BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference

Ralph Turner · April 08, 2009, 11:30:49 AM

Quote from: TexasBB on April 08, 2009, 11:19:35 AM
From the Handbook:
Regional Alignments
Each Division III men's baseball team is assigned to one of eight geographic
"evaluation" regions. The primary criteria used for ranking and selection is based on how a team performs against other Division III "in-region" teams. In addition, results versus Division III opponents within 200 miles or less of a team's campus, but outside its assigned geographic region, will be considered "in-region" and part of the primary selection/ranking criteria. And finally, the championships committee has expanded the definition of an in-region contest to include "all competition within an institutions membership geographical region (Bylaw 4.12.1.1)." The country is divided into four membership regions. For most institutions, the change in definition should result in an expanded list of potential in-region opponents than in the past.

Mississippi College was assigned to the West Region whereas Millsaps was assigned to the South region. You will note the expanded definition: "Results versus versus DIII opponenents within 200 miles or less of a teams campus but outside its assigned georgraphic region witll be considered in region..."

I interpret that to mean that when Millsaps plays MC it is considered "in-region" for both teams but MC would count it as to its record in the West region and Millsaps at to its record in the South Region. (So they are not in both regions.)

Still somewhat confusing since when the powers that be are ranking MC in the West Region it would count the loss against Millsaps as a region loss but would get to consider Millsaps record when determining whether it was a bad loss or not.

At least that is my interpretation.

Yes, Millsaps got 2 in-region wins. That is good for them. I think that Millsaps is a Pool C team if they don't win the conference tourney.

The NCAA allows in-region games as defined by these definitions.

1) Evaluation Regions of which Millsaps is South and Mississippi College (and Ozarks and Louisiana College) have appealed to be re-assigned to the West Region.

2) Adminstrative Regions within the NCAA -- see Handbook

3) 200-mile radius.

The NCAA alllows a multi-region conference to appeal for multi-region status so its conference games can count as in-region.

tloc14 · April 08, 2009, 12:48:23 PM

Oh, i guess i fouled up thinking Millsaps was in La.

Difficult rulings for teams that border 2 regions.

Jack Parkman · April 08, 2009, 01:32:59 PM

Quote from: baseballfan24 on April 08, 2009, 10:45:30 AM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on April 08, 2009, 02:25:20 AM
Millsaps is from Tenn. not Louisiana.
Quote from: tloc14 on April 08, 2009, 01:50:01 AM
Millsaps is considered out of region? They are from Louisiana right? Is that a border state when it comes to region lines?

Or are you pointing out that they played many of the western teams in that league except Millsaps? I am easily confused.

Actually, Millsaps is located in Jackson, Mississippi.

Ummmm yeah, thats what I meant

TexasBB · April 08, 2009, 04:09:03 PM

Ralph,

When I went to the main board on this site and a list of teams by Region it is listing MC as being in the West Region as well as Ozarks and LC. But you indicated that in fact they are in the South Region and are appealing. So the website is in error?

Ralph Turner · April 08, 2009, 04:16:21 PM

Quote from: TexasBB on April 08, 2009, 04:09:03 PM
Ralph,

When I went to the main board on this site and a list of teams by Region it is listing MC as being in the West Region as well as Ozarks and LC. But you indicated that in fact they are in the South Region and are appealing. So the website is in error?

My bad!

About 7-8 years ago, they were considered South Region, but they appealed and were moved into the West Region so the ASC would be considered in the same region. (I think that I remember that Handbook being that way! I have lost the URL to the server that kept the old Handbooks.)

They are in Admin Region #3 so they get to count all of those teams on Admin Region #3 as in-region games. (Have you noticed that Illinoios Wesleyan (Admin Region #4) plays Miss Coll on its spring trip? Not an in-region game.

tloc14 · April 09, 2009, 02:05:13 AM

A little off topic, but I got the chance to play in Illinois during the summer a while back, and played my summer team's home games at Illinois Wesleyan. It is a teriffic facility. If anyone has the chance to make a trip up to Bloomington, IL, they should stop by and take a look at the field.

The only thing that I did not like was that there was a Hospital across the street, I think it was in left-center. Anyhow, when the sun was right, sunlight hit that pale brick building and lit it up. Batters found it very difficult to pick up the baseball out of pitchers' hands, especially right handed pitchers.

