WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[onearmedscot]

Thought I would throw the latest feature of the oAs.com site up on the women's board as there is a Tammy Tantrum reference...

oAs.

[gunk]

GACker sketchy point of the day: Wonka trying to take attention away from the fact that his team got schooled at HOME with a conference title on the line...

What is this!! St Ben's "schooled" the Gusties?

                           St Bens              Gusties

Total FG's. . . . . . . 24-56. . . . . . . .  22-54
3-Pt . . . . . . . . . . .   2-13. . . . . . . .    5-12
Freethrows . . . . .  20-24. . . . . . . . .11-13
Off Rebounds. . . .      8   . . . . . . . .      7
Def Rebounds . .  .    26  . . . . . . . .      27
Total Rebounds . .    34   . . . . . . . .     34
Fouls. . . . . . . . . . .    14  . . . . . . . .     15
Total Points . . . . .     70 . . . . . . . . . . . 60
Assists  . . . . . . . .     11 . . . . . . . . . . .   8
Turnovers . . . . . . .    14 . . . . . . . . . .   16
Blocks . . . . . . . . .       5 . . . . . . . . . .     3
Steals . . . . . . . . . .     8 . . . . . . . . . . .  10

If you call a game that is statistically that close a "schooling", then your perception is skewed. If you're a fisherman, I'd want to see the fish you caught and not the one you want to tell me about!

This was a very good game, played hard by all participants. It had to have been extremely difficult for the Gusties, after losing their strongest point-guard on Wednesday to make adjustments in there game before playing the leading team
(Your Bennies) in the conference on Saturday.

As it was, they did a fine job, pulling to within 2 points in the second half and then not trailing by more than six until the very end when the usual game end fouls allowed St Bens to get their final points.

[Ghost of MIAC Past]

Everyone wants to talk about women trying to make their game more like the men's game.  Yet, when one women's team finally plays aggressive and physical like a men's team, they are called a dirty team and a bunch of thugs.  HoopsH, you've only posted three times, and I already think you are an idiot parent that only sees things one sided.  I suppose your daughter never fouls, gets fouled every time she shoots, and should be playing 40 minutes a game.  The reffing in the MIAC is awful, but they are not LETTING BU get away with dirty play.  Just cause your daughter has never played BIG TIME Basketball, don't think that the style needs to be the pansy high school version.  Suck it up and start playing the game the way it is supposed to be played.  Basketball is a contact sport.  Girls can be aggressive just like the boys and not be thugs.  The comments on Heather need to stop because no one on this site knows her nor what they are talking about.  If you daughter jacks someone, is she a thug?  End of story, let it go.

[Hoopsheart]

East Coast MIAC Fan,

Your response to the thuggery of the Bethal women's team does nothin' for the image of Bethal or Bethal supporters.  As for trying to make the women's game more like the men's...I've played and watched basketball for 45 years and if ANY mens team tried the same intimidation and outright cheap retaliation when they're gettin beat, they'd be run out of the gym first by thier own fans with the refs right behind 'em. 

This behavior is a coaching problem...at the very least the coach can't control his players, and at worst it's a coaching strategy.  It starts in the gym in practice and is played out on the court during games.  Don't give me that crap about makin' it as physical as the mens game...we are not talkin about good hard basketball, we're talkin about bump and run picks away from the ball, clothsline switches to the throat with elbows locked (intent to injure). and straight line elbows to the head in front of God and everyone.

As for my kid...she's one of the toughest players on her squad, she always has a bruised lip, black eye er other badge of hard play and she's one of the smallest players on the team.  You are , in my opinion, a major part of the problem  because you don't understand the game enough to recogonize or appreciate good, CLEAN, hard play from any team, yours or an oponent.  I hope the real Bethal fans can get this problem under control before you and a few out of control players smear the image of the whole school.

And if I see you in the gym after one of the games ...I'll show ya what I mean by dirty play!

KEEP THE FAITH AND STAY OUTTA MY WAY!!

