BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference

[Ralph Turner]

UTT was left at home 3 years ago in a similar situation. If you lay an egg in the conference tournament, expecially when you are playing at home, then you can't expect to advance. You must win the games you are supposed to win. Had they lost in the finals then that would be different.

However, I think it was last year that Trinity also laid an egg in thier conference tournament in the first round but did advance to the Regional.

Tyler can only hope that their entire body of work with 30-6 region record is enough.



Texas BB

Trinity won the SCAC last year

I believe that he is referring the 2009 season when Hendrix won the conference tourney.

Ralph,
Trinity did not receive a Pool C in 2009.  Texas BB might be referring to 2006, but the impressions are not what happened, and  might have faded with time. TU has been a pool A in 2004, 2008, 2010 and 2011.
In 2006, TU did receive a Pool C when they had a very good season, were nationally ranked, and they lost the SCAC Championship game to nationally ranked Millsaps.
In 2003, Trinity had a similar season and tournament result with this years UT Tyler team...and did not get a Pool C.

Weren't there only like 5 Pool C berths in the whole country around that time? That seems like about when that insanity took place.

Yes. We can thank the current March Madness TV contract for the extra Pool C bids in all sports!

[dp643]

I think Tyler gets a bid but doesnt deserve it. They played a very very weak schedule, with almost every discretionary game being at home. This attributed to a very inflated win total. Id say their only road series that halfway impressed me was sweeping TLU in Seguin. But given the fact that TLU was 11-11 at home this year, and that Orosey was coming off of an injury and could only throw 5 innings that series, that sweep looks much less impressive too.

[CrashDavisD3]

I think Tyler gets a bid but doesnt deserve it. They played a very very weak schedule, with almost every discretionary game being at home. This attributed to a very inflated win total. Id say their only road series that halfway impressed me was sweeping TLU in Seguin. But given the fact that TLU was 11-11 at home this year, and that Orosey was coming off of an injury and could only throw 5 innings that series, that sweep looks much less impressive too.

UTT SOS is at 287 out of 370 teams. Their OWP ranked 312th. They also played only 14 games out of 39 on the road ! 

http://www.d3baseball.com/seasons/2011/schedule?tmpl=sos-template

[El Hombre]

I think Tyler gets a bid but doesnt deserve it. They played a very very weak schedule, with almost every discretionary game being at home. This attributed to a very inflated win total. Id say their only road series that halfway impressed me was sweeping TLU in Seguin. But given the fact that TLU was 11-11 at home this year, and that Orosey was coming off of an injury and could only throw 5 innings that series, that sweep looks much less impressive too.

UTT SOS is at 287 out of 370 teams. Their OWP ranked 312th. They also played only 14 games out of 39 on the road ! 

http://www.d3baseball.com/seasons/2011/schedule?tmpl=sos-template

Playing in the ASC, one would certainly assume their SOS would be higher than that!  But the facts and stats don't lie.  It just shows how important it is to play a stronger schedule.  It will be interesting to see how it turns out for UTT in the end.  If they bet a bid, they will certainly be playing with a vengeance to prove they belong.

[Ron Boerger]

If you are UT-T, you want all the leading teams who haven't clinched Pool As to do well this weekend.  Upsets in conference tourneys will only increase the competition for Pool C's, and they don't have many intangibles (or tangibles) other than that gaudy record. 

[Ralph Turner]

I think Tyler gets a bid but doesnt deserve it. They played a very very weak schedule, with almost every discretionary game being at home. This attributed to a very inflated win total. Id say their only road series that halfway impressed me was sweeping TLU in Seguin. But given the fact that TLU was 11-11 at home this year, and that Orosey was coming off of an injury and could only throw 5 innings that series, that sweep looks much less impressive too.

UTT SOS is at 287 out of 370 teams. Their OWP ranked 312th. They also played only 14 games out of 39 on the road ! 

http://www.d3baseball.com/seasons/2011/schedule?tmpl=sos-template

Playing in the ASC, one would certainly assume their SOS would be higher than that!  But the facts and stats don't lie.  It just shows how important it is to play a stronger schedule.  It will be interesting to see how it turns out for UTT in the end.  If they bet a bid, they will certainly be playing with a vengeance to prove they belong.

The best way to raise the SOS is to be in an area where there are about 60-80 teams, who have played about 100 in-region opponents amongst themselves.

Then, you limit your conference exposure to less than half of your games (14-18 at most).  With the remaining games (22-26), you try to find 12-15 opponents who do not have losing records.

Believe it or not, you can do this in the New England and the Mid-Atlantic Regions.

