BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference

[sportsfan61]

Starters for HSU-UT Tyler

HSU - Sam Walker 1-1, 7.77 ERA, LHP
UT Tyler - Lex Wolfe 1-0, 3.24 ERA, RHP

[dballa]

HPU 3 UD 1 Final Game 1

UD 3 HPU 1 in the 4th of Game 2

[fungoman]

Glad to see you around again HAMBONE. You seem to be taking the losses much better tahn Blackcat. I guess he still doesn't realize I am talking about game one of the Concordia, Tyler series when Concordia needed 6 runs in the last 3 to come back and win. That win kept them from being swept. Is that too hard to comprehend?

CUAFan provides more insight to this board with one of his stat posts than you have in your last 20 Blackcat, so they are much appreciated. Maybe he is just upset his Tornados aren't in any of the stats except the one with all the bottom teams in the divisions. Keep them coming!

As I post this... my Patriots have just batted around to take the lead vs Hardin-Simmons 4-2 in the 2nd.

[WLCALUM83]

Here's an update on Jonathan Miller (Concordia-TX alum):

http://www.rivercityrascals.com/cgi-bin/dist/news.cgi?id=4

(Note:  Scroll down a bit,)

[TexasBB]

Final Score UTT 17 and HSU 6

HSU scored 4 runs in the first two innings getting to Wolfe but their pitching staff was really exposed as  UTT scored in almost every inning.

[HAMBONE]

Glad to see you around again HAMBONE. You seem to be taking the losses much better tahn Blackcat. I guess he still doesn't realize I am talking about game one of the Concordia, Tyler series when Concordia needed 6 runs in the last 3 to come back and win. That win kept them from being swept. Is that too hard to comprehend?

CUAFan provides more insight to this board with one of his stat posts than you have in your last 20 Blackcat, so they are much appreciated. Maybe he is just upset his Tornados aren't in any of the stats except the one with all the bottom teams in the divisions. Keep them coming!

As I post this... my Patriots have just batted around to take the lead vs Hardin-Simmons 4-2 in the 2nd.

you are correct fungoman...as always you do your research...maybe our wisdom will come with time like yours...like maybe after we have a kid playing...but until then we will continue to post with remarks that make some hairs stand up as we are all recent college graduates and are not used to spectating...i hope that you can understand?

i take losses well.  i understand that baseball is a game of failure...it is a game of adjsutments and angles....it is a game that is considered a team-sport but the outcome relies soley on indiviual performance...you may say that all team sports rely collectively on indiviual performance, but how many of those sports have a salary cap?  wel i can think of 3 and this msg board only covers 1 of those.  i also understand that CTX isnt working with much of a pitching staff this year, but niether is the rest of the west....hencew the # of rising d3 batting champions we hae on our hands...the pitching is bad enough to hit the good hitters bats and then put the good hitters right back into a preverbial slump......i do not have anything to criticize the east about other than paper #'s and that is what i rely on cuafan and Just_Some_Guy to analyze b/c their analysis is unbiased baswed on both divisions stats....i have first-hand knowledge of what goes on in the west and what type of players are producing the double-digit #'sw that you read of on the internet.................

i also understand what you meant about needing to score six runs to keep from getting swept.....that is a good point that you made.  Thee UTT-Patriots are a good club. regardless of the prediction opr the innings it took to score the runs CTX did win that game and UTT won the next 2.   I have not and will not (until their is a phenom in austin)  claim that CTX is better than any team, first of all they havent proveed to dominate anyone, and they have plenty of things to work on.  Nor has CTX been ranked in the top 5 in the country so them losing isnt as much surprising as the beloved patriots...so with that in mind it would make as much sense to say that the unbeatable team with the best pitching in the conference was beat by an underdog west team (ctx).....but we both know its baseball, utt was on the road...it was early...it was a new field....tom williams was hot and thats all they have...whatever the case maybe, they are all excuses and that is why the asc does not count the cross-over games anymore...what we4 have at present is a 7 team dogfight for the conf tourney and it will only get bloodier from here on out.......i plan on seeing some raquet-balls and golf ballsflying out of some bats...this is when its gets fun....everyone loves offense and everyone respects defense+that means we respect the east, but we4 love the west.

blackcat00...lay off fungoman....if he realized the patriots were in the tourney he would laydown silently and let everyone sleep...but he is drawing attention to the team that is supposed to be perfect...man i wish i could lace up my spikes again and jump into this race for the title....this has to be the most competitive year yet...Mr Jacoby would love this athletic competition!!!!

