 6.
Gustavus @ Concordia - another great battle, that I predict we see one more time in the MIAC championship. The Cobbers who, "aren't that scary" are young, and at home. They hand the gusties and WW's dad a "L" by 7.
Macalester @ St. Thomas - UST needs a win, and Mac comes around at the right time. The best thing to look for in this one is will the Mac coach speak to the girls who requested her not to be their next coach at UST??
Augsburg @ Saint Mary's - Auggies, back on a roll and win one in a row, have to go to SMU, a tough road-trip, but I'm picking the doggies by 3.
St. Catherine @ Bethel - Bethel's roller coaster continues, Ahlberg wakes up for this one, and is too much for the katies. Bethel by 11.

blazerguy · January 22, 2006, 01:13:11 PM

Quote from: Willy Wonka on January 22, 2006, 02:03:41 AM
Ahhh, the blessed sound of silence! Congrats Cobbers! My dad will be up for the huge game Wednesday, if only to gloat about being on your Wall of Fame.

Two points for peach:

1. When considering conference awards, only MIAC stats count. There is a "Conference Only" link on the MIAC page to show those apart from the nonconference games.
2. Your girl looked good on the bench today.

Gusties came out sloppy today against Hamline, but went on a 11-0 run towards the end of the first half to pull away. In the ever-fluid MVP race, Monahan has to be the current leader with her recent play, but Hageman is right on her heels. Bri outplayed Mel last time, but the Gusties came out on the short end of the stick in that game. The losses - and fact she was outplayed in back-to-back games - drop Heikenen in my book. It should be a great finish for the MIAC title and the MVP.

With the Carlies winning today, the Bennies are now facing a lifeless gym at Olaf Wednesday and an improving Knights squad who already defeated CSB this season. Could we be looking at a 4-game slide and 4th place finish?

And, for the Bennies who now have bigger problems than an unsportsmanlike coach, I'll close with some classic Petty...

"I'm a bad boy, cause I don't even miss her. I'm a bad boy for breakin her heart ... and I'm freeeeeeeeeee - free fallin!"

You seem to be enjoying yourself. Go ahead take your shots now while you still can. Petty people do that!

There's a long way to go!!

Collegeville Magic · January 22, 2006, 07:01:39 PM

Enjoy the quiet while you can. I haven't actually heard anything about the game other than the few story lines (biased on both parts) on the respective Blazer and Cobber pages. Was anybody actually in Moorhead for the game? Any real analysis, or just premature celebrating?

Don't forget what happened last time CSB went into the playoffs as the 3 seed. Last season finished how? Oh yeah, Sweet 16.

I would guess that the biggest problem for the Blazers right now has been re-working the rotation, now that Boone is getting back in game shape. Having another talented post player is certainly great, but this fan's hypothesis is that, without a concrete lineup and sub pattern, some of the players might not be settled into their roles yet.

I don't see the 2 game losing "streak" as an issue right now, but I certainly would have been happier had my favorite squad come out on top of at least one of the last two games.

Willy Wonka · January 22, 2006, 08:16:42 PM

CM - The time before last CSB entered as the No. 3 seed, GAC sent them home early and you missed the tournament entirely despite being ranked in the top 10 at the end of the year. You may still emerge as the top dog, but the higher you finish the better, obviously. GAC and CC both control their own destiny at this point. Who would you rather be?

peach - You are a Cobber fan, right? Why would I mean MYK then?

Head-to-head stats matter, but it's really up to the coaches as to how much - it'd be just one of the criteria looked at I'd imagine. If, say, Durbin felt Heikenen and Monahan were tied at the end of the season, there's a good chance he's look at their stats against each other. Assuming Monahan wins the next matchup, I'd think that'd push her ahead of Heik, even in Durbin's eyes. Then again, maybe that's just me.

My top three MVP criteria would be: stats, teams record (reflecting leadership and personal effectiveness) and head-to-head play against other top contenders. This year may be unique in that I'd assume the top four candidates all spend time significant time guarding each other.

peachbasket · January 22, 2006, 11:25:38 PM

WW - MYK started her career at Concordia, that's why I wasn't sure who you were talking about when you said "your girl looked good on the bench today."
That's all.
I too would like to be a "Petty" fan, and start "running down a dream!" Go Cobbers!

gacbacker · January 23, 2006, 03:52:06 AM

Although she's not in my top 3 right now, watch out for Vig to make a push for MVP here in the second half of the season.

For some reason I just have a feeling that the Knights might have a strong second half and Vig could emerge.

As for the Gusties, to give you an idea of how good Monahan and Vadnais are, Monahan is on pace to break the Gusties all-time career scoring mark by the end of her senior year. And then Vadnais is on pace to top Monahan the following year.

That tells you that if this team can continue to get strong production from its role players that it has a chance to do something special not only this year, but next year as well.

LA RAMS · January 23, 2006, 08:59:48 AM

Nice wins Saturday for both the Knights and the Gusties. Did get to catch most of GAC's relatively easy win over a suddenly struggling Hamline squad that has looked good at times this year. Though I think it's premature to be handing anyone the MVP trophy right now I'd give the edge to Bri if I had to do it. There is a lot of ball left to be played, though, and I suspect both AH, Megan Vig, and probably Melanie Hageman to be in the mix before it's handed out.

A couple of tough losses for CSB but it would be a huge mistake to think they're down and out - at least they didn't duplicate their Stalingrad-like effort last year when they got rolled by 30+ down in N'field by my Knights. Would love to see the Gusties steal a huge one up in the Red River Valley region by beating the "Corn" but logic would have the Cobs holding serve at home. This second half is going to be VERY interesting.

Willy - Got up to St. Cloud Saturday night to watch UND hold off SCSU. Kristi was just money in the home stretch when things got a little tight. Think I got my money's worth.

Collegeville Magic · January 23, 2006, 10:54:17 AM

Willy- there's never anyone I'd rather be than a Blazer and Johnnie fan, regardless of record. CSB was the 3 seed last year, and beat Concordia and Carleton on the road in the MIAC playoffs. Is your selective memory working its magic again?

I'd be happier for the team if the Blazers had won the past two games, but that doesn't mean I'd rather be a GAC or a Cob.

It's premature to say the race is down to two teams, because we've already seen that (nearly) any team in the conference can lose to (nearly) any other team. I'm not willing to say that Carleton, UST, Hamline, and Bethel are going to roll over and die when playing CSB, GAC, or CC-M, and you never know when St. Kate's or St. Olaf will get lucky on a given night.