BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Titan20]

Does anyone know where Eichstadt is going to play next year after quitting Oshkosh this year?  As much as I love seeing Point beat Oshkosh it's really hurting the strength of the WIAC this year to have Oshkosh this down.  I also cannot see them taking a game vs Whitewater but will hold out hope that they take 1 game.  You can't control injuries but there has to be a reason why guys are transferring/quitting during the season at Oshkosh.

If he is going to actually play next year, he will have to go to a non-WIAC school, since he already had played for two years at Oshkosh.  If he wants to go to a WIAC school, he will have to sit out next season and resume playing in 2012.

Carthage? Augie is great at getting kids thast leave other programs.
Where is he from?

He is an Appleton kid, and you and I both know he has been very successful with the Appleton area kids in the past.  Boe Baitinger, Dan Gassner, Justin Hallock, and Dusty Reid are just a few that come to mind.

maybe tom needs to start treating his players better and not threatening them by saying he's going to "bash his head in with a baseball bat when we get back"...that usually doesnt help his case...and there are many more incidents like this that have happened over the past few years...not a good way to keep players and help with recruiting...

[badgerwarhawk]

The WARHAWKS took two from LaCrosse today 13-10 and 5-4 (10 innings). 

The WARHAWKS scored runs in each of the first four innings and led 7-4 in the first game.  LaCrosse took the lead 8-7 with four runs in the seventh.  The WARHAWKS answered with six runs in the eighth  to go on top 13-8.  LaCrosse scored a pair of runs in the ninth for the final score.  Aaron Leitner got the start for the WARHAWKS and went six innings. Kyle Lee (5-0) pitched the last three innings and got the win.  Jeff Donovan went 3X6 with 4 RS and 2 RBI that included a home run.  Ryan Leavitt (2X6, 4RS, 2 RBI) and Ben Kuhlmann (2X5, 2 RS, 2 RBI) also had home runs.  Tim Conway (2X4, 2 RS, Double) and Nick Rechlitz (2X4, 2 RS) had multiple hits.

In game two the WARHAWKS scored first and led 2-0 after the first inning.  LaCrosse got on the board and tied the game with single runs in the second and sixth innings.  The WARHAWKS regained the lead with a run in the seventh and added to it with another in the top of the eighth.  However LaCrosse tied the game a second time with a pair of runs in the bottom of the eighth.  Both teams had a runner on base in the ninth but neither could score and the game went to extra innings.  Mike Kenseth led off the WARHAWK tenth with a double and advanced to third on Conroy's sacrifice bunt.  After Rechlitz had lined out Kenseth scored the winning run on a wild pitch.  LaCrosse threatened to tie the game in the bottom of the tenth but Jordan Stine, after catching a fly out, threw out the runner at home.   Jeff Donovan got the start and went six innings allowing two runs on four hits and striking out three.  Riley Tincher relieved him and went two innings before being relieved by Kyle Lee (6-0) who got the win retiring the three batters he faced in the ninth before being relieved by Jason Hooper who picked up his first save on the season.  Donovan (2x4, 1 RS, 2 RBI) had another home run as did Rechlitz.  Leavitt (2x5), Stine (2x5), Rob Coe (2x5) and Conroy (2x3) had multiple hits. 

In other action:
Oshkosh split with Platteville winning the first game 14-3 and losing the second one 5-4.
Stevens Point took both ends of the double hitter from Superior 11-9 and 16-14.
Stout was beaten twice by Bethel 6-5 and 24-2 in nonconference action. 

[szlongball]

Is it just me or is the quality of pitching in the WIAC absolutely terrible this year?

[Dagger]

there's quality, it's just thin....I would say the depth of pitching in the WIAC is terrible this year.

[cubs]

I would agree with szlongball on this one....  There are some teams who don't really even have a shut down pitcher, and those that do only have one.  The days of having a 1A and 1B seem to be non-existent this season, with Whitewater and Point being the closest with their combination Tincher/Hooper and Wiliams/Delorit.  By the time some teams are getting to their #3 and #4's, it's really getting ugly.

