WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Da-dented1]

A question for all;

Does anyone think the current MIAC schedule of three games per week has any effect on the rash of injuries? Is there a relation between the number of games (And associated fatigue) in January and the recent injuries?

Respecting the fact that others years have had fewer numbers of injuries, I'm just wondering out loud here.

Thoughts?

New on the board - excuse the unfamiliarity.

I'd like you posters to give the quote from Cager some consideration and thoughts.  How about we do a little brainstorming on what could be done about something that I think has some validity to possible increase in injuries, etc.  By reviewing other conferences such as UMAC, IIAC, and WIAC, note the number of games, number of Teams in the conference and game schedules in January. 

[Cager]

Da-dented- Welcome to the board, don't be a stranger!

I was beginning think no cared...sniff

[Da-dented1]

Thanks!!!  Have read the board and USUALLY enjoyed all of it. Seriously would like to get the thoughts on the January scheduling issue!  No practice time, just shooting and walkthroughs.

[cobbernation]

Cobbers lose on the road at Carelton by 1.  They let the knights score a layup with 2 secs left in the game.  Tough way to lose.

[Korn Lover]

Tough one in Tammyland tonight. Both teams fought hard and had plenty of ref issues to complain about, depending on the flow.

Cobbers spot the Knights a 14 pt. lead and chip away to take a 5 pt. lead in the last 3 minutes.

Before I make a complete fool of myself, I need input from my colleagues who know the rules. I believe that this year, a player on the way out of bounds in not able to call a timeout. Do others undertand that rule this year as well?

I'd appreciate validation or correction.

[Collegeville Magic]

Korn- You're correct. A time out can only be granted to a player with posession of the ball, both feet in bounds and in control of his/her balance.  You're not supposed to get the "falling out of bounds on the sideline" call, the "one foot down on the way out" call, or the old "jumping after a loose ball and calling for the timeout before you land" call either.

Did the Knights (sarcastic gasp) come away with a contested TO in a key situation?  That would never happen with the Terrible one stomping her way around the sidelines...

[LA RAMS]

Another interesting night last night as the Knights escaped at home handing the Corn yet another conference blemish.  CSB handled SMU and GAC fended off an unusually hot-shooting Augsburg bunch.  What surprised me was how Bethel handled Hamline (again) and St. Olaf knocking off UST.    What's up with UST, anyway?

Congrats to Jess Vadnais on her 1000-point milestone last night.   

[Korn Lover]

Collegeville-Thanks, I thought I understood the rule.

So, with 8 seconds on the clock and the Cobbers up by one, a Knight makes a steal at the Cobber end. Falling out of bounds (One foot on the "A" in Carleton on the end line-right in front of me), she calls time out and GETS it! Ref totally blows the call and what's worse, his partners do nothing to help him.

Knights throw a half court pass, make a drive and score with 2 seconds left. No chance for the Cobbers to respond.

Don't get me wrong, Cobbers shot under 40% for the night and spotted the Knights a 14 pt. lead. But, after scratching their way all the back to take a lead and have a blown call determine the outcome re-enfores my position about the poor quality of MIAC officiating.

The league is too competitive for this!

[Nites]

Collegeville-Thanks, I thought I understood the rule.

So, with 8 seconds on the clock and the Cobbers up by one, a Knight makes a steal at the Cobber end. Falling out of bounds (One foot on the "A" in Carleton on the end line-right in front of me), she calls time out and GETS it! Ref totally blows the call and what's worse, his partners do nothing to help him.

Knights throw a half court pass, make a drive and score with 2 seconds left. No chance for the Cobbers to respond.

Don't get me wrong, Cobbers shot under 40% for the night and spotted the Knights a 14 pt. lead. But, after scratching their way all the back to take a lead and have a blown call determine the outcome re-enfores my position about the poor quality of MIAC officiating.

The league is too competitive for this!

Was it the same officiating crew that blew the call that would have given Carleton the ball at the end of the game in Concordia that Carleton lost when the Cobbers subsequently scored?     Of course, Carleton could have helped its cause in that game by not allowing about 4 offensive rebounds before the game winning points were scored.

[Willy Wonka]

Seriously would like to get the thoughts on the January scheduling issue!  No practice time, just shooting and walkthroughs.

Injuries are a part of athletics, in any sport and at any level. Sadly, ACL injuries are simply much more likely to happen with females.

That said, you can't cut practice time for fear of injuries. Some teams — SMU pops to mind quickly — need as much work as they can get fielding a competitive team. Among the better teams, it may seem a more likely solution...but I still wouldn't recommend it. As someone who spent the better part of my last four athletic seasons (two football, two basketball) doing as you suggest — walkthroughs and shooting, then starting — due to various injuries, it's impossible to step right in and not expect any dropoff in production and/or comfort level. I can't imagine how ugly it'd be if everyone on a team tried that method.

[Korn Lover]

Nites- Actually, I think one of the refs was at the game in Moorhead! However, it was not that ref who blew the call.

Like I said, the Cobbers shooting a woeful percentage and poor first half play were major factors in the loss.

Point well taken

[Da-dented1]

Willy Wonka - Thanks for the input.  Lets think about this as you are going along through this drawn out meatgrinder; the athlete and/or the Coach.
Saturday game, Sunday practice, Monday game, Tuesday practice, Wednesday game, Thursday off, Friday practice, Saturday game etc............
     For example - - Stout from Jan 1 (12 games with 2 weeks where they have 1 game) - - St Bens from Jan 1 (18 games steady grind through Jan and on into Feb). The last 2 weeks 2 games/week, whew!!.  Kudos to Coaches who can do those little things to keep the women sharp.  You board posters have asked "whats going on with UST".  Had the opportunity to see Carleton @ GAC, saw especially 2 rag Dolls "Lincoln and Oken-Berg".  They were either close to ill or Tammy had a pretty go for them the day before. You are the Coach, you see you need some grooming as a Team, and/or you want to install some new wrinkles.  How is this done with this schedule? Who is the MIAC schedule made for?  Who is the WIAC schedule made for? Is this a title 9 Issue?   

[gacunk]

Da-dented1 - How do you see the MIAC schedule as a title 9 issue? MIAC games are double headers with the men and the women playing the same schedule. Although it is a terrible schedule and not conducive to good play or good health, the women are playing an identical schedule as the men. That's equality in this case. I believe that it is imperative that the AD's and coaches address this issue for both men and women when next years schedule is established.

[hoopscoopsmiac]

Injuries are a part of athletics, in any sport and at any level. Sadly, ACL injuries are simply much more likely to happen with females.

That said, you can't cut practice time for fear of injuries. Some teams — SMU pops to mind quickly — need as much work as they can get fielding a competitive team.
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Man Wonka, SMU must be your favorite team!!!

[gacunk]

As an afterthought to the schedule. It would be interesting to check with the athletic trainers across the MIAC to see if this season has produced more fatigue and injuries
this year than prior years for both the men's and women's leagues. If the statistics prove out, it would be a strong point toward more reasonable future schedules.