BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference

[Ralph Turner]

I've been told the rankings on the NCAA site are incorrect - or have been amended.

The West Region Rankings released yesterday were not correct.

From what I know - and I believe it's okay that this is public knowledge (fingers crossed) - here is the final west region ranking

1. Chapman
2. George Fox
3. McMurry
4. Concordia-Texas
5. UT-Tyler
6. Cal-State East Bay

That's more like it ... but how does something get so screwed up and then get published?

The NCAA gives us D-I alumni as interns!   

That makes much more sense!

[mcm_sid]

Not sure what happened there, I know for a fact that CTX and UTT were in the mix yesterday - don't know if it was simply typing errors, or they posted a poll from an older week or what. But it's looking like the Tornados are now in contention and the bottom two may be left out with the AQ's that are in order.

Stranger things have happened, however.

[OshDude]

I've been told the rankings on the NCAA site are incorrect - or have been amended.

The West Region Rankings released yesterday were not correct.

From what I know - and I believe it's okay that this is public knowledge (fingers crossed) - here is the final west region ranking

1. Chapman
2. George Fox
3. McMurry
4. Concordia-Texas
5. UT-Tyler
6. Cal-State East Bay

That's more like it ... but how does something get so screwed up and then get published?

The NCAA gives us D-I alumni as interns!   

That makes much more sense!

Must be the same interns who typed the Handbook. At least they got the MW Region records right this week, with no ranked "Minnestoa" teams. Baby steps ...

[atlas385]

I checked the link that Ralph had for the regional rankings from an earlier post, they have not changed or corrected the rankings. Where did you get you source from?

[Ralph Turner]

I checked the link that Ralph had for the regional rankings from an earlier post, they have not changed or corrected the rankings. Where did you get you source from?

He may have heard it from the NCAA directly.

That  mcm_sid is a pretty savvy guy, and a great SID!

[tloc14]

Interesting shakeup in the rankings.  I guess its still possible that 3 ASC teams make it into the regional.  I watched some of the Softball regional earlier today and it featured some familiar names (Linfield, Chapman, Redlands), but there are 3 ASC teams in that regional (UTT, LC, Mary Hardin Baylor) so i guess its not out of the question for it to happen in baseball.

I wish i could go watch this regional in person.  Sounds like some really good teams will be squaring each other up.

[The U For Life]

UT Tyler's season is over.  Maybe next year they can play a harder schedule and avoid being left out. 

[TexasBB]

U for Life,

They played a schedule that was in keeping of their location. They traveled to Abiline in the early season and played Marietta etc. Their won lost record against common opponents compared to CTX and McMurrey was better and they had a better won loss record against other teams in the region. They also won their divsion and won 3 out of 5 games in the conference championship. The did loose two games to CTX but that is really the only blemish on a great season. Other than Chapman they have the best overall record in the western region and one of the best overall records in the country. There were a couple of weaker teams in the east division this year but that is not UTT fault there were also a couple of weaker teams in the West. The big difference this year was the UTD was not as strong as a year ago.

[The U For Life]

Texas BB,

Not trying to argue or anything but im pretty sure that UT Tyler lost to Concordia first game of the conference tourney, then beat Mississippi, and then lost again to Concordia.  So that means they couldnt have won 3 out of 5 games there.  I guess maybe your counting the Hardin Simmons games as part of the conference championship.  Also UT Tyler played two ranked teams all year.  Marietta early in the year at Abilene which they won 12-9 and the Ozarks which they took 2 of 3, but only won by 1 run each time.  They also played Hendrix  , the two weakest teams in the west for some reason Sul Ross and Schreiner, Jarvis Christian, and Austin College.  I know that McMurry and CTX both played Sul Ross and Schreiner but that is because they are on their side of the conference.  I just dont see the point in scheduling the weakest two teams from the other side of your conference.  How is that going to get you prepared to play the toughtest teams from that side???  Also keep in mind im not trying to be rude or fight with you, but playing a schedule that is keeping in your location doesnt help you if slip up in the tourney.  They should have traded in a Hendrix series for someone tough.  If they wanted to stay in their location they could have tried to play Trinity.  I believe they had a great year and have a great record.  But when you look at schedules McMurry had the toughest schedule followed by CTX, and then UT Tyler.  Then you throw in the fact that they were 2-3 against Concordia on the year and 0-1 against McMurry and Concordia was 1-4 against McMurry.  I honestly feel that if UT Tyler would have played some tougher teams then they would have been more prepared for the Conference Tourney, instead of being able to breeze through most of their competition all year. 

