BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Babe Truth]

It would be hard to argue with your reasoning or your picks.  And I'm sure no one would suggest you're dissing La Crosse.  On the other hand, if the All Conference selections don't recognize their team's accomplishments with at least 5 or 6 players chosen, something would definitely be wrong. Last year SP had 7 players taking 8 spots in that group.

Here's a question - are only league games allowed to be factored in, and not non-conference stats?

[cubs]

It would be hard to argue with your reasoning or your picks.  And I'm sure no one would suggest you're dissing La Crosse.  On the other hand, if the All Conference selections don't recognize their team's accomplishments with at least 5 or 6 players chosen, something would definitely be wrong. Last year SP had 7 players taking 8 spots in that group.

Here's a question - are only league games allowed to be factored in, and not non-conference stats?

Only WIAC games, which is why I made the picks I did....

[BoBo]

Back from the Dead to champs.

[ShineTime]

For Point I'm guessing Schilter, Jirschele, Seidl, and Gerber are all locks for first team.

[Babe Truth]

Here's a question - are only league games allowed to be factored in, and not non-conference stats?

Only WIAC games, which is why I made the picks I did....

I suppose that levels the playing field a bit, but isn't that sort of like if MLB did not include interleague stats, or the NFL not counting NFC-AFC game stats?

But if the WIAC really was interested in a level playing field . . .
I realize the post season has no bearing on all-conference selection. And I realize there is a Conference-Only stat page as almost an afterthought at the end of the listings. But what really makes no sense at all is how team and player post-season numbers keep accumulating in the WIAC season stats until no team is left standing. That totally skews any season stat that isn't an average - hits, runs, rbi's, HRs, K's, you name it - in favor of the teams that are able to keep playing. The league's resulting final lists of category leaders become pretty meaningless. Last year Whitewater earned 10 additional games - 25% more - to add to their numbers.  It just doesn't seem right for those players who lead the league after 24/40 games, only to see their mark eclipsed 5 games later, or for those stat hounds who like to look back now and then to compare teams or players.
Can anyone here offer a reasonable explanation?

[cubs]

I think the only guys from Oshkosh you will see are Polcyn and Van Abel making the First Team.  Westphal may get an Honorable Mention selection as his numbers aren't terrible, other than his W/L record.

[badgerwarhawk]

Here's a question - are only league games allowed to be factored in, and not non-conference stats?

Only WIAC games, which is why I made the picks I did....

I suppose that levels the playing field a bit, but isn't that sort of like if MLB did not include interleague stats, or the NFL not counting NFC-AFC game stats?

But if the WIAC really was interested in a level playing field . . .
I realize the post season has no bearing on all-conference selection. And I realize there is a Conference-Only stat page as almost an afterthought at the end of the listings. But what really makes no sense at all is how team and player post-season numbers keep accumulating in the WIAC season stats until no team is left standing. That totally skews any season stat that isn't an average - hits, runs, rbi's, HRs, K's, you name it - in favor of the teams that are able to keep playing. The league's resulting final lists of category leaders become pretty meaningless. Last year Whitewater earned 10 additional games - 25% more - to add to their numbers.  It just doesn't seem right for those players who lead the league after 24/40 games, only to see their mark eclipsed 5 games later, or for those stat hounds who like to look back now and then to compare teams or players.
Can anyone here offer a reasonable explanation?

Because they are "season" stats and a "season" lasts as long as a team is still playing.  Should a player be penalized and his production discounted because his team extends their season beyond that of another team? 

WHITEWATER selections....Herum, Fon, Schmitz.   Possible Beyer, Friend and Stewart.

[Babe Truth]

Here's a question - are only league games allowed to be factored in, and not non-conference stats?

Only WIAC games, which is why I made the picks I did....

. . . Can anyone here offer a reasonable explanation?

Because they are "season" stats and a "season" lasts as long as a team is still playing.  Should a player be penalized and his production discounted because his team extends their season beyond that of another team? 

