BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[badgerwarhawk]

 I have a feeling that was already the case.

[Dagger]

yeah, tough losses for sure for WW but I'm not sure they cost them a shot at a pool C...IMO they needed to win the tourney before those games were played.  You never know though, sometimes the committee coughs up a surprise!  Big advantage for WW though having the games in their backyard, and being able to lose one and still be alive...still not a fan of this format, and even with point being a beneficiary of the horrible setup this year, I don't think I ever will be.  It's just stupid to give the 3-4 seed no breathing room.  they played hard all year and deserve to be in the tournament, why start them both off with an 0-2 count!  Just for my educational purposes, is there any other division in any sport that does such a set up?  and if not, did the WIAC ever consider why!?!  the four seed has won  their first game the past couple years I believe, so now the third best team in the conference is out!  stupid...especially considering this year it was a tri-champion.  The difference between the 4 and 3 seed in the WIAC is generally a very noticeable one and the three seed usually can compete nationally without embarrassing the conference, so why boot them out if they slip up one time?  Point would have been eliminated almost every year under this format.  IDK, I just don't like it, dont' think it's fair, and don't think it will stick!

[Barber Greene]

From the CUW website, UWW drops 2 to CUW today 4-3 and 6-5. No game details.

Interesting that Sam Petrasko played DH in the first game...Guess that means he can play somewhat but is not well enough to play in the outfield

[ShineTime]

I heard last night Point will be without Koback, Arch, and Williams.  If this is indeed true, Point will be 2 and out.

[TitanBystander]

http://www.wiacsports.com/baseball/2009Bracket.pdf

Take a peek at the bracket & pay particular attention to the "If Necessary" game.  In the footnote, it states that Game #5 (If necessary game) will be played if loser of WW/Point wins game #3 & Game #4. 

Since the footnote doesn't say anything about the possibility of the winner of Game #1 advancing to the championship round, we could then logically interpret this to say that if the winner of Oshkosh/LAX were to advance and eventually beat the winner of WW/Point, then the "If necessary" game wouldn't be necessary and the winner of Osh/LAX would be the champion. 

In a typical double elimination format this would not be true.  However, in this screwed up format, it just might be the case. 

Anyone care to take an educated guess? 

Given that no one on here knew the three way regular season tiebreaker criteria, I'm guessing that our opinions would be speculation.  Anyone with an "in" to the WIAC offices?         

[cubs]

I heard last night Point will be without Koback, Arch, and Williams.  If this is indeed true, Point will be 2 and out.

I wouldn't necessarily say that....  Barry has been DOMINANT his last two starts, and if he throws like that against a Whitewater offense that has been less than spectacular this season, I wouldn't be surprised to see Point come out on top.

What's the story on Williams?  Hadn't heard anything about him being injured, and just like Barry, he has been VERY impressive his last three starts.

[cubs]

Big advantage for WW though having the games in their backyard, and being able to lose one and still be alive...still not a fan of this format, and even with point being a beneficiary of the horrible setup this year, I don't think I ever will be.  It's just stupid to give the 3-4 seed no breathing room.  they played hard all year and deserve to be in the tournament, why start them both off with an 0-2 count!  Just for my educational purposes, is there any other division in any sport that does such a set up?  and if not, did the WIAC ever consider why!?!  the four seed has won  their first game the past couple years I believe, so now the third best team in the conference is out!  stupid...especially considering this year it was a tri-champion.  The difference between the 4 and 3 seed in the WIAC is generally a very noticeable one and the three seed usually can compete nationally without embarrassing the conference, so why boot them out if they slip up one time?  Point would have been eliminated almost every year under this format.  IDK, I just don't like it, dont' think it's fair, and don't think it will stick!

Here's some info I gathered.....

The power's that be, said the Tournament needed to be completed in two days, (due to monetary reasons) with all games taking place on ONE WIAC member's home field.  That right there limited what you could do since there aren't any lights on any WIAC fields at this time.  One of the proposals was to have the #1 and #2 play a three game series, with the winner earning the automatic bid.  The AD's and coaches decided they would rather have the #3 and #4 seeds at least have a chance, however small it may be, so they chose this set-up instead, which fit the parameters that were set by the league.

Could something change in the future?  Probably, but I have a feeling this set-up will be around for a few years at least.

[Dagger]

I heard last night Point will be without Koback, Arch, and Williams.  If this is indeed true, Point will be 2 and out.

Really?  

I just can't quiet figure out the motivation for some of your ridiculous posts on here!  I mean you're this wonderful fan of so many years, yet you never say anything even remotely positive about the team or coach.  if it were up to you, cummings (probably 1st team all conference) would not be playing, williams at the beginning of the year apparently was horrible and shouldn't be in the rotation (top 5 pitcher in the conference)...and so on and so on.  At what point do you just stop posting random remarks with no insight, or factual backing?  