[fungoman]

It really shows how little you know U For Life. Hardin-Simmons was part of the conference championship. Do we need a math lesson to lear that 2+1 equals 3?

2 of the cross conference series' are set by the conference and we have no control over who plays who in those regards.

[The U For Life]

Fungoman,

Im not going to argue with you, but if you would like to go back and read my original post i stated in the 3rd sentence, "I guess maybe your counting the Hardin Simmons games as part of the conference championship."  It may technically be counted as part of the conference tournament, but the way i have always looked at it; is that you have to win the cross over to get to the conference tournament.  I could be wrong in looking at it that way, but I just feel as the conference tourney doesnt start until after the cross over series.  Just my opinion and i like i said it could be wrong.  If there is anything else in my post that is incorrect, would you please point it out to me.     

[Jack Parkman]

It really shows how little you know U For Life. Hardin-Simmons was part of the conference championship. Do we need a math lesson to lear that 2+1 equals 3?

2 of the cross conference series' are set by the conference and we have no control over who plays who in those regards.

Wow, I guess someone on here is having a hard time accepting the fact that all the talking he did this season might come back to bite him.  
I honestly do not see UTT getting in just like Dallas back in 2000 or 2001 when they were 33-3 or close to that.  If you play a terrible schedule and do not get the auto-bid, your chances are pretty slim.

[All-AmericanFan]

 Easy fellas....

Hey U, players and players parent's do not have control over what games they played. Did you schedule Chapman? Is U for Life really Coach Driggers? I dont think so, so ease up on UTT they had a heck of a season, just an unfortunate ending....

UTT players and parents, learn a lesson from the CTX/CUA fans you have blasted all year. Those fans talked up their team, tried to get attention, then tried to back it up and I believe did back it up. They are now in the same boat just hoping for a bid. Yet they aren't crying on here about how they've been screwed by the NCAA. Just sit back and see if you are awarded a bid, you cannot control the system no matter how much you gripe.

[Ralph Turner]

I don't know how the conference works the crossover games, not do I presume to know the criteria involved in assigning the crossover games.

However, having gone thru this season, I believe that 40 games gives a coach the chance to show off his team.  Play the most challenging schedule that you can.

If I am a UT-Tyler fan, then I want to play a couple of the top teams in the East.  UT-Tyler got hit with two of the non-quad-champs this year.

I also wonder if the ASC-East penalized UT-Tyler in the OWP/OOWP.

We all know about the west coast trips that everyone has taken to get in-region games.  Another place is to go to the Metrodome where the Twins play.  Games against teams from Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa and Illinois are in-region for us, too.  St Thomas vs St Scholastica, Feb 28th, 2008

Both of those teams have bids, so those would be great teams to play.

[The U For Life]

I'm not trying to be a jerk to anyone and if I have offended anyone then i am sorry.  I have stated all along that I feel like UT Tyler is a great team and has had a great year.  I also feel that if they would have played some tougher competition they would have been more prepared for the conference tourney.  I cannot stress how important it is to play a couple of tough teams a year.  Even if you lose them(and your record isnt as appealing)  it does a lot for a team.  Playing the tougher competition will allow you a glimpse of what playoff baseball is like and so therefore you wont be overwhelmed when you get there.  I recognize that UT Tyler had a very impressive season both offensively and pitching/defensively.  That is why I have stated in earlier posts that if they would have traded a couple of their series and played some tougher teams they would have played differently in the tourney.  I dont remember how many runners they left on against Concordia but i know it wasnt good.  If you look at their offensive numbers for the year, it will show you that they did not have any trouble scoring runs, but in the tourney they struggled.  Not saying they choked at all, but just that tougher competition prepares you down the road for the playoffs.  I know that it sucks for UT Tyler to have had such a great season and to most likely be on the outside looking in because they didnt win the tourney.  Is there a flaw in the system? Maybe, but I believe if UT Tyler would have played tougher competition then their record wouldnt be as good.  On the other hand I feel they would have been a better team in the end.