A little bit of unimportant info pertaining to daytime games at Ill. Wesleyan.

tloc14 · April 09, 2009, 01:30:06 PM

I would love to see someone start a big preseason tournament that includes alot of the big boys from around the country. Every year, we compare teams in our area to teams around the nation, I think this preseason tourney might be a really neat way to get some sort of feel for how all these teams stack up.

Obviously, this is wishful thinking. After watching the NCAA mens basketball tournament, I thought of this. In men's D1 basketball, they have a preseason NIT that includes many big names from across the nation. It would be great if something like this could happen in D3 baseball. I know the money involved with travel, etc would almost certainly make this impossible, but heres how I would draw it up.

Have a 10-16 team tournament. Split the brackets in 2 groups of 5 (or 8 ), and have one group play a round-robin in Abeline, while the other group plays a round robin in Tyler. The top 2 teams after the initial play from each bracket could meet in Dallas and have a double elim tournament. Could start the play the weekend before spring break, and finish up the tournament the following weekend. Invite all the big names: Eastern Conn. St, Chapman, Pomona, Millsaps, George Fox, Emory, Marietta, UW Whitewater...

I know this probably would not happen, but how great would it be to have a preseason NIT of sorts for D3 Baseball!?
Sure would be fun.

Ralph Turner · April 09, 2009, 04:11:46 PM

Update on games today...

Schreiner is leading TLU in Seguin 5-1 in the top of the 4th.

McMurry scored 5 in the top of the first against HPU. The Jackets responded with 7 in the bottom of the inning. McMurry came back with 4 in the top of the 2nd and then held HPU in the bottom of the inning. McMurry 9 HPU 7 going to the third in Brownwood.

McM 9 runs, 5 earned on 10 hits and no errors
HPU 7 runs, all earned on 7 hits and one error.

McMurry 11-8 going to the top of the 4th.

Schreinier leads TLU 8-7 one out and Chris Green on first for the Bulldogs in the bottom of the 6th.

dp643 · April 09, 2009, 04:30:40 PM

UMHB up 4-2 over Concordia in the top of the 8th.

dp643 · April 09, 2009, 05:03:54 PM

CTX wins 5-4. No details about the game.

Ralph Turner · April 09, 2009, 05:38:41 PM

TLU 19-8 in the bottom of the 8th

McMurry 17 HPU 9 going to the bottom of the 7th. Dakota Smith in for Kyle Martin for McMurry.

McMurry is up 26-10 in the top of the 8th! (Wind?!?!)

Final TLU 19-8

Final McM 26, HPU 10.

According to SRSU Livestats HSU beat Sully 15-6. the Cowboys hung a 12-spot on the Lobos in the 6th.

Jerry Sotello, the venerable voice of the last frontier, will have the broadcast of the DH tomorrow.

http://www.sulross.edu/pages/4233.asp

Dawgsdad · April 09, 2009, 10:39:34 PM

Looks like the west remains tight with results of todays activities unchanged... What will tomorrow bring? Looks like the number one spot will come down to head to head play next week in Abilene...

I will admit that it was a bit uneasy watching the first few innings in Seguin. I don't recall if Orsey has every given up multiple run homeruns early in a game... very unusual for sure. ShU's starter work well for a while - threw too many breaking balls in the end...

Good to see CTX get on the positive side of the ledger... will they try and sneak in the backdoor while no one's looking???

Ralph Turner · April 09, 2009, 10:41:09 PM

Was the wind blowing out in Brownwood today?

That is a lot of runs! 36!

Brownwood Bulletin says the gusts were up to 50 MPH's.

tloc14 · April 10, 2009, 03:26:12 AM

UT Tyler edged out LC 4-2 in a game where neither team managed an extra base hit. UTT managed to produce some runs by bunting runners over and driving them in via sac flies and/or singles. Big win. Pineville is a difficult place to go play at.

Mississippi College beat Ozarks 8-3 and remains 1 game back in the east. Bo Bell continues to produce and has 51 RBI on the season.

Things are heating up. It looks as if MC is really starting to peak at the right time.
Also, it looks like McM is beginning to really pour it on. They have a very favorable schedule left and could very well push TLU for the #1 seed out of the west.

hsusid · April 10, 2009, 08:25:54 AM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 09, 2009, 10:41:09 PM
Was the wind blowing out in Brownwood today?

That is a lot of runs! 36!

I am sure it was. When I left Abilene at 1 the wind was sustained winds at 42 MPH with gusts to 55. It did not let up all the way to Alpine. Fortunately, it died in Alpine when the sun went down.

This has been by far the windiest spring I have seen in my 10 springs in Abilene.