WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Ghost of MIAC Past]

James T Kirk- Bethel always plays poorly at Augsburg.  They also always lose at SMU.  That happened.  They are starting to turn things around, like beating Concordia, which few have done this year.  I have a feeling that at home, BU will give CSB a run for their money.  They have the size to match up inside.  They have the athletes to keep up with outside.  They have the offense to score a bunch of points.  It was pretty heated last game, I'm thinking the home team takes this one after getting their bad game out in Auggie land.  Should be a good one, and CSB has seemed vulnerable lately.

[peachbasket]

1/30/2006 (Monday)
Gustavus @ St. Thomas - gusties pay back a very average gotch-less tommie team - they win by 16.
Augsburg @ Carleton - carls over auggies by 11
St. Olaf @ Macalester - who cares
Saint Benedict @ Bethel - bennies by 15
Hamline @ St. Catherine - upset special - katies by 9


So happy to see I have a new fan!

[peachbasket]

So gustie fans, how ugly was that game??  The tommies scored 9 in the first half??? YIKES!!  That had to be painful to watch!  51-32
The bennies just pulled out an equally defensive outing against the christians, 91-88.
2/1/2006 (Wednesday)
St. Thomas @ Augsburg - tommies have a tough one against the gusties, and possibly lost another key player, the auggies get them by 7.
Saint Mary's @ Bethel - hopefully the christians didn't use up all their offense vs. the bennies, they eek it out by 9.
Macalester @ Concordia - can mac save a little money and just phone this one in??  My cobbers will be well rested, and not a good thing for the scots.  Cobbs by 20.
Gustavus @ Carleton - The gusties were under-impressive offensively tonight, perhaps saving it up for the knights?  I think the knights are hard to sweep, and catch the gusties at home by 7.
Hamline @ St. Olaf - Oles are so unpredictable, and hamline, well, just the same.  These were two potential play-off teams that are fighting for some respect.  I'll take the home team by 2.
St. Catherine @ Saint Benedict - Bennies starting to feel it offensively, they beat up the katies by 19.

[blazerguy]

blazerguy - If your mom said it was snowing but you didn't see, is that considered hearsay? If the snow was verified by 5-10 other people whom you trust, am I then allowed to believe those with first-hand knowledge? Maybe we should consult a lawyer on how many witnesses it takes to convict someone of wrongdoing?

Or maybe you can just admit Durbin didn't shake hands and is less of a coach/man for it and we can all move on? Sheesh 

Maybe we can just admit in your eyes Durbin can do no right. Now that you've been caught confusing hearsay with facts, we can all move on!! Oh, and to use your witness analogy, they could convict, but you could not, it would be considered "hearsay".

[gacbacker]

Durbin Schmurbin...who cares! This is a three week old argument. Enough already.

Looks like the Blazers and Royals were back and forth all night. Did Goehner really start? Did Nikki Carter really take five three's and make three of them? I saw Carter play in high school fairly often and she could go five or six games without even attempting five shots total.

As for the Gustie/Tommie game...the Gustie defense was simply suffocating. 9 points in a half has to be some kind of record for both GAC and UST.  Katch got hurt tonight in the first half and if she is out for any lengthy period of time the tommies are in big trouble. Can either St. Kate's or Hamline step up and grab this opportunity to make a rare appearance in the playoffs? Kate's scored a big win tonight over the Pipers who continue to underachieve. Must have been sweet for Petrich tonight.

[LA RAMS]

Wish I could have made the GAC - UST game last night.  Sounds like the Gusties were trying to emulate Dryer, Youngblood, Brooks, Fanning & the rest of the Blue & Gold Gang by holding the Purple to 9 (!) first half points enroute to a 51-32 romp over the Tommies.  OUCH indeed.  With Gotchnik already out and now with Katch possibly out for an indefinite period the Tommies could be in some serious doo-doo here.  I did catch most of St. Kate's win over Hamline (can ANYONE figure out that team?) and it wouldn't shock me one bit if they overtook the Tommies for that last playoff spot. 

I do plan on being down in N'field Wednesday night for the GAC - Carleton clash.  It should be a good one.  No doubt the Gusties need this one to keep on the heels of Concordia.  The Vig-Monahan duel should be great down low.  Thank God this little shindig starts at 7:30 instead of that ridiculous 5:45 starting time.

91-88 last night over in Arden Hills???     

[James T. Kirk]

Thanks East Coast, can Bethel beat SMU at home?  You were right about the Bethel – Bens game being close.  The game appeared to be a must see game, so I headed over to Bethel to watch, and I wasn't disappointed.   At the beginning of the game both teams were shooting the lights out, Bethel was getting the ball inside to there posts (they scored 57 of Bethel's 88), Bens wanted it more on the boards and got extra looks because of it, Bethel (Davis) did a nice job guarding Anna H., Bens has got some speed (most noticeable was Tauer) and needs to exploit it more.  These teams match up well against each other, but it was too bad that the officiating was OFF (trying to be nice) and helped to determine the outcome. >

[Ghost of MIAC Past]

Although a Ben's fan will argue differently, the officiating at most Ben's games is a little off.  Most refs believe CSB is SOOO much better than every team they face, that CSB gets the benefit of a lot of calls.  It's something you have to reliaze most night you play CSB.  It's 5 on 8.