[HAMBONE]

I'm sorry.  I respect your opinion and am happy for you and your son.  I totally disagree.  Gardner has totally destroyed my son's confidence and desire as well.  I feel like he had a grudge against my son because he stated that he was angry that he didn't commit to him earlier (he was waiting on a DII school to offer him a scholarship).  From the day he enrolled Gardner put him in no win situations to let him know how offended he was that he might pick a DII school over his "heavenly blessed"  DIII non scholarship, tuition out the wazzoo school.  Needless to say, I am not happy with how he treated this 18 year old kid.  If I could do anything detrimental to him, I would.  He has hurt my son. So, I disagree, and I think he is a worthless piece of excrement!  But still, I know that it seems to work both ways, but I just wanted the other way to be stated.  He is not God's gift to baseball.  Besides his players were talented enough to make it to the Series that year anyway had you or I been coaching them.
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I'm sorry.  I respect your opinion and am happy for you and your son.  I totally disagree.  Gardner has totally destroyed my son's confidence and desire as well.  I feel like he had a grudge against my son because he stated that he was angry that he didn't commit to him earlier (he was waiting on a DII school to offer him a scholarship).  From the day he enrolled Gardner put him in no win situations to let him know how offended he was that he might pick a DII school over his "heavenly blessed"  DIII non scholarship, tuition out the wazzoo school.  Needless to say, I am not happy with how he treated this 18 year old kid.  If I could do anything detrimental to him, I would.  He has hurt my son. So, I disagree, and I think he is a worthless piece of excrement!  But still, I know that it seems to work both ways, but I just wanted the other way to be stated.  He is not God's gift to baseball.  Besides his players were talented enough to make it to the Series that year anyway had you or I been coaching them.
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EXCUSE ME...first of all, let me welcome you "GUEST" to board...You apparently have no clue whatsoever....look around and grab one, as they are all around. 

First let me say that you just posted to a message that was presented on this board over a year ago....noone here know what you are talking about (except me, or anyone that took the time to dig through the archives to understand what you are referring too).

Second, you state that coach gardner has destroyyed all your sons confidence and desire as well.....with all do respect sir...if he cannot control his confidence level and desire for a game that he desrves a scholarship for then he does not need a scholarship or to play that particualr sport...ever....in this case it is the game of baseball.....if you have ever studied any book on baseball the best hitters of the game hit .400 and the best pitchers are very slim...baseball is game of failure....deal with it....you even speak of the beloved d3 college wqorld series....ctx was 2 and out...that is failure, but at the same time it was success...be a father and read between the lines, quit feeling sorry for yourself and do your son a favor and quit feeling sorry for him...by this time, i assume he is an adult and will need his life lessons to raise a family, not a d3 baseball resume.

you state that coach gardner was angry at your son b/c he was waiting on a d3 baseball scholarship....i think every d3 baseball player was waiting on a dII baseball scholarship, so that is a piss poor excuse.....  those who wait around find themselves searching for the back of the line....LEAD, FOLLOW, OR GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY.....hopefully you understand what that means....if you do not, then you qwill probably be responding to this post some time in 2010 season complaining about all the sarcasm on this board.

you also state that GARDNER put him in no-win situations!!!! you obviously know nothing about baseball.....let me expalin it again if you cannot understand statistics...baseball is a game of failure.  even if the team was losing when your son pitched, he still had the odds on his side to succeed......the best hitter ever failed 7 out of 10 times......?? think about it.  if he was that good, then he wouldnt have been playing on a team that could not field...."ALL ELSE EQUALS" ... ever heard that before?  Ill give you a hint, it was not written in 2007.

first of all the "heavenly blessed" comment was not necessary, but i am only defending GOD on this one...you might want to ask this entire boasrd for forgiveness....even though we cannot let you in baseball heaven, you are talking to a baseball board that supports private institutions, not belittle them liek yourself.  secondly, the "tuition out the wazzo" statement....what the hell?  are the only one that the schoole raped out of money?  if your son was so heavenly blessed by the baseball gods then why did he not get that so beloved DII scholarship he waited around on?  noone here feels sorry for you.  most of us have student loan payment to deal with.....i can tell you one thing, i have plenty of plaques on my wall that says i was "GOOD" in the same conference you arwe bitching about and i still write a check every month, so you might want to rethink who you are complaining to....none of us feel sorry for you or your son who is still wating around.

