BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[TitanDoubles]

Daytona Bryden led off game three with a solo home run and went up 3-0 when Cal Aldridge singled and Steve Chamberlain doubled in runs in the third.  The WARHAWKS lead increased to 4-0 with a run scoring on a fielder's choice in the fourth.  The Titan's cut the lead to 4-3 with a three run home run in the sixth.  None of the three runs should have been scored but the base umpire's failure to call an obvious runner interference on what should have been an inning ending double play extended the inning resulting in the home run.  Though it probably didn't matter in the long run as the Titan's added three runs in both the seventh and the ninth.

Care to elaborate on the play in question?

[badgerwarhawk]

Top of the sixth.  Titans on first and second.  Hitter grounds to short who tosses to second for the force.  When the second baseman turns to throw he has to jump to avoid the runner who comes in high with his leg up and slides past the base. In the process he clips the second baseman who is unable to make a throw to first.  The slide was illegal and by rule both runners are out.  That would have ended the inning.  Instead it leaves runners on first and third and the batter crushed the ball over the left field fence. 

But the umpire didn't make the call so I suppose that makes the slide legal.   

[Baseball Geek]

Top of the sixth.  Titans on first and second.  Hitter grounds to short who tosses to second for the force.  When the second baseman turns to throw he has to jump to avoid the runner who comes in high with his leg up and slides past the base. In the process he clips the second baseman who is unable to make a throw to first.  The slide was illegal and by rule both runners are out.  That would have ended the inning.  Instead it leaves runners on first and third and the batter crushed the ball over the left field fence. 

But the umpire didn't make the call so I suppose that makes the slide legal.   

It was certainly one of the more unfortunate calls this season. You never know how something like that changes the overall momentum of the game.

[badgerwarhawk]

You never know but for clarification it wasn't my intention to suggest it was the reason we lost.  The Titans outplayed us plain and simple.  We missed some opportunities, they didn't when it counted. 

[TitanDoubles]

Top of the sixth.  Titans on first and second.  Hitter grounds to short who tosses to second for the force.  When the second baseman turns to throw he has to jump to avoid the runner who comes in high with his leg up and slides past the base. In the process he clips the second baseman who is unable to make a throw to first.  The slide was illegal and by rule both runners are out.  That would have ended the inning.  Instead it leaves runners on first and third and the batter crushed the ball over the left field fence. 

But the umpire didn't make the call so I suppose that makes the slide legal.   

FWIW,
1. The runner can slide high so long as the sliding runner's foot is below covering fielder's leg.
2. Unless the NCAA has adopted the new MLB rule, the runner can slide past the bag so long as the runner is not sliding outside of the width of the bag.

The only illegal slide I saw last weekend was that of a Warhawk runner on Saturday who slid well oustide the width of the bag at second to break up a double play. Also, if MLB rules apply, the Warhawk runner I observed failed to maintain control of second base. Again though, I don't know if MLB rules apply.

On a different note, it was nice to UWO's Gorsuch pick up a win in relief back in his hometown of Whitewater. Surprised that Vodenlich couldn't reign him in.

[cubs]

Top of the sixth.  Titans on first and second.  Hitter grounds to short who tosses to second for the force.  When the second baseman turns to throw he has to jump to avoid the runner who comes in high with his leg up and slides past the base. In the process he clips the second baseman who is unable to make a throw to first.  The slide was illegal and by rule both runners are out.  That would have ended the inning.  Instead it leaves runners on first and third and the batter crushed the ball over the left field fence. 

But the umpire didn't make the call so I suppose that makes the slide legal.   

FWIW,
1. The runner can slide high so long as the sliding runner's foot is below covering fielder's leg.
2. Unless the NCAA has adopted the new MLB rule, the runner can slide past the bag so long as the runner is not sliding outside of the width of the bag.

The only illegal slide I saw last weekend was that of a Warhawk runner on Saturday who slid well oustide the width of the bag at second to break up a double play. Also, if MLB rules apply, the Warhawk runner I observed failed to maintain control of second base. Again though, I don't know if MLB rules apply.

On a different note, it was nice to UWO's Gorsuch pick up a win in relief back in his hometown of Whitewater. Surprised that Vodenlich couldn't reign him in.

Try again.... 

A runner has not been allowed to slide past the base since at least 19??.  MLB is just "catching up" to the rules that the NCAA has had in place since then.  American Legion baseball adopted the rule in the mid-1990's, and they took/copied the NCAA rule.

I can still remember having a Midwest Regional end on that very call!!!

[Just Bill]

Page 75 of the NCAA Baseball rule book tells you all you need to know. The NCAA rule has always been more restrictive than the MLB rule, until the MLB rules changes this season.