[blazerball]

Heart,
How many times and how often have you been to a game at Claire Lynch?  You have been watching MIAC games for 3 years but I would be willing to bet that you have not been to Claire Lynch more than three games (at the outside four times).  But, that must make you an expert.  What terrible behavior have you observed in the stands?  The large group of nuns sitting right in the middle of the CSB side do tend to get rowdy and they are just nasty human beings.  All the people around the sisters take their lead from them and are just nasty and terrible people...spitting on opponents, cursing at and beating up players and fans from the other team, making sure that the walking path is extra slippery where the opponents will be walking, giving opponents cold water in the visitors locker room.  All that and we buy every referee...we give them cash, cars, jewelry...anything they want to make sure they call the game our way.  I'm just bummed that you and everyone else on the board is on to us..dang it...twenty years and someone finally figured us out!

gunk,
The "schooled" reference may not have been dead accurate but the fact remains CSB won in your house with a conference title on the line.  CSB was up eight at half - before Monahan got hurt - and was only in trouble for about four or five minutes in the second half when Monahan went off before taking back control.  But, if Monahan had played 40 minutes and never been injured then they would have dominated us...what am I thinking?  Linbo...their strongest point guard?  She was not even starting and had 35 assists and 33 turnovers before she got hurt.  But, hey, if Monahan had played 40 and Linbo was working her magic CSB could have never won...unless we bought the referees...like we always do!

[gunk]

blazerball:

We won at your house with Michelle Linbo!

I didn't mention referees, they didn't determine the outcome of this game.

[Collegeville Magic]

heartless- keep on saying that CSB has some mythical officiating edge.  If that helps you sleep after your girl's team loses to the Blazers, then so be it.  I have a guess about which team you cheer for, but since you're SOOO brave and can't even leave your e-mail address available to see, that's a good sign of your toughness.  I'm all about you helping call the Bethel "christians" to task, but there's a good reason current parents, players, and coaches don't post here.

M&G- On Wednesday, CSB hosts the lowest remaining seed (anybody who wins tonight except GAC is a possibility) and CC-M hosts the highest remaining seed.

My guesses for this evening:

Bethel @ GAC -- Davis re-opens the cut above Monahan's eye, and Monahan comes back to score 30.  GAC by 5

Hamline @ Carleton -- Hannah Oken Berg commits the first 5 actual fouls (according to herself and Tammy) of her collegiate career, and Ewert makes them pay.  Hamline by 2, and Tammy is sent to psych ward with uncontrollable stomping and grimacing relexes after the game.

[Collegeville Magic]

By the way, congrats to Anna Heikenen on a well-deserved Player of the Week award!  Nothing like clinching a conference championship to get CSB their first (how's that possible for the conference champs?) player of the week honor this year.

I would think that Anna has the inside track on MVP voting.  When she's on the floor, she's been the primary, and often secondary, focus for opposing defenses, and her senior leadership has made a huge difference in the development of some of the rookies on the squad.  Being second in the conference in both scoring and offensive boards is a big measure of a player's overall impact.

Monahan is probably a close second, with Vig and Hageman behind. 

[gacbacker]

Bri for MVP! 31 points and 13 boards including 3-3 from three point range...show me the box score where Heikenen did that?!?!?! Monahan and Vadnais were again awesome, but even more unbelievable was that Ahlberg didn't score her first point until there were 27 seconds left in the game. Thielke had 1 point until she made a three with under a minute left. A total of 7 points for the top two leading scorers.

Vadnais with 8 assists and only 1 turnover and a big night for Vicky Peterson with 7 boards including several huge Offensive boards and she added a team-high 5 steals as she played big minutes with Boese in foul trouble.

Wednesday should be very interesting as both games could go either way. The Cobbers have eeked out two- 2 point wins over the Gusties this year, the Gusties just might be ready to steal one.

Bri for MVP! You can't stop her, you can only hope to contain her!

[blazerball]

gacbacker...
Heikenen --- 31 and 6 against Bethel in December.  35 and 12 in the very first game of this year.  She had at least two 30 pt games as a junior and at least one as a sophomore.  I'm probably missing others.  Anna has also taken 44 fewer shots this year than Monahan (granted, Heikenen has played two fewer games but she would not make up 44 in two games - especially Macalaster when she would not have played anyway).  She has scored almost 1500 points in three and a half years.  She does not always have to be the leading scorer in order for her team to win - although some try to disqualify her for MVP because her team happens to have more talent than other MIAC teams.  The fact of the matter is she has been doing it just as well, if not better, than Monahan for a longer period of time...and that certainly does not take anything away from the wonderful season Monahan has had.

Have a good trip to Moorhead and enjoy the playoff run...remember, it's not about individual stats.  It's all about winning the conference (ask the Blazers about that) and then making it to the dance.  I'm quite certain Heikenen and the Blazers would let Monahan score 27 or 31 or whatever to be outright conference champs and the #1 seed...   

[gacbacker]

Blazerball, I said show me the boxscore where Heikenen went 3-3 from three point range.

Also I think Bri has a leg up on Heikenen for MVP...not only does she have better stats in fewer minutes per game, but add the general distaste that most coaches in the conference have for Durbin and the Blazers and I think Monahan is the favorite.

