BB: ODAC: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[narch]

Yes, but the ODAC is better at golf

huh??? since when???
methodist has more national titles than the entire odac conference on the men's side (and it's not close...9-2)...not to mention that greensboro, cnu and averett have been very good on a national level in recent years with gc and au having taken home national titles and the monarchs are the #1 ranked team in the country right now - no team other than mu has EVER won a d3 national championship on the women's side - how do you figure the odac even compares to the usasac in golf?

in tennis, the odac is top-heavy with the #1 ranked women's team in the region (w&l), but the usasac has 3 ita regionally ranked teams to 2 for the odac - on the men's side, w&l is ranked #5 in the region by ita, but again, the usasac has 3 regionally ranked teams...i'd call that a push because of the depth the usasac has

i'll give you softball (more depth in the odac), women's soccer (more depth, better at the top), women's lax (very new sport for the usasac and most high schools in nc don't even play women's lax), xc and basketball (both sides)

as pointed out, the usasac doesn't sponsor field hockey, men's lax, equestrian, swimming or track & field (although cnu is usually pretty competetive with odac teams and mu can hold their own in a few events)...so there is no comparison

historically and lately, i think the usasac trumps the odac in men's soccer, though - the usasac has had a team in the national championship game on the men's side 3 times...zero for the odac - this year, g'boro beat roanoke in the ncaa tournament and ncwc and vwc both won two games (the team that beat ncwc beat the team that beat vwc)

historically i'd actually give the odac football, although of late the usasac has proven that they're relatively even...i still give the odac football until the usasac sends a rep further than the odac year after year...

[mybleedinghands]

Yes, but the ODAC is better at golf

huh??? since when???
methodist has more national titles than the entire odac conference on the men's side (and it's not close...9-2)...not to mention that greensboro, cnu and averett have been very good on a national level in recent years with gc and au having taken home national titles and the monarchs are the #1 ranked team in the country right now - no team other than mu has EVER won a d3 national championship on the women's side - how do you figure the odac even compares to the usasac in golf?

in tennis, the odac is top-heavy with the #1 ranked women's team in the region (w&l), but the usasac has 3 ita regionally ranked teams to 2 for the odac - on the men's side, w&l is ranked #5 in the region by ita, but again, the usasac has 3 regionally ranked teams...i'd call that a push because of the depth the usasac has

i'll give you softball (more depth in the odac), women's soccer (more depth, better at the top), women's lax (very new sport for the usasac and most high schools in nc don't even play women's lax), xc and basketball (both sides)

as pointed out, the usasac doesn't sponsor field hockey, men's lax, equestrian, swimming or track & field (although cnu is usually pretty competetive with odac teams and mu can hold their own in a few events)...so there is no comparison

historically and lately, i think the usasac trumps the odac in men's soccer, though - the usasac has had a team in the national championship game on the men's side 3 times...zero for the odac - this year, g'boro beat roanoke in the ncaa tournament and ncwc and vwc both won two games (the team that beat ncwc beat the team that beat vwc)

historically i'd actually give the odac football, although of late the usasac has proven that they're relatively even...i still give the odac football until the usasac sends a rep further than the odac year after year...

ok, i'll give you golf then. but the bolded part of your post only further proves why the ODAC is superior overall! Plus you just admitted that the ODAC is better in the two - to use a D1 term - revenue producing sports of football and basketball.

The USA South is good in it's own right, but to me the overall depth in all sports in the ODAC (well with the exception of Hollins, Sweet Briar, and Randolph College which makes the ODAC look a lot worse than it really is) is greater than that of the USASAC, especially once you add in the greater # of sports the ODAC sponsors.

[A.G.]

Narch...who are "the" players to watch for on MU this weekend (other than your 3B who is on fire)?

For LC...I would have to say our SS/2B combination, LaBrie and Bradley.  LaBrie dominated most of the offensive categories at SS in the ODAC last year, and Bradley was 2nd team all-region as a soph last season.  Other that those two that really stand-out, LC is a pretty solid team through the rest of the line-up.

On the hill, I have no idea what to expect and what the rotation will be.  Moore is our ace, but we have several other sophs and juniors that are right behind him.  I guess we will really find out if we are as deep at pitching as we think, this weekend.

[mybleedinghands]

SAT Scores for Freshman at ODAC	Schools Sans	(football only Catholic):
W&L (Reading/Math):	650-740	650-730
Bridgewater:	450-560	460-570
Eastern Mennonite:	450-600	470-600
Emory & Henry:	470-590	480-570
Guilford:	520-630	500-610
Hampden-Sydney:	510-600	515-630
Hollins:	500-670	470-600
Lynchburg:	460-560	460-570
Randolph:	510-640	500-610
Randolph-Macon:	490-580	500-590
Roanoke:	500-600	500-590
Sweet Briar:	510-620	480-590
Virginia Wesleyan:	440-530	430-540
_____________________________	____________	____________
Reading Overall Range:	440-750
Reading Average Range:	496.92-609.23
Reading Average Range W/O W&L:	484.17-598.33
Math Overall Range:		430-730
Math Average Range:		493.46-600.00
Math Average Range W/O W&L:		480.42-589.17