[forheavendial4999]

UTT was left at home 3 years ago in a similar situation. If you lay an egg in the conference tournament, expecially when you are playing at home, then you can't expect to advance. You must win the games you are supposed to win. Had they lost in the finals then that would be different.

However, I think it was last year that Trinity also laid an egg in thier conference tournament in the first round but did advance to the Regional.

Tyler can only hope that their entire body of work with 30-6 region record is enough.



Texas BB

Trinity won the SCAC last year

I believe that he is referring the 2009 season when Hendrix won the conference tourney.

Ralph,
Trinity did not receive a Pool C in 2009.  Texas BB might be referring to 2006, but the impressions are not what happened, and  might have faded with time. TU has been a pool A in 2004, 2008, 2010 and 2011.
In 2006, TU did receive a Pool C when they had a very good season, were nationally ranked, and they lost the SCAC Championship game to nationally ranked Millsaps.
In 2003, Trinity had a similar season and tournament result with this years UT Tyler team...and did not get a Pool C.

Weren't there only like 5 Pool C berths in the whole country around that time? That seems like about when that insanity took place.

Yes. We can thank the current March Madness TV contract for the extra Pool C bids in all sports!

Yeah, I missed that earlier in the thread. Sorry.

IMO they should have waited until after the expansion to enact the full auto bid system though. Basically ruined about 3 postseasons.

[Voorhees]

Enough with trying to guess at a system that only will come down to how the final west region rankings stand, then the other regions rankings for their teams remaining....

How about some predictions?

Who's seen many games this year? I saw one of McM at HSU, and watched TLU get double dipped in Richardson this weekend. I thought HSU had the best potential to hit. I thought UTD has a few pitchers that will be tough, and I also saw them flash some leather.

Someone with more experience and who's a little smarter than this dumb jock please tell me what I'm gonna see this weekend!

[Ralph Turner]

Enough with trying to guess at a system that only will come down to how the final west region rankings stand, then the other regions rankings for their teams remaining....

How about some predictions?

Who's seen many games this year? I saw one of McM at HSU, and watched TLU get double dipped in Richardson this weekend. I thought HSU had the best potential to hit. I thought UTD has a few pitchers that will be tough, and I also saw them flash some leather.

Someone with more experience and who's a little smarter than this dumb jock please tell me what I'm gonna see this weekend!

Okay, I will bite.

A very young McMurry team may be growing up after a tough season.

I like McM's chances in the tourney.  I especially like their draw.  CTX is always a challenging game.

I also like that HSU goes against UTD.  I like HSU.  Catching HSU on Day-2 will be a good game.

I have UTD vs CTX in Game #3.  I don't know who wins that game.

If we beat HSU in Game #4, then we would catch the "loser's bracket" in Game #6 on Sunday.

I am extremely proud of the job that Coach Byington has done with a very young team.

[dp643]

You will see ctx win the whole thing.

Ctx over mcmurry.
Hsu over Dallas.

Ctx over hsu.

Dallas over mcmurry.
Hsu over Dallas.

Hsu over ctx. Ctx over hsu to win it all.

Personally though I'm rooting for Mcmurry. What a story that would be.

[dp643]

This weekend with the wind projected to be blowing in from Center and Right field, I am going to say it comes down to pitching and defense.

Heres where the 4 teams rank in BA, ERA, and Fielding:

1. HSU        .324
2. CTX         .308
3. McM         .295
3. UTD         .285


1. UTD        3.89
2. HSU        3.99
3. CTX        4.48
4. McM        6.01


1. HSU         .967
2. CTX          .963
3. McM         .952
4. UTD          .948

[CrashDavisD3]

You will see ctx win the whole thing.

Ctx over mcmurry.
Hsu over Dallas.

Ctx over hsu.

Dallas over mcmurry.
Hsu over Dallas.

Hsu over ctx. Ctx over hsu to win it all.

Personally though I'm rooting for Mcmurry. What a story that would be.

I pick McMurry the underdog to win the ASC conference tourney.

Why ------ They get to play at home in the Regionals. Early season series with Chapman prepared them to play against the best

[BigPoppa]

If McMurry wins it, I fear for Ralph's health:) I'd expect to hear of his collapse at the news within minutes though.

[CrashDavisD3]

If McMurry wins it, I fear for Ralph's health:) I'd expect to hear of his collapse at the news within minutes though.

I would expect Ralph to be there at the ASC championship game doing a Al Michaels impression after McMurry wins.

Do you believe in Miracles

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTev5pSuYLk

[dp643]

If McMurry wins it, I fear for Ralph's health:) I'd expect to hear of his collapse at the news within minutes though.

This is awesome.



McMurry has no chance whatsoever of winning, but I will be pulling for them.

Im very curious to see what this new pitcher from CTX has in store.