Williams and Koback are both fine (unless you know something that none of their teammates do!),  Arch is not 100% and is a little stiff, but I get the feeling that he's going to be ready to play.  And even without them, I don't think it's as simple as a 2 and out for them.  You still have barry and delorit who are both very capable of shutting teams down, and an offense that is inconsistent yes, but at the same time very capable of blasting any team in the country out of the water.  If the bats show up, the pitching doesn't need to be at its best anyway.  Plus you still have nix, and although he's wildly inconsistent, he's still got filthy stuff and when/if he figures it out on the mound you do not want to be a fan of the opposing team because he will shut you right down!  He will also walk the entire team and give up several runs on occasion...BUT...if he's our number 3 or 4, go find me a better potential matchup in the country with a D3 team that has a 3-4 that is nix's caliber (when he's on).  Even if a team had time to bring their ace back, I still feel pretty good with a tired sore armed ace going up against a fresh nix.  And Come tournament time he (nix) seems to always come up big when you need him to, so don't let him fall off the radar screen just yet.

[BaseballFan]

http://www.wiacsports.com/baseball/2009Bracket.pdf

Take a peek at the bracket & pay particular attention to the "If Necessary" game.  In the footnote, it states that Game #5 (If necessary game) will be played if loser of WW/Point wins game #3 & Game #4. 

Since the footnote doesn't say anything about the possibility of the winner of Game #1 advancing to the championship round, we could then logically interpret this to say that if the winner of Oshkosh/LAX were to advance and eventually beat the winner of WW/Point, then the "If necessary" game wouldn't be necessary and the winner of Osh/LAX would be the champion. 

In a typical double elimination format this would not be true.  However, in this screwed up format, it just might be the case. 

Anyone care to take an educated guess? 

Given that no one on here knew the three way regular season tiebreaker criteria, I'm guessing that our opinions would be speculation.  Anyone with an "in" to the WIAC offices?         

I believe the footnote is incorrect or should have another footnote. It should say "Game 5 will be played if the winner of game 2 loses game 4."

My interpretation is that the bracket is double elimination for top 2 seeds and single elimination for bottom 2 seeds. But who knows maybe I am wrong because it is just speculation.

And i knew how the 3 way tie was determined  .

[Dagger]

yeah, my understanding is that it is a double elimination format for the 1/2 seeds and single elimination for the 3/4 seeds.  just think of it as a regular double elimination format being on the second day of the tournament, with UWO and UWL having lost their first games and UWSP and UWW having won theirs.

[Just Bill]

Here's some info I gathered.....

The power's that be, said the Tournament needed to be completed in two days, (due to monetary reasons) with all games taking place on ONE WIAC member's home field.  That right there limited what you could do since there aren't any lights on any WIAC fields at this time.  One of the proposals was to have the #1 and #2 play a three game series, with the winner earning the automatic bid.  The AD's and coaches decided they would rather have the #3 and #4 seeds at least have a chance, however small it may be, so they chose this set-up instead, which fit the parameters that were set by the league.

Could something change in the future?  Probably, but I have a feeling this set-up will be around for a few years at least.

People can scoff at Witter Field's small dimensions and proximity to Point, but at least it let us have a regular double elimination tournament on a single field.

[Dagger]

prucha field is smaller than witter, and with the constant wind that blows out and a shorter outfield fence it plays even smaller! 

[voice]

The wind will likely be blowing out on Friday and blowing in on Saturday for what its worth.

One other note:

All WIAC tournament games that include UW-Whitewater will be broadcast live with Gary Douglas and Tom Pattison on KOOL 106.5.  The games will be streamed by clicking onto:
http://www.uwwsports.com/sports/gen/2007/followthewarhawks_09202007.asp
Click onto click here to listen

[cubs]

http://www.wiacsports.com/baseball/2009Bracket.pdf

Take a peek at the bracket & pay particular attention to the "If Necessary" game.  In the footnote, it states that Game #5 (If necessary game) will be played if loser of WW/Point wins game #3 & Game #4. 

Since the footnote doesn't say anything about the possibility of the winner of Game #1 advancing to the championship round, we could then logically interpret this to say that if the winner of Oshkosh/LAX were to advance and eventually beat the winner of WW/Point, then the "If necessary" game wouldn't be necessary and the winner of Osh/LAX would be the champion. 

In a typical double elimination format this would not be true.  However, in this screwed up format, it just might be the case. 

Anyone care to take an educated guess? 

Given that no one on here knew the three way regular season tiebreaker criteria, I'm guessing that our opinions would be speculation.  Anyone with an "in" to the WIAC offices?   

No educated guess here, just the facts.....

IF La Crosse or Oshkosh happen to win their first three games, they are indeed the WIAC Tournament Champion, and receive the automatic bid into the NCAA Tourmnament.  The reasoning is that they will have beaten each of the other three teams involved, if that is indeed how things happen to play out.

[cubs]

Midwest Region Overall Record/In-Region Record
1. St. Thomas (Minnesota) 28-9 21-8
2. St. Scholastica 31-4 22-3
3. St. Olaf 25-11 20-8
4. Wisconsin-Stevens Point 27-13 25-12
5. Concordia Chicago 29-13 27-7
6. Wisconsin-Oshkosh 23-15 22-14

Looks like Point would be the only WIAC team with a realistic shot at a Pool C bid if they don't win the Conference Tournament, and even that might be "slim."