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Ralph Turner

Quote from: ElRetornodelEspencio on May 24, 2016, 10:31:41 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 24, 2016, 02:04:48 PM
I wish that Massey would publish his data with the confidence intervals so we could see the real statistical evidence for the ranking. For those who have forgotten your college statistics, confidence intervals give the observer an idea of likeness or difference.

Massey #1 and Massey #25 may not be that different.

I do expect Massey #25 and Massey #125 to be different tho'

Well, you can do this just be looking at the raw rating itself. Or power rating, whichever you prefer.

The difference between #1 and #3 is as more than the difference between #3 and #22. Of course that's in large part the impact in the West region, and the #1 ranked team having played in the West regional.

But the difference between #1 and #25 is .85. To get that difference again, you have to go all the way down to #177.

Interestingly, outside of the West and South regions, 6 of the 9 highest ranked teams are going to Appleton. UWL, Cortland, Keystone, Tufts, UWW, Fisher, Wooster, La Roche -- Oswego, Case, Ramapo, St. Scholastica, TCNJ, Buena Vista, Otterbein, Rose-Hulman, Marietta, Wartburg, St. John's, North Central, Wash U, Grinnell, RU-Camden are the rest of the teams in the top 50 outside of the South and West.  So if Massey could lick this skew problem, it would probably be a very good ranking, aside from the usual Massey issue with weak SOSs (which explains Tufts, Grinnell, Scholastica, Otterbein).


My guess is that if someone was to email Massey, he wouldn't know anything about the regions in D3, and he would defend his system in the absence of any "local knowledge" that would give him any greater insight. I've known other people that created computer rankings and it's like an inventor and their invention.

True and +1!. I really dislike smites.

Maybe I need to rethink Massey. Massey always ranked favorable the WIAC in football. Basketball for Massey also seemed to make sense. So I have believed that the ranking system carried over to baseball where other forms of cross-checking that I considered were not available.

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In Basketball and Football there is much less divisional crossover where D3s are playing D2 and/or NAIA schools.
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badgerwarhawk

The awards just keep piling up for Kohlwey, Anderson and Boushey.  Kohlwey named D3baseball.com All American Player of the Year.  Anderson and Boushey also garner first team honors.

For the complete list:  http://www.d3baseball.com/awards/all-americans/d3baseball-allamericans-2016
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Westside

Kohlwey's numbers are so ridiculous. Haven't seen a season like that since they changed the bats... I remember the 2010 World Series where every team had at least one guy with those kind of numbers... silly.

Congrats to him from a random guy out West!
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AppletonRocks

Pretty embarrassing series for the Warhawks.  :-[ :-[
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Brian R. Carroll

I enjoyed my brief stay in Appleton, but not the loss to Trinity. We simply couldn't get the critical hit, leaving 13 on base. Kudos to the Trinity pitcher and defense. They are a solid club.

AppletonRocks

Quote from: Brian R. Carroll on May 29, 2016, 03:46:34 PM
I enjoyed my brief stay in Appleton, but not the loss to Trinity. We simply couldn't get the critical hit, leaving 13 on base. Kudos to the Trinity pitcher and defense. They are a solid club.

Gave up 8 runs. Many with 2 outs.   :-[ :-[
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badgerwarhawk

Quote from: AppletonRocks on May 29, 2016, 01:29:54 PM
Pretty embarrassing series for the Warhawks.  :-[ :-[

Well I guess if you're going to be embarrassed I'd rather it be when you're one of only eight teams still wearing a uniform.   After all a program could go 9-21 and have your whole season be an embarrassment.   
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badgerwarhawk

Kohlwey went hitless in his final game ending his streak at 49 (or maybe 50, I'm not sure).  At any rate the streak shatters the previous record which was 37.  Interestingly that record was set by Kohlwey last year. 
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cubs

Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 31, 2016, 11:09:29 AM
Kohlwey went hitless in his final game ending his streak at 49 (or maybe 50, I'm not sure).  At any rate the streak shatters the previous record which was 37.  Interestingly that record was set by Kohlwey last year.
It was 51...

Thought for sure he had 52 on two different occasions Sunday night, but a pair of diving catches prevented it.  Fitting that Kohlwey actually got another chance in the 9th inning after making an out in the 8th inning, but it wasn't to be as he grounded out for the final out of the Eagles season.
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Just Bill

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Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 31, 2016, 11:09:29 AM
Kohlwey went hitless in his final game ending his streak at 49 (or maybe 50, I'm not sure).  At any rate the streak shatters the previous record which was 37.  Interestingly that record was set by Kohlwey last year.

BW, your information doesn't appear to be accurate, unless you were talking about conference or school records or something else.

Kohlwey's streak this season was 48, but added to the last three games of last season, brings his streak to 51. Kohlwey didn't have a 37-game hitting streak last season. His longest was 9 games. As a sophomore he had a 29-game streak. CORRECTION: His 29-game streak from his sophomore year was extended to 37 his junior year, so yes he did have a 37-game streak. My bad. Looks like UWL didn't submit that streak for an addition to the record book last year.

He actually didn't break the NCAA Division III record. That's Damian Costantino of Salve Regina from April 1, 2001 to March 10, 2003. Kohlwey's streak of 51 ranks second all-time, and 48 is (I think) the longest single-season streak, but the NCAA record book doesn't list that.

