BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference

[The U For Life]

Texas BB,

UTT's offensive numbers may have more to do with the competition they played this year.  I dont know if i caught UTT on a bad weekend, but this is about the 6th time i've seen them play and I would have never thought they would have those numbers.  No disrespect to any patriot players but I just dont see how they put up those numbers.  They did not impress me at all with their sticks.  Concordia is the only team in the ASC that i believe can swing it with McMurry, but I still give a slight edge to McMurry.

[tloc14]

A couple of thoughts:
UTT has been nationally ranked all season, and in the top 10 for much of the season, it would be a real shame if they dont get a bid to the tourney.....would be like a top 25 NCAA basketball team not getting the march madness invite.

UD had a record of 31-3 and did not get a bid to the regionals.  That season i believe they finished in the top 5 nationally.  It was one season after Vilade left the program, so obviouly the D3 guys have had a past of not nominating the top teams.

In a head to head, if it were for the last playoff, spot id have to give the nod to CTX over UTT.  I think UTT is actually a better team, but they failed to prove it last weekend.

Regional rankings are questionable at best.  I dont know how McM shot up from unranked to #2...other teams (UTT) completely dropped out. 

I hope UTT gets in the tourney....and i think CTX should have a bid too, but who knows.  Im not holding my breath.

[Blackcat00]

I may get some heat or this but Texas teams do not get any recognision or respect in Div 3 baseball. Not on this website but in general in selections. I remember UD was a powerhouse and manhandled the indep. conf. and didnt get in. ITs a shame and hopefully it changes because the ASC is a very solid conference.

[Jack Parkman]

I may get some heat or this but Texas teams do not get any recognision or respect in Div 3 baseball. Not on this website but in general in selections. I remember UD was a powerhouse and manhandled the indep. conf. and didnt get in. ITs a shame and hopefully it changes because the ASC is a very solid conference.

Been mentioned before but TX will continue to get overlooked until they make a deep run towards a national title.  There is some very good baseball being played out there but CUA's 2 &Q in the World Series is all they have to hang their hat on.

[tloc14]

Yeah, i dont think anyone from the ASC has reached the national tourney in a long time if ever....doesnt help that we would have to go through the california schools to do it tho.   

In my opinion another region needs to be made, southwest region perhaps?  There are alot of regions in the northeast, mostly because of the density of d3 schools up there, but still.  The west region spans from Mississippi College in the ASC all the way west to California.  Split that region up into 2 regions and i think you see better representation from TX schools in the world series. 

Just my humble opinion

[Ralph Turner]

Yeah, i dont think anyone from the ASC has reached the national tourney in a long time if ever....doesnt help that we would have to go through the california schools to do it tho.   

In my opinion another region needs to be made, southwest region perhaps?  There are alot of regions in the northeast, mostly because of the density of d3 schools up there, but still.  The west region spans from Mississippi College in the ASC all the way west to California.  Split that region up into 2 regions and i think you see better representation from TX schools in the world series. 

Just my humble opinion

Good morning, tloc.

There are not enough schools to constitute a region in the "Southwest".  The West region has 15 ASC schools, 4 SCAC schools and UDallas in the "southwest", and 8 SCIAC schools, 9 NWC schools, 3 independents and 1 second-year provisional on the west coast.

There is no specific allocation of "at-large" bids by region. 

[atlas385]

Ralph,

In your opinion, who do you think will play in the west region if it becomes an 8 team format?

[Ralph Turner]

Ralph,

In your opinion, who do you think will play in the west region if it becomes an 8 team format?

I believe that these teams are the locks.

West Region
Rank Team Overall In-Region
1 Chapman 35-3 28-3 (Pool B)
2 McMurry 29-17 28-16 (ASC Pool A)
3 George Fox 28-12 27-11   (Pool C)
4 Cal State-East Bay 26-14 20-10   (Pool B/C)
Pool A SCAC Trinity
Pool A NWC Linfield


5 Redlands 27-13 20-8
6 Concordia-Austin 30-16 26-13
On the bubble...

[Blackcat00]

That is a good point, I remember when we had to go through a solid Panoma Pitzer squad and Trinity (who had the best pitching by far in the country that year) and our conference tourney. We got to the World Series worn out after playing the Southwestern tourny in 98 degree weather, then playing in Wisconsin in the high 20's, it was brutal. In my opinion the quality of teams thier were the same or even not that of Trinity or Panoma Pitzer. That first game killed us being up the whole game to lose it in extra innings. But yes we do need another Texas team to make a long run. When will they move the World Series to a  more central location. Appleton was a very nice city but damn thats way up there for baseball.

[Ralph Turner]

Wisconsin Rapids has been aggressive in putting on a quality tourney.

At D-III, you need central location with reasonable airport access and facilities, but I think that the most important thing that D-III needs is a community that has bought into the idea of the championship.

Look at what Omaha has done for the CWS!  On a similar level, we see great support for the Stagg Bowl in Salem VA.

I don't think that we will see the D-III move to the south or the west, but it is nice to have the Regionals at Driggers.

[tloc14]

Wow, i didnt realize there were so few schools outside TX in the southwest.

I talked with one of the assistant coaches from UTT not too long ago and he doesnt seem too upbeat about their chances in a regional at-large.  Understandable.

However, he did inform me about some changes at UTT that will certainly help their standing in the near future.  First off, the UTT baseball complex will expand seating in an effort to possibly host a regional tourney.  Secondly, UTT is revamping their schedule.  They are finally going to try to get Millsaps and Trinity on the schedule.  Also, some booster changes are happening at the school that will enable the baseball program to raise more money.  The athletic program use to split all contributions between programs and now each program will keep their earnings.  This could be huge for baseball because it is the real money-maker of the athletic programs at the school.  Talks have already begun of funding trips to Cali to play some of those highly ranked teams.  Adding Millsaps and Trinity will greatly enhance UTT's strength of schedule, and if they can get a Cali trip together to play some of the powerhouses there no one will be able to doubt UTT's nonconference schedule anymore.

The weak scheduling has always been the asterisk to UTT's good records in the past.  Hopefully they will recognize that their weak schedule has hurt their chances this year and really get to work on it.  A stronger schedule will do 2 things.  One, it will prepare the team for post season play, and 2 it will really gain the program some recognition.

Good things on the horizon at UTT.

[Ralph Turner]

Unfortunately, Millsaps is not in-region for Baseball.

UT-Tyler needs to look to the West Coast for real competition in the West Region or it can go to the Central and Midwest Regions (Administrative Region #4). (FAQ -- see question #5.)

[tloc14]

unfortunate, but millsaps is still a better lookin team on the schedule than Hendrix 

[mcm_sid]

I've been told the rankings on the NCAA site are incorrect - or have been amended.

The West Region Rankings released yesterday were not correct.

From what I know - and I believe it's okay that this is public knowledge (fingers crossed) - here is the final west region ranking

1. Chapman
2. George Fox
3. McMurry
4. Concordia-Texas
5. UT-Tyler
6. Cal-State East Bay

[OshDude]

I've been told the rankings on the NCAA site are incorrect - or have been amended.

The West Region Rankings released yesterday were not correct.

From what I know - and I believe it's okay that this is public knowledge (fingers crossed) - here is the final west region ranking

1. Chapman
2. George Fox
3. McMurry
4. Concordia-Texas
5. UT-Tyler
6. Cal-State East Bay

That's more like it ... but how does something get so screwed up and then get published?
I think that's what everyone thought they would/should be.