A runner may slide past the base as long as he stays in the extended base line.

If the runner's raised leg makes contact with the fielder higher than his knee, it should be interference.

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/BA16.pdf

Force-Play-Slide Rule
SECTION 4. The intent of the force-play-slide rule is to ensure the safety of
all players. This is a safety and an interference rule. Whether the defense could
have completed the double play has no bearing on the applicability of this rule. This rule pertains to a force-play situation at any base, regardless of the number
of outs.
a. On any force play, the runner must slide on the ground before the base
and in a direct line between the two bases. It is permissible for the slider's
momentum to carry him through the base in the baseline extended (see
diagram).
Exception—A runner need not slide directly into a base as long as the
runner slides or runs in a direction away from the fielder to avoid making
contact or altering the play of the fielder. Interference shall not be called.
1) "On the ground" means either a head-first slide or a slide with one leg
and buttock on the ground before the base.
2) "Directly into a base" means the runner's entire body (feet, legs, trunk
and arms) must stay in a straight line between the bases.
b. Contact with a fielder is legal and interference shall not be called if the
runner makes a legal slide directly to the base and in the baseline extended
(see diagram).
A.R. If contact occurs on top of the base as a result of a "pop-up" slide, this contact
is legal.
c. Actions by a runner are illegal and interference shall be called if:
1) The runner slides or runs out of the base line in the direction of the
fielder and alters the play of a fielder (with or without contact);
2) The runner uses a rolling or cross-body slide and either makes contact
with or alters the play of a fielder;
3) The runner's raised leg makes contact higher than the fielder's knee when
in a standing position;
4) The runner slashes or kicks the fielder with either leg; or
RULE 8 / Base Running 77
5) The runner illegally slides toward or contacts the fielder even if the fielder
makes no attempt to throw to complete a play.
PENALTY for 1-5—(1) With less than two outs, the batter-runner, as well
as the interfering runner, shall be declared out and no other
runner(s) shall advance.
2) With two outs, the interfering runner shall be declared out and no other
runner(s) shall advance.
3) If the runner's slide or collision is flagrant, the runner shall be ejected
from the contest.
A.R. If the bases are loaded with no outs, a double-play attempt is made, and
interference is called, all other runners must return to their original bases.
Note: On a force play, with a two-man umpiring system, if the plate umpire does
not have a potential play at the plate, he should move toward the base to observe the
runner going into second or third base. In this situation, the base umpire must follow
the throw and may not see the true effect of the lead runner's action.

[cubs]

Page 75 of the NCAA Baseball rule book tells you all you need to know. The NCAA rule has always been more restrictive than the MLB rule, until the MLB rules changes this season.

A runner may slide past the base as long as he stays in the extended base line.

Now it bothers me even more after all these years!!!!!!! 

[cubs]

BTW-Thanks for listing the rules Just Bill!!!

[AppletonRocks]

You never know but for clarification it wasn't my intention to suggest it was the reason we lost.  The Titans outplayed us plain and simple.  We missed some opportunities, they didn't when it counted.

I checked in with Tom Lechnir and he said you would be hearing from his lawyers once he is back as the coach of the Titans......

[Just Bill]

Page 75 of the NCAA Baseball rule book tells you all you need to know. The NCAA rule has always been more restrictive than the MLB rule, until the MLB rules changes this season.

A runner may slide past the base as long as he stays in the extended base line.

Now it bothers me even more after all these years!!!!!!! 

Essentially MLB adopted most of the more restrictive rules that NCAA has been using for years.

[cubs]

Page 75 of the NCAA Baseball rule book tells you all you need to know. The NCAA rule has always been more restrictive than the MLB rule, until the MLB rules changes this season.

A runner may slide past the base as long as he stays in the extended base line.

Now it bothers me even more after all these years!!!!!!! 

Essentially MLB adopted most of the more restrictive rules that NCAA has been using for years.

So safe to assume NCAA doesn't have the rule that MLB does that "runner must hold the base" that we have seen called a couple of times already this season?

[badgerwarhawk]

Just to clarify I've only intended this running post to include out of conference results.


