BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference

[Blackcat00]

Its D3, all the love is in the Northeast. East Delware state weslayan or some school will probably get in over any ASC team. I guess they see it as Concordia is the only school to get to the World Series out of the ASC and look past anyone trying to get an at large bid. I dont get it, the best ball is played in the south, but maybe things will change. And im sure the board memebers are not from down here.

[dp643]

I would really like Tyler to go up there and tear up the regional to give the ASC some deserved respect. If Booher can find it, I think they can do it. They have the pitching to do well in a regional.

[BigPoppa]

Its D3, all the love is in the Northeast. East Delware state weslayan or some school will probably get in over any ASC team. I guess they see it as Concordia is the only school to get to the World Series out of the ASC and look past anyone trying to get an at large bid. I dont get it, the best ball is played in the south, but maybe things will change. And im sure the board memebers are not from down here.

Most love is in the Northeast as most schools are in the Northeast.

[Ralph Turner]

Its D3, all the love is in the Northeast. East Delware state weslayan or some school will probably get in over any ASC team. I guess they see it as Concordia is the only school to get to the World Series out of the ASC and look past anyone trying to get an at large bid. I dont get it, the best ball is played in the south, but maybe things will change. And im sure the board memebers are not from down here.

Most love is in the Northeast as most schools are in the Northeast.

To whom did Concordia lose in 2002 in the D3World Series?   

IMHO, the best pitchers in D-III are not in the South and Southwest.

Those southern and southwestern pitchers are attending the JUCO's at the recommendations of their high school coach, some scout, some summer league coach or some low D-1 or D-II coach.

[TexasBB]

Ralph has a point and two of UTTs better pitchers this year Ziegler and Wolfe came from New Jersey.

[BigPoppa]

I believe Concordia lost to Lakeland (WI) and Eastern Connecticut, correct me if I am wrong. LAke had All-American Steve Plucinski who transferred to Arizona the following season.

[Blackcat00]

Whats that have to do with anything. Year end and out there are teams that are left out in the ASC when John HOpkins school of the Blind are thrown in as at large bids and are 2 and que. Just putting in my two cents. And Concordia lost to Eastern Connecticut state who was ranked #2 the entire year and not an at large bid.

[tloc14]

Frankly, it is hard to judge northeast teams vs southern or western teams because the northern schools are not able to get on the field and practice/play year-round like most of the southern and western schools can.

The way the regionals are set up, everything has to do with population density.  There are far more D3 schools in the north and northeast than there are in the southwest and west areas.  Therefore, the higher density regions get more bids.  I have my issues with this setup just like many other posters do, but there really isnt any other reasonable way around it.

The elite teams from the northern areas end up being on par with the southern and western schools when the final tournament rolls around.  The biggest problem we face is that there are so many VERY good teams in the west region compared to school density (a higher percent of the teams in the west are highly competitive vs the northern regions).  Unfortunately, only 1 representative from the west will go to the final tourney (unless one of the west schools recieves a rare at-large bid to a different regional and wins).

I would love to see the west region being broken up into a pacific and south west region...but there just arent enough D3 schools to make it happen.  I think Ralph broke down the numbers earlier.  Wish some of the NAIA schools or D2 schools would just drop down and make it easier    .

[golden_dome]

To whom did Concordia lose in 2002 in the D3World Series?   

IMHO, the best pitchers in D-III are not in the South and Southwest.

Those southern and southwestern pitchers are attending the JUCO's at the recommendations of their high school coach, some scout, some summer league coach or some low D-1 or D-II coach.

Ralph,
 I don't think you can make a blanket statement like that. Concordia lost their 2002 opener 5-4 in 10 innings to Eastern Connecticut State who won the World Series that year. I don't think that is exactly a show of dominance, just baseball.

 A lot of the better players do attend junior colleges in this part of the country, but those aren't four year shools. The have to play somewhere as juniors and seniors, and very often it is on ASC teams. If you are just referring to the "deep south" then you have to consider the numbers, it's not fair to judge two conferences, the ASC and SCAC, against the entire country. Per team, the ASC is putting out just as many good players as other regions IMO.

 It certainly doesn't help that geographic proximity and the current setup usually means we very rarely have multiple teams in the tourney despite a 15-team conference. Obviously, the more teams you have in the tourney, the better your chances of having someone advance.

[LA Mike]

     It just appears to me that the committee struggles to be "fair" to the eastern conferences and put off the west and the south.  How often do you see a west or south region team being pulled into the midwest or the mid Atlantic as they have better records etc. 
     But, because of the rules for "in-region" competition, the western schools get knocked when the eastern and northern schools come down for games in the spring.  Their games against each other count-- but the west and south schools limit the competition with these schools to 6 or 8 because they do not count in the eyes of the "committee".  Maybe a third level of consideration (POOL D) should be introduced and that would be the games/records against ranked opponents -- maybe measured & calculated (3X) at third points in the season (to accommodate the changes in rank and to determine ranking position) and factor that into the mix.  The tournament strives to hold the tournament to 54 teams, but maybe a 8 team/8 regional format would get the extra teams that should be not be left out, in the tournament.  [I know then we could give the 65th team a chance to complain! ]
     I know the standard answer would be that it goes back to costs.  It will probably involve a similar selection of teams and programs each year. 
               Maybe go to the 35 conferences for an extra stipend to support the
                   10 extra teams............and the chance to play.  Maybe 1 slot to be
                    chosen by lottery (#64) from team nos. 64-70 -- "The lucky dog
                    team !!!". 
               Plug in the teams in adjacent regions..........to play closer rather
                  than farther away....... but not against their opponents from the
                  regular season.

I know, the coach is coming to the mound to
pull me out and I have to go !!!

It is only withdrawal -- because there will not be games (mostly) next weekend-- we have to wait for the regional tournaments.

The ball has been give to the coach----------------

[RSSmith]

Whats that have to do with anything. Year end and out there are teams that are left out in the ASC when John HOpkins school of the Blind are thrown in as at large bids and are 2 and que. Just putting in my two cents. And Concordia lost to Eastern Connecticut state who was ranked #2 the entire year and not an at large bid.

I'm sorry, I've only been following Hopkins for the last ten years.  Can you please tell me when they failed to win a game in the post-season?

[royhobbs]

When JHU gets in due to a "Rain-IN", they better win a game or two.

[RSSmith]

When JHU gets in due to a "Rain-IN", they better win a game or two.

Any port in a storm, right?  I'm sure you noticed that the only other team left standing in the Centennial tournament had already lost to Hopkins three times this season.  I'll stick my neck out here and say that the Blue Jays will win a game or two.

[tloc14]

Whats that have to do with anything. Year end and out there are teams that are left out in the ASC when John HOpkins school of the Blind are thrown in as at large bids and are 2 and que. Just putting in my two cents. And Concordia lost to Eastern Connecticut state who was ranked #2 the entire year and not an at large bid.

I'm sorry, I've only been following Hopkins for the last ten years.  Can you please tell me when they failed to win a game in the post-season?

When they get sent to the West Regional??   haha, im just kidding.   

[golden_dome]

I really don't want to relive this, but here is video of the ASC Championship for those who weren't there. It includes all the major clips from the final three inning, pretty amazing stuff. It was shot by Jason Hurst, the sports anchor for Jackson's CBS station.

http://www.wjtv.com/jtv/sports/local/article/choctaws_one_pitch_away_but_fall_8-5_in_asc_championship/12815/