[cubs]

maybe tom needs to start treating his players better and not threatening them by saying he's going to "bash his head in with a baseball bat when we get back"...that usually doesnt help his case...and there are many more incidents like this that have happened over the past few years...not a good way to keep players and help with recruiting...

He treated me just fine for the four years I was there, and it wasn't as if I was an All Conference player or anything.  While he had a few choice words for me and others, it was nothing we couldn't handle. 

Some guys are just a bit tougher and have thicker skin than guys do now.  As soon as things get tough, it's easier to quit and have mom and dad come pick them up in Superior.  Wonder what these guys are going to do when they get in the real world and their boss gets on their case a bit......  Not exactly a guy I am going to be in a hurry to hire!!!

[Titan20]

maybe tom needs to start treating his players better and not threatening them by saying he's going to "bash his head in with a baseball bat when we get back"...that usually doesnt help his case...and there are many more incidents like this that have happened over the past few years...not a good way to keep players and help with recruiting...

He treated me just fine for the four years I was there, and it wasn't as if I was an All Conference player or anything.  While he had a few choice words for me and others, it was nothing we couldn't handle. 

Some guys are just a bit tougher and have thicker skin than guys do now.  As soon as things get tough, it's easier to quit and have mom and dad come pick them up in Superior.  Wonder what these guys are going to do when they get in the real world and their boss gets on their case a bit......  Not exactly a guy I am going to be in a hurry to hire!!!

give me  a break...its real classy to have a coach tell u to get the "**** off the field and when we get back to oshkosh ur off my team"...so why would i stay on the team and be the TB for the rest of the weekend?  F that..and glad i did leave to btw...so i didnt have the embarrassment of raking up my own field for the regionals and not playing on it...must have missed out dang...and its not toughness..ive seen guys get choked out...not cool..but if u wanna call it toughness feel free...i dont care...and yes, if u are not a good player, u mean **** to him...theres a reason people are not going to oshkosh anymore...the stories are leaking out...

[badgerwarhawk]

The WARHAWKS won both sides of today's double hitter, 8-6 & 8-4, to sweep the four game weekend series with LaCrosse.

The two teams were scoreless through three innings in the first game before LaCrosse got on the board first with a single run in the fourth.  The WARHAWKS answered with two runs in the fifth and three more in the sixth to go up 5-1.  In the seventh LaCrosse exploded for five and retook the lead 6-5 however the WARHAWKS answered with three in the eighth.  Jason Hooper got the start and went six innings giving up three runs on four hits and striking out four.  Bryan Dominick (1-0) relieved him and although he gave up a pair of runs in the single inning he pitched he picked up his first win of the season.  Kyle Lee and Ben Versnik pitched an inning apiece with Versnik recording his third save.  Ryan Leavitt (2x5, 2 RS, 4 RBI, Home run), Tim Conroy (2x4, 2 RS) and Nick Rechlitz (2x2, 2 RS, RBI) had multiple hit games while Ben Kuhlmann drove in a pair of runs with a double.

The WARHAWKS scored single runs in the first, third and seventh innings to lead 3-0 in the second game.  LaCrosse answered with a pair of runs in the seventh and a two out two run home run in the eighth inning gave them a 4-3 lead.  However the WARHAWKS put up a five spot in the ninth.  Jordan Stine's RBI single tied the game and Rob Coe's RBI single put the WARHAWKS ahead for good.  Riley Tincher started the game giving up five hits and two runs in seven innings.  Kyle Lee took the mound in the eighth but was quickly replaced by Eric Schmitz (1-0) who was credited with the win pitching just .2 innings.  Versnick finished the game by striking out the side after having hit a batter and surrendered a single.  Jordan Stine (2x4, 2 RS, RBI) was the only WARHAWK hitter to have multiple hits.  Daniel Putnam,  Jeff Donovan (Double), Rob Coe, Conroy, Mike Kenseth and Rechlitz all recorded RBIs. 

Around the league:

Stevens Point fell two games behind by splitting with Superior 5-10 and 11-1.  Point takes the series 3-1.
Oshkosh split with Platteville again today 4-5, 8-0.  The two split the series 2-2.