Consecutive Games Hitting Streaks (through 2015 season)
No. Player, Team vs. Opponent Date(s)
60 Damian Costantino, Salve Regina April 1, 2001-March 10, 2003
46 Corey Breyne, Aurora 1998
43 Justin Harriman, St. Scholastica March 27, 1999-April 1, 2000
42 Jason Armstrong, Trinity (TX) Feb. 17-March 23, 2004
41 Kevin Murphy, Wesley March 16, 2010-March 2, 2011
41 Tony DeLude, Delaware Valley May 5, 2000-March 9, 2002
40 Jose Fulgencio, New Jersey City March 25, 2007-March 16, 2008
40 Steve Smith, Bridgewater St. March 11, 2005-March 10, 2006
39 Brian Kolb, Wheaton (IL) March 20, 2008-March 31, 2009
38 Thomas Verrengia, Manhattanville March 2-May 4, 2008
38 Alex Weber-Shapiro, Claremont-M-S April 14, 2007-April 20, 2008
38 Bryan Caruso, Endicott March 25, 1999-March 23, 2000
37 Al Posch, Gettysburg March 24, 2013-March 14, 2014
37 Brad O’Connell, Wis.-Stout April 28, 2000-May 5, 2001
36 Nick Maiorano, Westminster (PA) March 16, 2008-March 7, 2009
36 Jay Quintana, Mary Washington 2003-04
35 Tony Miner, Southern Me. April 5-May 28, 1997

http://www.uwlathletics.com/custompages/Baseball%20Stats/2016stats/plyr_24.htm
http://www.uwlathletics.com/custompages/Baseball%20Stats/2015stats/plyr_24.htm
http://www.uwlathletics.com/custompages/Baseball%20Stats/2014stats/plyr_24.htm
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badgerwarhawk

Quote from: Just Bill on May 31, 2016, 11:41:16 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 31, 2016, 11:09:29 AM
Kohlwey went hitless in his final game ending his streak at 49 (or maybe 50, I'm not sure).  At any rate the streak shatters the previous record which was 37.  Interestingly that record was set by Kohlwey last year.

BW, your information doesn't appear to be accurate, unless you were talking about conference or school records or something else.

Kohlwey's streak this season was 48, but added to the last three games of last season, brings his streak to 51. Kohlwey didn't have a 37-game hitting streak last season. His longest was 9 games. As a sophomore he had a 29-game streak. CORRECTION: His 29-game streak from his sophomore year was extended to 37 his junior year, so yes he did have a 37-game streak. My bad. Looks like UWL didn't submit that streak for an addition to the record book last year.

He actually didn't break the NCAA Division III record. That's Damian Costantino of Salve Regina from April 1, 2001 to March 10, 2003. Kohlwey's streak of 51 ranks second all-time, and 48 is (I think) the longest single-season streak, but the NCAA record book doesn't list that.

Consecutive Games Hitting Streaks (through 2015 season)
No. Player, Team vs. Opponent Date(s)
60 Damian Costantino, Salve Regina April 1, 2001-March 10, 2003
46 Corey Breyne, Aurora 1998
43 Justin Harriman, St. Scholastica March 27, 1999-April 1, 2000
42 Jason Armstrong, Trinity (TX) Feb. 17-March 23, 2004
41 Kevin Murphy, Wesley March 16, 2010-March 2, 2011
41 Tony DeLude, Delaware Valley May 5, 2000-March 9, 2002
40 Jose Fulgencio, New Jersey City March 25, 2007-March 16, 2008
40 Steve Smith, Bridgewater St. March 11, 2005-March 10, 2006
39 Brian Kolb, Wheaton (IL) March 20, 2008-March 31, 2009
38 Thomas Verrengia, Manhattanville March 2-May 4, 2008
38 Alex Weber-Shapiro, Claremont-M-S April 14, 2007-April 20, 2008
38 Bryan Caruso, Endicott March 25, 1999-March 23, 2000
37 Al Posch, Gettysburg March 24, 2013-March 14, 2014
37 Brad O'Connell, Wis.-Stout April 28, 2000-May 5, 2001
36 Nick Maiorano, Westminster (PA) March 16, 2008-March 7, 2009
36 Jay Quintana, Mary Washington 2003-04
35 Tony Miner, Southern Me. April 5-May 28, 1997

http://www.uwlathletics.com/custompages/Baseball%20Stats/2016stats/plyr_24.htm
http://www.uwlathletics.com/custompages/Baseball%20Stats/2015stats/plyr_24.htm
http://www.uwlathletics.com/custompages/Baseball%20Stats/2014stats/plyr_24.htm


Thanks for the correction cubs.  I lost track but I knew I could count on you to correct it so I didn't really try to clarify it.   

My bad, JB, I should have clarified that I was referring to the conference record which I found on the conference website.   I didn't check it against the NCAA record book.  Thanks for making the clarification and for the national information.   

   
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cubs

Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 31, 2016, 01:32:39 PM
Thanks for the correction cubs.  I lost track but I knew I could count on you to correct it so I didn't really try to clarify it.
Not sure if I should take that as a compliment or an insult?!?!?  ;D
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badgerwarhawk

Quote from: cubs on May 31, 2016, 01:50:36 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 31, 2016, 01:32:39 PM
Thanks for the correction cubs.  I lost track but I knew I could count on you to correct it so I didn't really try to clarify it.
Not sure if I should take that as a compliment or an insult?!?!?  ;D

Definitely a compliment.  The only reason I didn't check it out more thoroughly is that I knew you would know and correct it if need be.   
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AppletonRocks

Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 31, 2016, 02:08:15 PM
Quote from: cubs on May 31, 2016, 01:50:36 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 31, 2016, 01:32:39 PM
Thanks for the correction cubs.  I lost track but I knew I could count on you to correct it so I didn't really try to clarify it.
Not sure if I should take that as a compliment or an insult?!?!?  ;D

Definitely a compliment.  The only reason I didn't check it out more thoroughly is that I knew you would know and correct it if need be.

Learn that approach in Lackadaisical Research 301 in the UW-W biz school?   ???
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