SAT Scores for Freshman	at USASAC	Schools (sans football only Maryville):
Averett:	410-450	420-460
Christopher Newport:	550-630	540-620
Ferrum:	390-480	390-490
Greensboro:	410-510	420-520
Mary Baldwin:	470-580	440-550
Meredith:	470-580	460-570
Methodist:	440-540	450-560
NC Wesleyan:	420-520	410-520
Peace:	420-520	420-510
Shenandoah:	440-560	440-560
___________________________	________________	________________
Reading Overall Range:	390-630
Reading Average Range:	442.00-537.00
Math Overall Range:		390-620
Math Average Range:		439.00-536.00

[narch]

Narch...who are "the" players to watch for on MU this weekend (other than your 3B who is on fire)?

quinn has a really nice stroke, eudy can rake when he's on, carter produces nice line drives and has some real speed, davis is clutch as is proctor and russell is solid and pesky at the plate - none of the monarch arms will "wow" you, but they throw strikes and keep the ball park (for the most part)

scottie...please tell me you haven't fallen into the misconception that the most significant measure of academic quality is sat scores for the incoming class - it is interesting to note that mu, su, meredith, mbc and cnu seem like they'd fit right into the odac from a "quality of student attracted standpoint" - from that standpoint, methodist is certainly very comparable to vwc, ehc, bc and lc - i'm also certain you've misprinted the lower portion of the math mid 50% for hsc...or someone at hsc doesn't know how to report statistics - mid 50's MUST be an attainable score, and, well...515 isn't possible

[mybleedinghands]

Narch...who are "the" players to watch for on MU this weekend (other than your 3B who is on fire)?

quinn has a really nice stroke, eudy can rake when he's on, carter produces nice line drives and has some real speed, davis is clutch as is proctor and russell is solid and pesky at the plate - none of the monarch arms will "wow" you, but they throw strikes and keep the ball park (for the most part)

scottie...please tell me you haven't fallen into the misconception that the most significant measure of academic quality is sat scores for the incoming class - it is interesting to note that mu, su, meredith, mbc and cnu seem like they'd fit right into the odac from a "quality of student attracted standpoint" - from that standpoint, methodist is certainly very comparable to vwc, ehc, bc and lc - i'm also certain you've misprinted the lower portion of the math mid 50% for hsc...or someone at hsc doesn't know how to report statistics - mid 50's MUST be an attainable score, and, well...515 isn't possible

No I ahven't, but SATs is one of the few standard measures you can use to gage the quality of incoming students.  I thought the 515 was weird too, but that's what the number was on collegeboard.com

[NCWC]

I guess what it boils down to is not the amount of games you win but your sat score when you are enrolling as a freshman. 

[A.G.]

Let's just hope it does NOT boil down to who loses to RANDOLPH COLLEGE in Men's Basketball.
(sorry, Scottie...that was low and uncalled for)   

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[narch]

being the stat guy that i am, i also would call the hollins mid 50% into question: 970-1270 seems like a REALLY wide range...most of the time you see around 180-220 point differential - it also seems unlikely that if 25% of your students have lower than a 970 that 25% would have higher than a 1270...

[mybleedinghands]

being the stat guy that i am, i also would call the hollins mid 50% into question: 970-1270 seems like a REALLY wide range...most of the time you see around 180-220 point differential - it also seems unlikely that if 25% of your students have lower than a 970 that 25% would have higher than a 1270...

Well I know some schools (won't name any specific) that claim they want to give everyone the chance at a college education (even if you have like a 700 SAT!) but if they aren't capable of handling the school they get weeded out. Which at said schools would explain wide SAT ranges. Although I highly doubt Hollins is like that...

[Spence]

These are not the same as the numbers on the COOL website.

I'm not sure which are more accurate, but I got curious about some others and then noticed that some of the ones cited weren't the same.

I'm surprised at how high Washington & Lee's marks are. I knew it was a very good school that I wish I had applied to (along with Virginia and Wake Forest) but from those numbers I might not have gotten in. Probably would have, but possibly not.

[mybleedinghands]

These are not the same as the numbers on the COOL website.

I'm not sure which are more accurate, but I got curious about some others and then noticed that some of the ones cited weren't the same.

I'm surprised at how high Washington & Lee's marks are. I knew it was a very good school that I wish I had applied to (along with Virginia and Wake Forest) but from those numbers I might not have gotten in. Probably would have, but possibly not.

waht is the COOL website?

[Spence]

These are not the same as the numbers on the COOL website.

I'm not sure which are more accurate, but I got curious about some others and then noticed that some of the ones cited weren't the same.

I'm surprised at how high Washington & Lee's marks are. I knew it was a very good school that I wish I had applied to (along with Virginia and Wake Forest) but from those numbers I might not have gotten in. Probably would have, but possibly not.

waht is the COOL website?

http://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/

Put in a school name or a state name and then click on the school and you can get all kinds of info about it.

[NCWC]

Is it possible to find out information on how much money an athletic department spends on its programs?

[mybleedinghands]

Is it possible to find out information on how much money an athletic department spends on its programs?

If you are talking D1, yes, but I can't remember the name of the survey. D3 very highly unlikely without asking the school, and the chances of them telling you are less than the chances I ahve of marrying Scarlett Johansson most likely.