If you could do anything detrimental to him you would?  are you serious?  if you were you would have already done it.  if you do, its in the first degree b/c it is premeditated.  why dont you start by looking yourself in the mirror.  just b/c you wait around doesnt mean you are a failure.  your son is probably good.  i do not even know his name or his pitching style but i am trying to teach you a lesson.  you held him back, now he is suffering, and you are pointing fingers on a message board.....there are no players of the week on this message board...  why dont you create a profile like the rest of us and join us once ina while.

next you say "worthless piece of excretement" .... i think i missed something here....didnt you send your son to go play for this man?  didnt you sign the student loan papers?  didnt your tell your son to wait around for a free scholarship from the DII program?  YOU ARE RETARDED....DI programs only get 12 scholarships...yes that means the beloved UT also....most teams travel with 18-25 players...do the math smart guy...if your son was any good the best he would have been offered was books, tuition, and fees...that is still not a full scholarship an dvery few get that offer at a DI program.....get off you high horse and smell the coffee (the best coffee is at Dunkin Donuts BTW)....

Next you say that "Coach Gardner is not Gods Gift To Baseball" ... noone stated that he was ... if you ever pay attenetion or have been to cooperstown....the only people that were gods gift to baseball attended Jose Canseco's Bar-B-Q with Roger Clemens in 2001...I believe that Andy Pettite was there but he "MISREMEMBERS"...take that for what its worth.  in fact i think that your son might have benefeted from the supplements that were distributed at that "Bar-B-Q"

your last statement about "you or her coaching our world series team"  really told me that you did not understand the game of baseball or concordia's success for that matter..you are retarded...first of all, if you were our coach we probably be just waiting around for someone to tell us if we were good just like your son...second, noone on my team would paly for you...noone.  probably not even your son, b/c i would convince him that I wa better than you (and he would believe me, believe me)...third of all, if you knew anything about anyting, you would know that if your son was not handle being un-successful at a D3 program then hes hould have pursued a different route to happiness...how many time do you see MAJOR LEAGUE PLAYERS coming back from retirement?  HOW MANY COLLEGE BASBALL PLAYERS MAKE IT TO THE BIG LEAGUES?  1 out of ever 10,000 college baseball players makes it to the major leagues.....i had the success story starting the 5A all-star all-state game in TEXAS in 2000 as a catcher and was a 2-time all-american nominee and all-west region catcher and all-west region DH.....I struck out my last college at-bat in the 2004 ASC conf tourney.....COACH GARDNER prepared me for that at-bat so-well i was happy to shake the MISSISSIPI COLLEGE PITCHER'S hand after the game, i was proud of him.  i had all the accomplsihments in the world, i never got drafted...AND I DEALT WITH IT....if you are a man with testosteone and hair on your chest then you will do the same...GOOD LUCK GUEST...grow some balls and get a screenname!!!

[HAMBONE]

Also what I noticed that is unbeleivable is how Coach Mike Gardner from Concordia hsnt received coach of the year at all. That be saying hes the only coach from the ASC conference to reach the Div3 World Series. Makes you think is there some bias because they love Mueller at TLU and they are the Buffolo Bills of the ASC when it comes to the REgionals.

Wow! You put your finger right on it. The anti-Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod conspiracy amongst the ASC coaches rears its ugly head ... again. 

I don't know how the Coach of the Year is selected, but Gardner is definitely more than that in my books!  He's not only a remarkable coach who is highly respected by his players, he's an all around great man.  I have seen my son mature greatly over the last couple of years and as much as I would like to take the credit, I know that Garnder has had more to do with it than anyone.  I couldn't have asked for my son to have been in any better hands. 

I'm sorry.  I respect your opinion and am happy for you and your son.  I totally disagree.  Gardner has totally destroyed my son's confidence and desire as well.  I feel like he had a grudge against my son because he stated that he was angry that he didn't commit to him earlier (he was waiting on a DII school to offer him a scholarship).  From the day he enrolled Gardner put him in no win situations to let him know how offended he was that he might pick a DII school over his "heavenly blessed"  DIII non scholarship, tuition out the wazzoo school.  Needless to say, I am not happy with how he treated this 18 year old kid.  If I could do anything detrimental to him, I would.  He has hurt my son. So, I disagree, and I think he is a worthless piece of excrement!  But still, I know that it seems to work both ways, but I just wanted the other way to be stated.  He is not God's gift to baseball.  Besides his players were talented enough to make it to the Series that year anyway had you or I been coaching them.

sorry for the typo (i dleted the

and it looke i typed 13 paragraphs..., i guess i took up a whole page by myself....please read it all and refer back to his (wetsu) original messages to understand my true meaning...i really do respect every players dad on this message board....but when they degrade anothers players dad, and belittle him, and use him as an excuse it baffles me....grow up... if you are good you will play somewhere, if you are not, you will complain on a message board...... HERE IS TO YOU WETSU...please "PACK-A-LUNCH" ......

