BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference

dp643 · March 26, 2011, 11:54:05 AM

JSG,

As I understand it Newman had some off the field issues as well his senior year that could attribute to some of that as well.

On video (granted its hard to get a real good grasp on everything through the video feed) Orosey looked just as good as I have ever seen him. Through the first 8 innings, hitters were swinging at sliders that they were absolutely fooled on. He was working both corners with his fastball very efficiently, and looked to be throwing about 7-8 MPH harder than Graham from UMHB. Im wondering if maybe he didnt throw too many sliders, and that possibly caught up with him in the end.

Im thankful I never had to face Orosey because I couldn't hit a slider to save my life. Although Enloe did made me look stupid a few times.

Were you in attendance yesterday JSG? How would you rate Orosey yesterday.

dp643 · March 26, 2011, 04:31:36 PM

UMHB gives up 2 in the bottom of the 6th to lose game one today. Back and forth game.

TexasBB · March 26, 2011, 05:20:00 PM

UTT bounced back in the first game today. Sherman pitched well. I guess no injury issues. They won 7-1. UTT leading UTD in the 5th 7-3 in the second game.

Texas BB

dp643 · March 26, 2011, 05:51:51 PM

UMHB Wins 8-1 in game three to take the series 2 games to 1.

TexasBB · March 26, 2011, 06:53:09 PM

UTD comes back and scores 4 in the bottom of the 8th and holds UTT scoreless in the 9th for a 10-9 win. UTD takes 2 out of 3.

UTT shows chinks in the armor as the bullpen falls short.

Texas BB

Ralph Turner · March 26, 2011, 07:11:14 PM

Quote from: TexasBB on March 26, 2011, 06:53:09 PM
UTD comes back and scores 4 in the bottom of the 8th and holds UTT scoreless in the 9th for a 10-9 win. UTD takes 2 out of 3.

UTT shows chinks in the armor as the bullpen falls short.

Texas BB

Balance in the ASC. We really don't have the dominant teams that appear at the top of the various conferences around the nation. We have incredible balance in the 2 divisions. We might not have a single team in the top 10 but we have 8-9 teams in the 2 divisions that are probably in the top 100 teams in D-3.

dp643 · March 26, 2011, 07:18:26 PM

I partially agree. I don't think the conference is as strong this year. The west altogether might be more balanced but I dont think the teams are as strong as years past.

Tyler has ridden it's starting pitching for a while and is I guess noticing how it's like to play on the road.

TexasBB · March 26, 2011, 08:14:42 PM

UTT does not appear to have a dominant closer like they did in the past couple of years. A shut down closer is critical to preserve late inning wins.

Texas BB

dp643 · March 26, 2011, 08:25:51 PM

Losing chitwood and schimpf out of that bullpen left some
Big shoes to be filled.

dp643 · March 28, 2011, 09:25:13 AM

TLU Sweeps McMurry in Abiliene. McMurry sweeps UMHB in Abilene. UMHB then takes 2 of 3 from TLU in Seguin. McMurry loses 2 of 3 to Schreiner.

So who wants to predict UMHB vs Schreiner this weekend? I say all three end up in ties.

Ralph Turner · March 28, 2011, 03:17:24 PM

Quote from: dp643 on March 28, 2011, 09:25:13 AM
TLU Sweeps McMurry in Abiliene. McMurry sweeps UMHB in Abilene. UMHB then takes 2 of 3 from TLU in Seguin. McMurry loses 2 of 3 to Schreiner.

So who wants to predict UMHB vs Schreiner this weekend? I say all three end up in ties.

Home team wins the series 2 games to 1.

Voorhees · March 28, 2011, 10:38:12 PM

I sometimes wonder if throughout the progression of their career, smaller frame guys (5'11, 155lb) like Orosey begin to wear a bit. Don't get me wrong, I still think he's probably the best arm in the west, and a top 3-5 arm in the ASC, but take a peek.

Orosey:
FR 3.72 ERA, 10-1, 92 IP, 88 K
SO 3.15 ERA, 10-1, 97 IP, 104K (And this ERA got inflated late)
JR 3.00 ERA, 0-1, 30 IP, 34K

(ERA IS lower, AND TLU is hitting .277 this year; whereas they were .331 last year, and .323 the year before -- maybe he's just not getting any run support).

Two other smaller pitchers from the TLU history books though:

Logan Hull:
FR 3.54 ERA, 7-2, 61 IP
SO 4.47 ERA, 4-4, 48.1 IP
JR 12.64 ERA, 1-5, 31.3 IP
SR 7.36 ERA, 1-1, 11.1 IP

Hull was instrumental in getting the bulldogs to, and through the ASC tournament after Newman struggled through his senior year and was never really the same after.

