BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference

[TexasBB]

UTT spanked TLU 10-4 yesterday. UTT is also a young team. They had to replace their entire pitching staff and most of their hitting, not to mention a new coaching staff. Yet they are 12-0. Something must be in the water in Tyler.

Texas BB

[dp643]

I dont know if Id classify having 3 starting pitchers who are seniors and a lineup loaded up with mostly Juniors and Seniors would classify Tyler as being young. Are their new guys? Yes, but most are Junior and Senior transfers. Its always amazed me at how many Senior transfers Tyler gets.

[Just_Some_Guy]

I dont know if Id classify having 3 starting pitchers who are seniors and a lineup loaded up with mostly Juniors and Seniors would classify Tyler as being young. Are their new guys? Yes, but most are Junior and Senior transfers. Its always amazed me at how many Senior transfers Tyler gets.

I'm inclined to agree with dp643 here. New guys doesn't necessarily = young guys.

Dustin Wyble 2b -- Sr.
David Ring lf -- Jr.     
Aaron McCain ss -- Jr.    
Justin Juneau rf -- Sr.    
T.J. Martin 3b -- So.     
Nick Clifton 1b -- Sr.    
Hayden Chick c -- Jr.    
Jake Beam dh -- Fr.    
Josh Bates cf -- Jr.

Their three weekend starters, all seniors.

By comparison, TLU has 5 seniors on their entire roster. UMHB has 2.

[TexasBB]

They are juniors and senior transfers primarily from JUCOs or other programs (D-1 or II) where they were not likely to start.  That means that UTT is doing a good job recruting from JUCOs that perhaps others are not. One has to ask why?  There are alot of JUCOs in Texas and many of those kids were all district in HS. Not all of them sign with D-1 or D-II programs after their 2 year stint. Thus those who want to continue to play are available. Why then are not more JUCOs (junior and seniors) being picked up by TLU, UMHB etc.?  McMurrey always had a bunch so I know they are being recruited at least by some.  I don't buy into the idea of a drop in the Texas talent pool. This state is one of the top 3 in the country at producing college baseball players. So the talent is out there. Some are just doing a better job than others in tapping into that talent pool. Again one has to ask why?

Texas BB

[dp643]

They are juniors and senior transfers primarily from JUCOs or other programs (D-1 or II) where they were not likely to start.  That means that UTT is doing a good job recruting from JUCOs that perhaps others are not. One has to ask why?  There are alot of JUCOs in Texas and many of those kids were all district in HS. Not all of them sign with D-1 or D-II programs after their 2 year stint. Thus those who want to continue to play are available. Why then are not more JUCOs (junior and seniors) being picked up by TLU, UMHB etc.?  McMurrey always had a bunch so I know they are being recruited at least by some.  I don't buy into the idea of a drop in the Texas talent pool. This state is one of the top 3 in the country at producing college baseball players. So the talent is out there. Some are just doing a better job than others in tapping into that talent pool. Again one has to ask why?

Texas BB

UMHB has two transfer Jucos in their starting lineup. But no one seems to be able to compete with the number of Senior transfers Tyler gets.

Some programs in this conference have really taken a step back after a few years of Coaching changes. It will be interesting to see how UMHB and Tyler do with their new coaches a few years from now.

[TexasBB]

Agree. The new UTT coach has alot of experience and apparently recruiting ability. UTT had over 150 applicants for the job. The school has great facilities for baseball and has built a great program under Vilade.  Many of the other programs went with youth and less experience at head coach. It probably is a $ issue for many of the schools. 

I looked at UTT roster and they had to replace almost all of their starters from a loaded team last year. That is a daunting task for any program. I was fully expecting a big fall off this year.  The team roster has 25 of those 12 are new. The split is 5 freshman and 7 transfers. They did get a couple of seniors from Texas A&M and Lamar but those guys were not going to be starters at those schools and were thus designated for the BP.  They had one year left and decided to go where they could play. That is my point there are alot of them out there.  They have one year left and want to play as opposed to riding the pine.  UTT also has had success in placing many kids in pro ball after they leave. Thus the selling job is that you will play and be seen by scouts. Also you have a chance on playing for a team that could win the conference and go on. That is big inducement to many junior and seniors. You need  a scouting staff that can find those kids. Vilade had a network of people that he befriended that gave him tips on talent. I am sure the new coach has tapped into that network and may have his own.

Texas BB

[TexasBB]

UTT swept TLU taking all 3 in Seguin. They are now 14-0. They have played 3 teams from the West and swept them all.

I have no gage on how good they really are. This is a new team. Some of the games have been very close. I also believe that the West is down this year. TLU normally is very tough at home and over the last couple of years has been the top dog in the west. 

This season is a puzzle to me.

Texas BB

[dp643]

I think Tyler is still older and returns more position players than the teams in this discussion. UMHB has 6 new guys in their lineup, with only 2 seniors on the whole team.

Tyler seems to be the class of the conference at this point. But some of these younger teams I think will surprise some people given a little more time to gel.

On a side note, glad to see Orosey back in the lineup today.

[dp643]

UTT swept TLU taking all 3 in Seguin. They are now 14-0. They have played 3 teams from the West and swept them all.

I have no gage on how good they really are. This is a new team. Some of the games have been very close. I also believe that the West is down this year. TLU normally is very tough at home and over the last couple of years has been the top dog in the west. 

This season is a puzzle to me.

Texas BB

The biggest puzzle to me right now is Mississippi College. Alot of guys that had monster years for them last year are laying eggs right now. It will be interesting to see if they get back on track.

[Ralph Turner]

The biggest puzzle to me right now is Mississippi College. Alot of guys that had monster years for them last year are laying eggs right now. It will be interesting to see if they get back on track.

Well, they just swept McMurry.

[dp643]

I am going to make a bold prediction:

Winner of the series between UMHB and Hardin Simmons this weekend will win the west.

[Ralph Turner]

I am going to make a bold prediction:

Winner of the series between UMHB and Hardin Simmons this weekend will win the west.

Not bold, just prescient. 

[lordcharles]

Anyone have any scores from the Schreiner- Desales DH today?  Grrrr!  No video or stat links anywhere!

Thanks

[tigerfan_2001]

Anyone have any scores from the Schreiner- Desales DH today?  Grrrr!  No video or stat links anywhere!

Thanks

not sure if this is one game or two, but the ASC web page has two games with a 6-5 score with DeSales winning both.  AGain, not sure if that was one game or both that ended 6-5 or just one....

[lordcharles]

Thanks tigerfan.  It was 2 games. Desales won both 6-5and 5-0. I finally got the scores from the website.   Thanks for your kind assistance.