I'm sorry.  I respect your opinion and am happy for you and your son.  I totally disagree.  Gardner has totally destroyed my son's confidence and desire as well.  I feel like he had a grudge against my son because he stated that he was angry that he didn't commit to him earlier (he was waiting on a DII school to offer him a scholarship).  From the day he enrolled Gardner put him in no win situations to let him know how offended he was that he might pick a DII school over his "heavenly blessed"  DIII non scholarship, tuition out the wazzoo school.  Needless to say, I am not happy with how he treated this 18 year old kid.  If I could do anything detrimental to him, I would.  He has hurt my son. So, I disagree, and I think he is a worthless piece of excrement!  But still, I know that it seems to work both ways, but I just wanted the other way to be stated.  He is not God's gift to baseball.  Besides his players were talented enough to make it to the Series that year anyway had you or I been coaching them.
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EXCUSE ME...first of all, let me welcome you "GUEST" to board...You apparently have no clue whatsoever....look around and grab one, as they are all around. 

First let me say that you just posted to a message that was presented on this board over a year ago....noone here know what you are talking about (except me, or anyone that took the time to dig through the archives to understand what you are referring too).

Second, you state that coach gardner has destroyyed all your sons confidence and desire as well.....with all do respect sir...if he cannot control his confidence level and desire for a game that he desrves a scholarship for then he does not need a scholarship or to play that particualr sport...ever....in this case it is the game of baseball.....if you have ever studied any book on baseball the best hitters of the game hit .400 and the best pitchers are very slim...baseball is game of failure....deal with it....you even speak of the beloved d3 college wqorld series....ctx was 2 and out...that is failure, but at the same time it was success...be a father and read between the lines, quit feeling sorry for yourself and do your son a favor and quit feeling sorry for him...by this time, i assume he is an adult and will need his life lessons to raise a family, not a d3 baseball resume.

you state that coach gardner was angry at your son b/c he was waiting on a d3 baseball scholarship....i think every d3 baseball player was waiting on a dII baseball scholarship, so that is a piss poor excuse.....  those who wait around find themselves searching for the back of the line....LEAD, FOLLOW, OR GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY.....hopefully you understand what that means....if you do not, then you qwill probably be responding to this post some time in 2010 season complaining about all the sarcasm on this board.

you also state that GARDNER put him in no-win situations!!!! you obviously know nothing about baseball.....let me expalin it again if you cannot understand statistics...baseball is a game of failure.  even if the team was losing when your son pitched, he still had the odds on his side to succeed......the best hitter ever failed 7 out of 10 times......?? think about it.  if he was that good, then he wouldnt have been playing on a team that could not field...."ALL ELSE EQUALS" ... ever heard that before?  Ill give you a hint, it was not written in 2007.

first of all the "heavenly blessed" comment was not necessary, but i am only defending GOD on this one...you might want to ask this entire boasrd for forgiveness....even though we cannot let you in baseball heaven, you are talking to a baseball board that supports private institutions, not belittle them liek yourself.  secondly, the "tuition out the wazzo" statement....what the hell?  are the only one that the schoole raped out of money?  if your son was so heavenly blessed by the baseball gods then why did he not get that so beloved DII scholarship he waited around on?  noone here feels sorry for you.  most of us have student loan payment to deal with.....i can tell you one thing, i have plenty of plaques on my wall that says i was "GOOD" in the same conference you arwe bitching about and i still write a check every month, so you might want to rethink who you are complaining to....none of us feel sorry for you or your son who is still wating around.

If you could do anything detrimental to him you would?  are you serious?  if you were you would have already done it.  if you do, its in the first degree b/c it is premeditated.  why dont you start by looking yourself in the mirror.  just b/c you wait around doesnt mean you are a failure.  your son is probably good.  i do not even know his name or his pitching style but i am trying to teach you a lesson.  you held him back, now he is suffering, and you are pointing fingers on a message board.....there are no players of the week on this message board...  why dont you create a profile like the rest of us and join us once ina while.

next you say "worthless piece of excretement" .... i think i missed something here....didnt you send your son to go play for this man?  didnt you sign the student loan papers?  didnt your tell your son to wait around for a free scholarship from the DII program?  YOU ARE RETARDED....DI programs only get 12 scholarships...yes that means the beloved UT also....most teams travel with 18-25 players...do the math smart guy...if your son was any good the best he would have been offered was books, tuition, and fees...that is still not a full scholarship an dvery few get that offer at a DI program.....get off you high horse and smell the coffee (the best coffee is at Dunkin Donuts BTW)....