As for BU and SMU, BU has only beaten SMU once under Herbie, and it was the first year when both teams were not that great.  I believe that BU at home will be a different story than down there because BU plays a lot better at home.  Also, I don't anticipate the melt down that happened down there either.  BU has always played SMU tough at home, and this is the year they knock them off again.

[Willy Wonka]

EC - Uh oh...fear the Bennie wrath! 

The Gusties have been a little lucky the last two games. Two of St. Kates top players had been sick with the flu all week prior to Saturday's game and barely played/played poorly. Then GAC played an injury-depleted St. Thomas last night. Hopefully Mickey will be pointing out the negatives rather than let the team think the final margins were significant.

GAC raced to early leads in both games, but stunk up the joint in the first 5 minutes or so of the second half. Thankfully, the halftime leads proved enough to offset the sketchy play. They'll need to play much better and more consistent to beat the Carlies on the road tomorrow.

[Ghost of MIAC Past]

WW- if I stilled lived in MN, and I gave a crap what a Bennie thought, I'd be worried.  Luckily, I don't live in MN any more, and I don't give a crap.  I know from experience about the refs, and don't worry Blazerguy, it's not from HEARSAY.

[Collegeville Magic]

Actually Willy, no wrath needed, thank you very much.  I'll let The Christians smite me instead.  They've got a very talented team, and last night was a great game!

If Bethel fans need to say that the refs "won" the game last night in order to sleep soundly, then they can believe whatever they need to.  I'm a little curious as to how somebody on the east coast can comment on officiating of games he/she isn't personally watching.  Sounds a little "hearsay-esque" to me.     

I'm going to stick to what most of us have been saying all year:  
MIAC refs are bad.  
MIAC refs are inconsistent.  
MIAC refs miss calls.  
MIAC refs invent calls that they think they see.
MIAC refs help keep blowouts under control.  
MIAC refs don't always seem to understand the rulebook.  
MIAC refs would be better off watching the games from the stands.
MIAC refs are whistle-happy
MIAC refs are afraid to blow the whistle.
MIAC refs help the home team.
MIAC refs help the "better" team.
MIAC refs are blind, deaf, and dumb.
MIAC refs make calls because they don't think some players are athletic enough to do what they just did.
MIAC refs were trained by Hellen Keller.
MIAC refs "are missing a good game"
MIAC refs stink.

And, finally, an opinion shared by most on the board...
MIAC refs don't win or lose a game, that's up to the players.

Wow, all that, and my blood pressure hasn't ticked up a point in the process...  Go BLAZERS!!!!!

[Ghost of MIAC Past]

I personally did not say that the refs cost BU the game last night.  Mr. Kirk alluded to it.  I do have vast experience with MIAC refs though, and to my other comments, those are not based on hearsay.

So sorry all powerful and wonderful CM, knower of all that is right and good.  I have thus proven you wrong, for maybe the first time ever, and I banish you from making statements without fully reading a post again.

Okay???

And yes, the refs are biased to CSB in MOST cases.

[Maroon&Gold]

I was not anywhere close to the CSB and Bethel game last night, but I will weih in with my opinion about MIAC refs.

You guessed it...They are BAD

An I may be opening a whole new can of worms here, but there is one that really drives me nuts in particular.  The female ref with the boy-cut hair (short and spiky) who looks to be about early to mid 30's. I am usually not one to mudsling, but she is Horrible.  Anyway, I am sure we all have our favorite zebra.


p.s.  Which one is "Marty"??

[James T. Kirk]

My comment on the officiating was not meant to imply that the refs cost Bethel the game.  It was meant to imply that horrible calls both ways lead to the eventual end; be it Bethel being close when they should not have or Bethel losing when they should have won.  As a good coach should, Mr. Durbin spent a great deal of time influencing the refs on marginal calls.  The game did have one of the worst none calls (since the Nate Wright – Drew Pearson call in the NFC Championship) that I've seen.  With Bens up by one, and less then 4 seconds left, Bethel in-bounded the ball three quarters the length of the floor to Cotner who was essentially tackled without a call.

[Collegeville Magic]

Capt. Kirk- "These teams match up well against each other, but it was too bad that the officiating was OFF (trying to be nice) and helped to determine the outcome."

I don't read that as implying, I read that as an outright statement.


ECMF-

Hearsay is defined (dictionary.com) as:
1.  Unverified information heard or received from another, or rumor.
2.  (Law) Evidence based on the reports of others rather than the personal knowledge of a witness and therefore generally not admissible as testimony.

If you haven't been at the games this year, then anything you post about the games is based on things you hear (or read) about them.  Therefore, hearsay in the legal definition.  We all use it, we all enjoy it, and refuting it is what helps keeps this board fun. 

Since I have been declared the knower of all that is good and true, I hereby propose that "hearsay" be used with positive connotations.  I don't want "hearsay" to have its feelings hurt just because it can't be used in court.

I'm no more right or wrong than anybody on this board (except maybe the now-absent UST contingent), but I do love the conspiracy theories that CSB has an unfair advantage, so keep 'em coming!  It's starting to sound like the rest of the conference's issues with SJU football.  Being consistently good makes lots of people mad.