BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference

[dp643]

Did anyone else notice that Concordia started a pitcher in game three (Scott Hays) who hadn't thrown but 6 innings all year? I find that interesting. If they have found another arm, they could easily make a deep run in this tournament as well.

[CrashDavisD3]

Does UT-Tyler deserve a Pool C bid after going 2 and BBQ in the 1st round of the ASC Conference tourney that was a 4th seed with a overall losing record?  I say win it or lose on the field. I believe UT-Tyler has lost their Pool C bid on the field.

Props to McMurry to beat UT-Tyler and scheduling top programs in the West Region.

It would be nice to see McMurry be there on the field to host the West Regional !! 

[playball]

So you are saying Texas Tyler doesn't deserve a pool C bid?  Even with the season they have had?   

[Just_Some_Guy]

So you are saying Texas Tyler doesn't deserve a pool C bid?  Even with the season they have had?   

I'm in agreement with OshDude regarding Tyler:

I'm not ready to cede a bid to Tyler. Zero results against regionally ranked teams and an SOS well under .500 doesn't pass the smell test, even with the West Factor in SOS accounted for. That SOS is one of the worst in the region.

Curious to see how far Tyler tumbles in the rankings. I see scenarios where UTT is sixth or out completely in Week 2. It obviously depends on what happens at other tourneys, but I'm not liking Tyler's chances.

...The problem is I don't know who would replace them in the west.

They play a very favorable home schedule, and to date haven't played any regionally ranked opponents. Like Ralph said, against the top half of the ASC in the in the last half of the season they're merely 7-6.

The bids were different then, but a 37-6 TLU team was left home in 2003 after losing a few late conference games and 2 of 3 in the ASC conference tournament.

Do I think Tyler has the potential to play well an impact the West Regional? Yes.

Has their body of work earned them a spot? That, I don't know.

In the last few years I only recall the ASC getting multiple bids twice (2007 UTD/TLU), and last year (Tyler/Miss). The ASC has been better than the SCIAC in the West Regional, but until they can get over the hump and win one, I think voters are going to be hesitant to pull the trigger.

JSG

[Ralph Turner]

So you are saying Texas Tyler doesn't deserve a pool C bid?  Even with the season they have had?  

I'm in agreement with OshDude regarding Tyler:

I'm not ready to cede a bid to Tyler. Zero results against regionally ranked teams and an SOS well under .500 doesn't pass the smell test, even with the West Factor in SOS accounted for. That SOS is one of the worst in the region.

Curious to see how far Tyler tumbles in the rankings. I see scenarios where UTT is sixth or out completely in Week 2. It obviously depends on what happens at other tourneys, but I'm not liking Tyler's chances.

...The problem is I don't know who would replace them in the west.

They play a very favorable home schedule, and to date haven't played any regionally ranked opponents. Like Ralph said, against the top half of the ASC in the in the last half of the season they're merely 7-6.

The bids were different then, but a 37-6 TLU team was left home in 2003 after losing a few late conference games and 2 of 3 in the ASC conference tournament.

Do I think Tyler has the potential to play well an impact the West Regional? Yes.

Has their body of work earned them a spot? That, I don't know.

In the last few years I only recall the ASC getting multiple bids twice (2007 UTD/TLU), and last year (Tyler/Miss). The ASC has been better than the SCIAC in the West Regional, but until they can get over the hump and win one, I think voters are going to be hesitant to pull the trigger.

JSG

I believe that there were only 3 Pool C bids in 2003.

The NCAA (and in turn D-III) gets its playoff monies from the D-1 March Madness TV contract.  That is why we have 15 Pool C bids under the current TV contract.

[CrashDavisD3]

So you are saying Texas Tyler doesn't deserve a pool C bid?  Even with the season they have had?   

I'm in agreement with OshDude regarding Tyler:

I'm not ready to cede a bid to Tyler. Zero results against regionally ranked teams and an SOS well under .500 doesn't pass the smell test, even with the West Factor in SOS accounted for. That SOS is one of the worst in the region.

Curious to see how far Tyler tumbles in the rankings. I see scenarios where UTT is sixth or out completely in Week 2. It obviously depends on what happens at other tourneys, but I'm not liking Tyler's chances.

...The problem is I don't know who would replace them in the west.

They play a very favorable home schedule, and to date haven't played any regionally ranked opponents. Like Ralph said, against the top half of the ASC in the in the last half of the season they're merely 7-6.

The bids were different then, but a 37-6 TLU team was left home in 2003 after losing a few late conference games and 2 of 3 in the ASC conference tournament.

Do I think Tyler has the potential to play well an impact the West Regional? Yes.

Has their body of work earned them a spot? That, I don't know.

In the last few years I only recall the ASC getting multiple bids twice (2007 UTD/TLU), and last year (Tyler/Miss). The ASC has been better than the SCIAC in the West Regional, but until they can get over the hump and win one, I think voters are going to be hesitant to pull the trigger.

JSG

A team can come from another region. It has happen before in other regions.

[Ralph Turner]

So you are saying Texas Tyler doesn't deserve a pool C bid?  Even with the season they have had?  

Thanks for the response, playball.

The season that they had will be evaluated by the Regional and National Committees by these cirtieria.


Primary Criteria
The primary criteria emphasize regional competition (all contests leading up to NCAA championships); all criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order).  My italics.

• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents.         30-6  (.833)
• Strength-of-schedule (only contests versus regional competition). 480; nationally, we see .530-.550 in the better teams.    
- Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OWP).   0.463  - They did not play anyone good in non-division games.
- Opponents' Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).  0.512*
• See Appendix B for explanation of OWP and OOWP calculations. Link to West Region SOS
• In-region head-to-head competition.                              They played no ranked teams in the West Region.
• In-region results versus common regional opponents.   They played no ranked teams in the West Region.
• In-region results versus regionally ranked teams. They played no ranked teams in the West Region.
• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at any time of the rankings/selection process.  They played no ranked teams in the West Region.
• Conference postseason contests are included.  They were swept by a team that was 15-25 in the first round.
• Contests versus provisional and reclassifying members in their third and fourth years shall count in the primary criteria.  N/A
Provisional and reclassifying members shall remain ineligible for rankings and selection.

*The ASC is a closed system. Everyone in the ASC has an OOWP around 0.500.  You have to find 3-6 games in non-conference, preferably from the west coast or other in-region (non-Texas)  that are against strong respected programs to help this number.  (Just a fact of life for the ASC.)

#5 Ranking in Top 25 poll is not a criterion.

[CrashDavisD3]

Bottom line is if you dont win your conference tourney you can expect to stay home. UTT should have at least got to the Conference Tourney Championship game to assure a Pool C bid.

[TexasBB]

UTT was left at home 3 years ago in a similar situation. If you lay an egg in the conference tournament, expecially when you are playing at home, then you can't expect to advance. You must win the games you are supposed to win. Had they lost in the finals then that would be different.

However, I think it was last year that Trinity also laid an egg in thier conference tournament in the first round but did advance to the Regional.

Tyler can only hope that their entire body of work with 30-6 region record is enough.



Texas BB

[dp643]

UTT was left at home 3 years ago in a similar situation. If you lay an egg in the conference tournament, expecially when you are playing at home, then you can't expect to advance. You must win the games you are supposed to win. Had they lost in the finals then that would be different.

However, I think it was last year that Trinity also laid an egg in thier conference tournament in the first round but did advance to the Regional.

Tyler can only hope that their entire body of work with 30-6 region record is enough.



Texas BB

Trinity won the SCAC last year

[Ralph Turner]

UTT was left at home 3 years ago in a similar situation. If you lay an egg in the conference tournament, expecially when you are playing at home, then you can't expect to advance. You must win the games you are supposed to win. Had they lost in the finals then that would be different.

However, I think it was last year that Trinity also laid an egg in thier conference tournament in the first round but did advance to the Regional.

Tyler can only hope that their entire body of work with 30-6 region record is enough.



Texas BB

Trinity won the SCAC last year

I believe that he is referring the 2009 season when Hendrix won the conference tourney.

[infielddad]

UTT was left at home 3 years ago in a similar situation. If you lay an egg in the conference tournament, expecially when you are playing at home, then you can't expect to advance. You must win the games you are supposed to win. Had they lost in the finals then that would be different.

However, I think it was last year that Trinity also laid an egg in thier conference tournament in the first round but did advance to the Regional.

Tyler can only hope that their entire body of work with 30-6 region record is enough.



Texas BB

Trinity won the SCAC last year

I believe that he is referring the 2009 season when Hendrix won the conference tourney.

Ralph,
Trinity did not receive a Pool C in 2009.  Texas BB might be referring to 2006, but the impressions are not what happened, and  might have faded with time. TU has been a pool A in 2004, 2008, 2010 and 2011.
In 2006, TU did receive a Pool C when they had a very good season, were nationally ranked, and they lost the SCAC Championship game to nationally ranked Millsaps.
In 2003, Trinity had a similar season and tournament result with this years UT Tyler team...and did not get a Pool C.

[dp643]

Is everyone ready for my predictions this weekend? I went 3 for 4 last weekend.

[TexasBB]

I had the teams wrong in my earlier post. It was 2009 and the team was Millsaps. They were 32-6 going into their conference tournament and lost back to back games to teams with losing records. They lost the first game to Centre College 4-2, and the next day lost to Hendrix 9-8. They hosted the tournament that year. They finished the season 32-8 with a 29-5 mark in the region. They received a Pool C bid to the Central Regional Tournament where they did very well but fell short of going to the World Series.

Texas BB

[forheavendial4999]

UTT was left at home 3 years ago in a similar situation. If you lay an egg in the conference tournament, expecially when you are playing at home, then you can't expect to advance. You must win the games you are supposed to win. Had they lost in the finals then that would be different.

However, I think it was last year that Trinity also laid an egg in thier conference tournament in the first round but did advance to the Regional.

Tyler can only hope that their entire body of work with 30-6 region record is enough.



Texas BB

Trinity won the SCAC last year

I believe that he is referring the 2009 season when Hendrix won the conference tourney.

Ralph,
Trinity did not receive a Pool C in 2009.  Texas BB might be referring to 2006, but the impressions are not what happened, and  might have faded with time. TU has been a pool A in 2004, 2008, 2010 and 2011.
In 2006, TU did receive a Pool C when they had a very good season, were nationally ranked, and they lost the SCAC Championship game to nationally ranked Millsaps.
In 2003, Trinity had a similar season and tournament result with this years UT Tyler team...and did not get a Pool C.

Weren't there only like 5 Pool C berths in the whole country around that time? That seems like about when that insanity took place.