You have fun against Carleton on Wednesday...we'll be pulling for a Knight upset so that we might host the championship game.

[blazerguy]

East Coast MIAC Fan,

Your response to the thuggery of the Bethal women's team does nothin' for the image of Bethal or Bethal supporters.  As for trying to make the women's game more like the men's...I've played and watched basketball for 45 years and if ANY mens team tried the same intimidation and outright cheap retaliation when they're gettin beat, they'd be run out of the gym first by thier own fans with the refs right behind 'em. 

This behavior is a coaching problem...at the very least the coach can't control his players, and at worst it's a coaching strategy.  It starts in the gym in practice and is played out on the court during games.  Don't give me that crap about makin' it as physical as the mens game...we are not talkin about good hard basketball, we're talkin about bump and run picks away from the ball, clothsline switches to the throat with elbows locked (intent to injure). and straight line elbows to the head in front of God and everyone.

As for my kid...she's one of the toughest players on her squad, she always has a bruised lip, black eye er other badge of hard play and she's one of the smallest players on the team.  You are , in my opinion, a major part of the problem  because you don't understand the game enough to recogonize or appreciate good, CLEAN, hard play from any team, yours or an oponent.  I hope the real Bethal fans can get this problem under control before you and a few out of control players smear the image of the whole school.

And if I see you in the gym after one of the games ...I'll show ya what I mean by dirty play!

KEEP THE FAITH AND STAY OUTTA MY WAY!!

I hope your kid has more class than you are showing. My guess is that she does, it amazes me how good most of the kids turn out in spite of over zealous parents!

[Willy Wonka]

bb - It doesn't disqualify her by any means. However, as I was telling a Bennie the other night - who agreed with me btw, Bri means TONS more to her team than Heikenen does to hers. Same with Hageman. There's a chance neither team makes the playoffs without either of those players, whereas the Bennies would still be a top 4 team without Anna. The MVP is obviously very subjective, so we'll see how much that point matters to the coaches around the league.

I'll be interested to hear the take of tonight's game by a BU backer, if any are out there. They were called for around 8-10 relatively benign fouls in the post - when GAC was trying to establish position or when GAC was just holding the ball with their back to the basket - because they were simply pushing with two hands in the back. Good calls all, but it has to be a coaching technique to happen that consistently with multiple offenders. That said, GAC may have been the "cheap" team on the court tonight.

In the second half of a very physical game, Vicky P threw an elbow at a Royal who was reaching in after a rebound - ala Davis - and was called for a foul. The coaches exchanged smiles about it and neither complained, which was strange. It wasn't a "guys basketball" play, no matter what east coast would have you believe. It was uncalled for, just as Boese's shoulder was after the whistle after being almost tackled by Davis with no foul called the possession before. I'm hesitant to use the term "goon" with her though. Annoying, wild and overly physical, but she didn't seem vicious...tonight anyway.

It was a physical game that I thought was fairly well officiated - mark that down, it won't be said again anytime soon - but I'm sure a Royal would disagree. Tough way to end the season for the seniors.

[Hoopsheart]

Blazerball,

I have seen the thuggery this year in two games at Bethal and away...I have seen the effects of it when playin the Blazers right after the thugs got ta Heikkenen and go ask the Gusties.  This is really disappointing to read a bunch of adult wanna-be's who get all confused when someone calls 'em out on behavior that's happenin right in front a their noses.  I don't hafta have seen 20 years of MIAC or Bethal hoops to recognize dirty play in the two games I saw THIS YEAR.  Mark my words, if something is not done, hopefully by the Bethal administration, fans and a cooperating coach, this will end up staining the MIAC, someone is gunna get seriously hurt ...you bozos who are tryin' ta psuedo-macho rationalize this stuff are not doin' yourselves or yer teams any favors.

KEEP THE FAITH AND STAY AWAY FROM THE KIDS, THEY DESERVE BETTER'N YOU ARE!

[Ghost of MIAC Past]

Hoops, is an adult wanna be some one that threatens another poster if they ever see them?  That's a real adult move there.  I still think you are full of crap, and an idiot parent that has no clue.  I know the entire BU team and coaches.  They do not TEACH a team to be thugs, nor is the BU squad a bunch of thugs.  Through your rose colored glasses they may look like thugs because they hurt your precious daughter.
Yes, BU is taught to play physical, but not cheap.  The more physical teams are usually the ones that win games.  So why don't you get off the board since you have no clue what you are talking about.

The last thing is this.  If you are going to bash a school, at least spell it right.  Bethel does not have an A in it.  Moron.