Next you say that "Coach Gardner is not Gods Gift To Baseball" ... noone stated that he was ... if you ever pay attenetion or have been to cooperstown....the only people that were gods gift to baseball attended Jose Canseco's Bar-B-Q with Roger Clemens in 2001...I believe that Andy Pettite was there but he "MISREMEMBERS"...take that for what its worth.  in fact i think that your son might have benefeted from the supplements that were distributed at that "Bar-B-Q"

your last statement about "you or her coaching our world series team"  really told me that you did not understand the game of baseball or concordia's success for that matter..you are retarded...first of all, if you were our coach we probably be just waiting around for someone to tell us if we were good just like your son...second, noone on my team would paly for you...noone.  probably not even your son, b/c i would convince him that I wa better than you (and he would believe me, believe me)...third of all, if you knew anything about anyting, you would know that if your son was not handle being un-successful at a D3 program then hes hould have pursued a different route to happiness...how many time do you see MAJOR LEAGUE PLAYERS coming back from retirement?  HOW MANY COLLEGE BASBALL PLAYERS MAKE IT TO THE BIG LEAGUES?  1 out of ever 10,000 college baseball players makes it to the major leagues.....i had the success story starting the 5A all-star all-state game in TEXAS in 2000 as a catcher and was a 2-time all-american nominee and all-west region catcher and all-west region DH.....I struck out my last college at-bat in the 2004 ASC conf tourney.....COACH GARDNER prepared me for that at-bat so-well i was happy to shake the MISSISSIPI COLLEGE PITCHER'S hand after the game, i was proud of him.  i had all the accomplsihments in the world, i never got drafted...AND I DEALT WITH IT....if you are a man with testosteone and hair on your chest then you will do the same...GOOD LUCK GUEST...grow some balls and get a screenname!!!

[Blackcat00]

Fungoman whats not hard to comprehend, I was at that game. Yeah they scored 6 runs which was impressive to comeback and get that friday night win. So that saying is it unempressive saying UTT had to have all those errors from CTX on Sat. keeping them from getting swept on Sat. A win is a win. Your analysis on baseball makes no sense.

[Ralph Turner]

To date, I have looked at the games between the ASC and the SCAC.  The "score" is:

ASC 27 SCAC 16.

[CUAfan]

Yeah, but how many of those are in-region games, Ralph?

Anyway, here are my new player Top 5's. The only difference is that I've split up starters and relievers for the pitching stats. I made the decision on where to put guys by comparing GP to GS, so if a coach has changed one of his starters in the last 2-3 weeks then I might not have him on the right section of the stats. Also, by this evening I should have a set of region-wide hitter rankings ready to go with my new team regional rankings.

Starters
DICE
B. Holland, UTT - 1.79, 54.2
B. Booher, UTT - 2.65, 53.2
C. Curry, MCM - 2.71, 45.0
T. Koch, UO - 2.74, 41.2
C. Dixon, UO - 2.91, 42.2

BaseRun Average (BaseRuns per 9 IP)
B. Booher, UTT - 2.01, 53.2 IP
B. Cameron, UO - 2.34, 54.2
B. Holland, UTT - 2.74, 54.2
C. Dixon, UO - 2.80, 42.2
M. Cox, UTD - 3.07, 55.2

VORP1 (this one uses BaseRun Average; I like it better than the next one[/u]
B. Booher, UTT - 32.88
B. Holland, UTT - 29.07
M. Cox, UTD - 27.52
C. Dixon, UO - 22.39
C. Curry, MCM - 20.55

VORP2 (this one uses Run Average, which gives results that seem too big for me to believe them)
B. Booher, UTT - 48.10
M. Cox, UTD - 39.30
B. Holland, UTT - 36.20
R. Garza, UMHB - 32.75
C. Dixon, UO - 31.98

Relievers
DICE
B. Ziegler, UTT - 1.94, 26.1 IP
C. Munchrath, UTT - 2.53, 21.1
K. Barton, HSU - 2.89, 27.2
C. Robeau, LC - 3.10, 21.0
T. Staggs, TLU - 3.17, 29.1