Kyle Newman:
FR 3.02 ERA, 7-0, 47.2 IP, 48K, .168 avg against
SO 3.20, 8-1, 84.1 IP, 105K
JR 1.96, 8-3, 78 IP, 81K, .202 avg against
SR 7.09, 0-2, 34 BB in 26.2 IP

Here was a guy who needed like 5 wins to surpass Chema Chavez as the ASC's all time wins leader, and lost all command his senior year. (It's worth noting Hull always struggled with his command).

Now with Hull & Newman there were likely some external things at work that impacted their digression as well, but for every guy built like Lincecum that holds up there seems to be 8 others that just fatigue once their innings accumulate.

Is this a result of guys throwing too much? Guys throwing in the off season? Guys not training themselves and their arms properly. Is it just an anomaly in which a bored guy on the message boards tries to stir up discussion? Perhaps.

JSG

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Hey guys, long time no talk....

I thought this was interesting, so I decided to go back and look at some stuff. What I found is that my results did not show any of TLU's pitching regressing from year to year haha. I had forgotten how bad they tore me up...

How many people have seen Orosey this year? The only thing that appears to be down to me is his wins. Sure, he is very capable of being a lights out guy, but sometimes you just have those outings where the ball seems to find holes. Has he been hit harder, or in his 30 innings (5 simple starts?) has he maybe given up an extra run here or there due to lucky hits/ possibly a defense that is not quite the same as a few years back.

I can think of a few other pitchers who could be added to that list, and I could put myself on a comparable hitters list. Sometimes you just don't have it, try to do too much, possibly battle with an injury.

Another note, you can suck your first year or two, figure it out, then have stellar jr/sr years, and nobody goes back and says "what happened their freshman year?"

forheavendial4999 · March 29, 2011, 06:36:48 AM

Last year, Orosey allowed 113 baserunners in 97IP and 16 extra base hits, 4 HR.

This year, it's 39 runners in 30IP and 11 XBH, 0 HR.

Only 5 of those runners this year were walks, so maybe he's being a little too aggressive? Or maybe he's just been unlucky.

He's also not thrown a complete game after 4 last year and is averaging fewer innings per start (by a lot) but the whole team only has 1 CG so that might be a coaching adjustment.

dp643 · March 29, 2011, 07:41:10 AM

Quote from: forheavendial4999 on March 29, 2011, 06:36:48 AM
Last year, Orosey allowed 113 baserunners in 97IP and 16 extra base hits, 4 HR.

This year, it's 39 runners in 30IP and 11 XBH, 0 HR.

Only 5 of those runners this year were walks, so maybe he's being a little too aggressive? Or maybe he's just been unlucky.

He's also not thrown a complete game after 4 last year and is averaging fewer innings per start (by a lot) but the whole team only has 1 CG so that might be a coaching adjustment.

He hasnt thrown a complete game and has fewer innings per start because he was injured at the beginning of the year. He almost threw a complete game vs UMHB this past weekend. I dont think theres been a coaching adjustment, I think its just because he is finally getting going now as compared to the rest of the team who has been throwing for 8 + weeks.

forheavendial4999 · March 29, 2011, 04:46:41 PM

Quote from: dp643 on March 29, 2011, 07:41:10 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on March 29, 2011, 06:36:48 AM
Last year, Orosey allowed 113 baserunners in 97IP and 16 extra base hits, 4 HR.

This year, it's 39 runners in 30IP and 11 XBH, 0 HR.

Only 5 of those runners this year were walks, so maybe he's being a little too aggressive? Or maybe he's just been unlucky.

He's also not thrown a complete game after 4 last year and is averaging fewer innings per start (by a lot) but the whole team only has 1 CG so that might be a coaching adjustment.

He hasnt thrown a complete game and has fewer innings per start because he was injured at the beginning of the year. He almost threw a complete game vs UMHB this past weekend. I dont think theres been a coaching adjustment, I think its just because he is finally getting going now as compared to the rest of the team who has been throwing for 8 + weeks.

Well no one else on the team is throwing complete games either, so that's the reason why I wasn't sure.

If they've been trying to bring him in particular back slowly on shorter outings, then I would say the only difference is he's given up a few more XBH maybe by trying to be too aggressive...giving up more hits, but fewer walks. But some teams are doing that by design with the new bat specs.