Results to date:

Platteville: 14-5; Elmhurst (L, 9-10), Milwaukee School of Engineering (W, 2.0), Loras (W, 12-1), Northland (W, 15-5), Lasell (W, 13-5), Augustana (L, 5-7), St Lawrence (W, 6-5), SUNY-Purchase (W, 12-2), Western Connecticut State (W, 15-11), Milikin (W, 16-5), Wooster (L, 8-9), Marian (W, 10-0), Marian (L, 4-9), Chicago (L, 1-5), Chicago (W, 13-4), Edgewood (W, 15-2), Cornell (W, 6-5), Lawrence (W, 5-1), Lawrence (W, 10-7)
Next: Edgewood 4/27

Stout: 7-8;  Heidelberg (W, 6-5), Heidelberg (W, 7-4), Bethel (L, 4-8), Bethel (W, 2-1), Wooster (L, 2-12)  John Hopkins (L, 13-16), Augustana (W, 4-2), Edgewood (W, 10-5), Edgewood (L, 5-14), Vassar (W, 7-3), Vassar (L, 3-13), St Olaf (W, 15-10), St Thomas (L, 0-2), St Thomas (L, 1-6), Northland (L, 2-4), Northland (W, 6-0)
Next: Superior 5/4

La Crosse: 11-6; Anderson (W, 11-1), Anderson (W, 24-1), Rutgers-Camden (L, 4-16), SUNY Cortland (L, 3-4), Ripon (W, 18-0), Ripon (W, 15-5), Rowan (W, 8-3), Rowan (L, 1-3), Benedictine (L, 1-12), William Paterson (W, 15-9), St Marys (W, 9-2), St Marys (W, 8-1), St Scholastica (W, 14-4), St Scholastica (W, 5-4), St Scholastica (L, 8-12), St Thomas (W, 14-6), St Thomas (L, 4-8)
Next: St Olaf 4/28

Oshkosh: 8-8-1; North Park (L, 1-4), Concordia-Chicago (L, 1-4), Buena Vista (L, 3-12), Webster (L, 3-4), St Scholastica (L, 2-3), Eastern Connecticut (L, 5-7), Allegheny (W, 7-3), Salve Regina (W, 20-3), Salve Regina (W, 10-9), St Thomas (L, 4-5), Southern Maine (L, 4-7), Concordia-Wisconsin (W, 17-5), Ripon (W, 13-1), St Mary (T, 11-11), Ripon (W, 8-1), Lawrence (W, 16-3), Carroll (W, 2-1)
Next: Carroll 5/4

Stevens Point:9-9; U Mass Dartmouth (W, 5-2), Rutgers-Camden (L, 4-5), Rutgers-Camden (L, 0-10), Wheaton (L, 4-5), Union (W, 7-6), St Thomas (L, 9-10), Washington & Jefferson (W, 12-1), Southern Maine (L, 2-5), SUNY-Oswego (L, 2-5), St Joesph's (L, 4-16), St Norbert (W, 3-0), St Norbert (L, 0-2), Ripon (W, 8-4), Ripon (W, 8-2), Marion (W, 5-0), Marion (W, 12-0), St Scholastica (W, 3-1), St Scholastica (L, 1-12)
Next: Benedictine 5/3

WHITEWATER: 13-2; Anderson (W, 8-2), Framington State (W, 4-1), St Olaf (W, 16-0), St Scholastica (W, 3-1), St Scholastica (W, 9-2), Eastern Connecticut State (W, 4-3), Southern Maine (W, 2-0), St Thomas (W, 11-0), Castleton (W, 2-1), Ripon (W, 10-1),  Ripon (W, 14-1), Concordia-Chicago (L, 5-8), Concordia-Chicago (L, 5-6), Milwaukee School of Engineering (W, 4-1), Carthage (W, 2-1)
Next: Concordia-Wi 5/4

WIAC:  63-38-1  .620

[badgerwarhawk]

Solid pitching came through for the second game in a row carrying the WARHAWKS to a 2-1 win over Carthage.  The WARHAWKS offense was held to four hits.  Sophomore Heath Rentz (W, 3-0) pitched seven innings giving up a single run on five Carthage hits while striking out three and freshman James Greorgakas pitched a pair of hit less innings  earning his first save of the season.  The WARHAWKS got both runs in their first at bat on a passed ball and Dane Burman's sacrifice fly.  Carthage scored their run in the seventh. 

Hitting: Trent Diekvoss: 1x3, 2B;  Burman: SF, 1 RBI
Pitching: Rentz: 7 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 3 K; Greorgakas: 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 0 K.

[TitanDoubles]

Try again.... 

A runner has not been allowed to slide past the base since at least 19??.  MLB is just "catching up" to the rules that the NCAA has had in place since then.  American Legion baseball adopted the rule in the mid-1990's, and they took/copied the NCAA rule.

I can still remember having a Midwest Regional end on that very call!!!

Not sure about this claim about the American Legion.  Appleton hosted the American Legion Midwest Regional in 2009 and force plays at second were a point of emphasis.  At that point in time the rule was:

Past the bag and within the bag = legal
Outside the bag, regardless of whether or not the runner slid past the bag = illegal/automatic double play