Well, I'd think most people would view the extra games' results as post-season stats.  Take last year's home run leaders in the NL: Kemp 39 - Fielder 38 - Pujols 37.  Using WIAC logic, after the final WS pitch was thrown it would have looked like this: Pujols 42 - Fielder 41 - Kemp 39.  It seems to me Kemp with his near-miss of the Triple Crown would be the one penalized in the annals of MLB.

[Just Bill]

It's not just the WIAC and it's not just baseball. The NCAA sets the statistics guidelines for all sports and that's how they're counted. UW-Whitewater's football team certainly benefits statistically from playing five playoff games a year for the last seven years. In college sports, your season is all your games whether you make the postseason or not.

[cubs]

I thought the rule was that they could play in up to 30% of the team's games but none of them could be beyond the midway point of the season.  Our season is 41 games.

BTW-I hope Whitewater isn't playing 41 games....  I believe the NCAA has a 40 game regular season limit.  I would assume that game with Concordia next week would just be a single game even though both websites have it listed as a DH.

I see both Concordia and Whitewater have today's game listed as a single game at 3:00 on the schedule. 

Originally an oversight by someone?

[Babe Truth]

UWL:  Fanta 1B, Braga OF, Cefalu OF, Johnson P, Lauersdorf P, Verthein P,  on bubble: Harazin C
UWW: Fon 3B, Herum 1B, Leavitt DH, Schmitz P,   bubble: Friend OF
UWSP: Schilter C, Jirschele 2B, Gerber 1B, Clark OF, Seidl SP,    bubble: Douglas SS
UWO: Polcyn SS, Van Abel 2B,   bubble: Westphal P
UWSup: Soderquist OF,   bubble:  Branum P
UWP:     Oppriecht P,  bubble: Theis P
UWSto:  Gangestad SS    bubble:  Shoch OF

Position Player of Year:  Herum
Pitcher of Year: Seidl
Coach of Year: Schwarz, UWL

[Just Bill]

I thought the rule was that they could play in up to 30% of the team's games but none of them could be beyond the midway point of the season.  Our season is 41 games.

BTW-I hope Whitewater isn't playing 41 games....  I believe the NCAA has a 40 game regular season limit.  I would assume that game with Concordia next week would just be a single game even though both websites have it listed as a DH.

I see both Concordia and Whitewater have today's game listed as a single game at 3:00 on the schedule. 

Originally an oversight by someone?

No. It was changed from a DH to a single just yesterday. Sometimes teams might schedule 41 games on the assumption that both of them will lose a game to weather at some point. If that doesn't happen, then they just drop it down to a single game.

[badgerwarhawk]

Taken from this week's Around the Nation:

The Mets recalled UW-La Crosse utility Vinny Rottino. This is Rottino's second stint in the majors in the last two years and fifth overall dating back to 2006. Through May 6 Rottino was 0-for-2 with both at-bats coming as a pinch hitter against the Diamondbacks.

[badgerwarhawk]

WARHAWKS beat Concordia-Wisconsin 11-8.  Lietner get the win in relief of Schmitz.  Each team used multiple pitchers. 

[cubs]

I thought the rule was that they could play in up to 30% of the team's games but none of them could be beyond the midway point of the season.  Our season is 41 games.

BTW-I hope Whitewater isn't playing 41 games....  I believe the NCAA has a 40 game regular season limit.  I would assume that game with Concordia next week would just be a single game even though both websites have it listed as a DH.

I see both Concordia and Whitewater have today's game listed as a single game at 3:00 on the schedule. 

Originally an oversight by someone?

No. It was changed from a DH to a single just yesterday. Sometimes teams might schedule 41 games on the assumption that both of them will lose a game to weather at some point. If that doesn't happen, then they just drop it down to a single game.

Ahh...  That makes sense.  Teams always seem to lose a game or two on their spring trip, so it's a good idea to have a back-up plan.