[szlongball]

So cubs, when did you play in Oshkosh? Played the last 5 years? Without knowing the full story on why players are leaving Oshkosh,what makes you an expect on what type of player they are or were? What makes you sure they would ask you for a job? Not sure you are someone I would want my son working for.  Don't think this has anything to do with having tough skin. You threaten me--I'm outta here! Guessing this also  not a case of running to mommy and daddy crying either.

[pickleshiner]

I didn't catch the Point Superior series but was happy to see Point won 3 of 4.  I also was happy to see live stats yesterday since I was out of state.  I see Point did spoil a 12 K performance by Delorit today.  Only 4 Earned must have been some errors.  Whitewater did what they had to do and that's win on the road in the WIAC.  Looks like LaCrosse isn't too far behind though. 

[cubs]

Never said I was an expert on anything.....  Anyway, when I was talking about hiring people, I was talking about it in general terms, not myself literally.

Btw-What specifically were you talking about when you said this wasn't a case of running to mommy and daddy?

[badgerwarhawk]

maybe tom needs to start treating his players better and not threatening them by saying he's going to "bash his head in with a baseball bat when we get back"...that usually doesnt help his case...and there are many more incidents like this that have happened over the past few years...not a good way to keep players and help with recruiting...

I'm a little confused.  Did Lechnir say he was going to bash the player's head in with a baseball bat when we get back or did he say he was going to bash his own head in with a baseball bat when they got back?  If it was the former I would say that's a tad over the line but if it was the latter, he was going to bash his own head in, I would tend to think that he was using hyperbole and trying to communicate a high level of  frustration with the situation to make a point and it wasn't meant to be taken literally.  That doesn't seem all that horrendous.

[Titan20]

Never said I was an expert on anything.....  Anyway, when I was talking about hiring people, I was talking about it in general terms, not myself literally.

Btw-What specifically were you talking about when you said this wasn't a case of running to mommy and daddy?

I guess you can call it want you want...i did go home in Superior just because he said i was off his team...why would i want to stay?  There were plenty of players that i told i was leaving and knew that i was leaving and did nothing to stop me...so that shows that they dont care about me and didnt care i was leaving...so why would i want to stay when the team doesnt care or the coach?  My dad was at the game so i called him before he left and i went home...best decision i made ...and as for the job thing?  it isnt getting tough or anything...if my boss is going to threaten me and not want me part of the team why would i say on the team or with the job?  doesnt sound like a fun environment...
and warhawks...i was told that he said to the player that he was going to bash in his (the players) head when they got back from the dome and he quit...

[pickleshiner]

This sounds like a pretty honest recollection from a former player and if this stuff is true something should be done.  I know Lechnir is a "Legondary coach" whose probably on his way out after this year regardless but hopefully if they continue to struggle this year no one will get verbally abused or injured.  From knowing former guys on the Oshkosh team I've been told it takes a certain type of personality to play for him.  There has to be a reason why guys like Spurney, Wiczek, Jirschele, all left to go to Point and it's starting to all make sense.  Either way rumors have been spreading for close to 10 years now about Lechnir and his style and yet kids still make the decision to begin their career there thinking it must not be that bad.  One problem I do have with kids now though is a sense of entitlement.  Just because you were good in high school doesn't guarantee your a starter in the WIAC.  Some kids need to learn suck it up and be a man but I'm not condoning abuse if that is indeed the case.  My advice for Eichstadt would be to transfer to Point even if he has to sit out next year.  Thomas and Tuschen will be graduated after next year along with Fritz.  We could have Eichstadt at 2B, Jirschele at SS, and a slew of other Oshkosh transfers and win the world series.  Maybe Sebesta will be at Point next year in our outfield to replace Spurney.

[badgerwarhawk]

[and warhawks...i was told that he said to the player that he was going to bash in his (the players) head when they got back from the dome and he quit...

If that was the case then I'd have to agree that it was over the line and if I were that player's parent I would be having a conversation with the athletic director.  I don't think coaching involves threatening kids with physical violence even if you didn't actually mean it literally.  

I think that if they are any good they should transfer to WHITEWATER.