BsRA
B. Morgan, LC - 0.90, 15.2
J. Scheuring, UO - 2.12, 13.2
B. Ziegler, UTT - 2.53, 26.1
K. Barton, HSU - 2.72, 27.2
L. Wolfe, UTT - 2.85, 8.1

VORP1
K. Barton, HSU - 11.91
B. Ziegler, UTT - 11.89
B. Morgan, LC - 9.92
J. Alcorn, HSU - 9.09
J. Valentine, UTD - 8.05

VORP2
K. Barton, HSU - 27.39
J. Valentine, UTD - 19.58
B. Ziegler, UTT - 16.97
J. Alcorn, HSU - 16.84
B. Morgan, LC - 16.65

Hitters
BsR/PA
D. David, MCM - .325, 141 PA
T. Williams, CTX - .319, 151
K. Fox, UTT - .309, 138
C. Briggs, UO - .304, 122
M. Volz, UMHB - .297, 109

VORP
D. David, MCM - 23.36
T. Williams, CTX - 23.23
K. Fox, UTT - 21.87
C. Briggs, UO - 19.24
J. Villegas, UMHB - 18.95

Speed
J. Villegas, UMHB - 13.29
K. Harvey, TLU - 13.24
D. Roux, LC - 13.16
L. Jones, MCM - 12.33
C. Baker, UTT - 12.05

Three True Outcome %
M. Schimpf, ETBU - 51.5%
T. Williams, CTX - 50.3%
R. Martinez, SU - 48.5%
I. Rayos, SRSU - 46.8%
R. Mummey, UO - 46.5%

BTW, I do have other players' numbers in these areas (a lot of them, actually), so if you ever wonder how someone else fares in any of these, feel free to ask.

[Just_Some_Guy]

From the day he enrolled Gardner put him in no win situations to let him know how offended he was that he might pick a DII school over his "heavenly blessed"  DIII non scholarship, tuition out the wazzoo school. 

1.) Most of this quote doesn't deserve a response.
2.) Baseball is a game of adversity. If your son responds to that adversity and excels in those "no-win" situations I'm willing to bet that he changes Gardner's opinion of him, and he gets a larger role. (That's provided Gardner had an opinion - and it's doubtful).

There's typically a method to a coaches madness. Coaches often times put players in situations where they are bound to fail. If they don't, that's great. If they do fail, that's great for the coach too because it enables him to see that players REACTION to failure, and that may be the most important attribute in a baseball player in my opinion.

And different players have different reactions.

There are some guys that hustle back to the dugout, grab their gloves, hustle to their position intent on getting back on track the next at bat.

There are some that dwell on the at bat, beat the crap at of their helmet, etc. Some of those put it out of their mind prior to their next at bat, others don't. There's a FINE line between those two guys and the first guy.

The thing is that EVERY player is different. The way they REACT to situations is different, but a GREAT coach can discern those differences and know what to say and how to handle those respective players. Some you yell at to get their attention, some you pull aside and talk to, some you sit on the bench, some didn't belong in the game in the first place. And it gets more complicated, because for some guys you need different approaches for different situations. GREAT coaches have this inate skill, or maybe they acquire it.

REALLY GOOD coaches are able to handle these types of things the majority of the time. There's so much to know other than just the game of baseball. I would hate to think that my job depended on 18-22 year old kids performances, but to the outsider (and many ADs are outsiders because they don't necessarily understand the nuances of the game), that's what it boils down to.

Anyway, I'm off on a tangent now, but I think my point is relatively clear. Hambone is right. You love your son and the fact that you are involved in his life puts you ahead of many parents in this country, but you're not doing him any favors by your reaction to this scenario.

JSG

[Just_Some_Guy]

only TLU has the class to feel so at home that if they beat you they celebrate on your field like they have never won before....

Noted, though I can name specific examples when all of the best teams in the West have in one way or another acted pretty classless. Maybe it's the nature of the dogfight that occurs every year in arguably one of the most competitive conferences in the country.

they actually serve refreshments at the the parties they have at home plate when someone actually hits a homerun; its brutal.

It's a little funny.

JSG

[Ralph Turner]

Yeah, but how many of those are in-region games, Ralph?

Everyone, I think.

I left my notes at home.  I will check that tonight. 

[Blackcat00]

I can see where the Hambone is coming from that night, but another teams field is kinda pushing it. But TLU is a firey squad and thats the benfit being part of a great rivalry.