BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[janesvilleflash]

"I have heard of" doesn't quite get the job done when you make observations like you have. Either you know or you don't. Don't get me wrong, I'm not calling you a liar, just that when you make accusations like that, you need to be able to back them up.

[BigPoppa]

I know for a fact that it happened at a junior college I coached at.... and I have spoken with alums at other schools that admit to "overpaying" a student-athlete to do a simple job.

Forgive me if I do not give names.

[pastprime]

Well, I know for a FACT it happens.  I have first hand knowledge of just one example but I also do not want to divulge what or how this particular way is done.  I know the people personally who where able to take advantage of this type of financial gain.  I think this is wrong but am in a catch 22 and don't want to say anything.  I don't know if ALL teams in ALL sports do this kind of thing.  But I'm not ignorant to the fact that there are SOME schools and SOME sports that do find ways to give some players some sort of extra help financially. 

[janesvilleflash]

Just curious, would it be illegal for me to hire a D3 athlete to work in my yard and pay him or her $20 an hour?

[REDMENFAN]

I have no idea if it would be illegal, but I'm sure it happens a lot. These players need some type of spending money in college. Not everyone can just ask Mom and Dad for money whenever they need it. I know D-1 athletes aren't supposed to have jobs, I'm not sure about D-3. Also, does anyone know if D-1 guys aren't supposed to have jobs only during the season of the sport they play, or year round?

[JUSTINTYEM]

Last i knew(10 years ago) in D-1 it all depended on your scolly level ie:Fully,parial, and so on.I know for a "FACT" full scolly athletes couldnt work.But they did recieve money(coupons) for meals to be used on campus.I knew some partial scolly athletes that had part-tie jobs.But the rules may have changed since then.

[janesvilleflash]

D3 athletes can and most do have jobs. That's why I can't see someone paying them to do odd jobs could be against any rules. What difference if they work at McDonalds, or doing yard work for someone? I assume you guys are talking about something much different that that? Shoveling someones sidewalk while they are in Florida for the winter and getting paid $50 a week wouldn't amount to a violation in my opinion.

[REDMENFAN]

I agree. If someone wants to pay an athelte to do work, there shouldn't be a problem with that. Plus, if it  wasn't supposed to be allowed, I don't think the NCAA monitors too closely what D-3 athletes do outside of sports!

[Just Bill]

Just curious, would it be illegal for me to hire a D3 athlete to work in my yard and pay him or her $20 an hour?

It could be.  If the NCAA or the school came investigating you would have to show why $20/hour was not an excessive amount.  (It's the going rate in the neighborhood, I pay other laborers the same rate, my yard is really big, etc.).

[POUNDTHEROCK]

First f all division theree athletes can have jobs for doing anything. It could be walking the big boosters dog, or just getting the little old lady ion the wheelchair her mail everyday because she can't.
As fas as illegal recruiting in terms of coaches telling joe from Greenfield to talk to bobby from greenfield to come to UW Whitewater or where ever nothing is illegal about that.
This is how most division three and all divisions for that matter recruit. They use people in the program from school X to recruit good players to their school from school X.
So nothing is illegal about that. I do know that at Division one though you can not have alumni former players come in and talk to potential student athletes. USC

[POUNDTHEROCK]

USC did this and they then realized that this was a violation of NCAA rules,and reported themselves or something to that anture.
As far as rules on recruiting and stuff at division three. Since no one really commits or anything and their are no letters of intent to sign. I do not believe there are a lot of rules to follow.
I am not an expert so I maybe wrong on that. However havving bobby talk to Joe from Podunk high where bobby went is not illegal,and niether is allowing student athletes to get paid,as long as they do the work, but thats how it is for everyone.

[BigPoppa]

First f all division theree athletes can have jobs for doing anything. It could be walking the big boosters dog, or just getting the little old lady ion the wheelchair her mail everyday because she can't.
As fas as illegal recruiting in terms of coaches telling joe from Greenfield to talk to bobby from greenfield to come to UW Whitewater or where ever nothing is illegal about that.
This is how most division three and all divisions for that matter recruit. They use people in the program from school X to recruit good players to their school from school X.
So nothing is illegal about that. I do know that at Division one though you can not have alumni former players come in and talk to potential student athletes. USC

Geez... mix in a spellcheck once in a while. You may have had good points, but it was so poorly constructed that I doubt anyone could choke their way through it. I am not saying that as an insult, but I am trying to make sure your point gets heard. Also, do not be afraid of the capital letters. They are your friend.

[POUNDTHEROCK]

Thanks Big Poppa.
Maybe I shouldn't drink while I am typing.
My point is that it's not illegal to have kids recruits kids from their high schools,and it is not illegal for kids to work for people as long as it's a legit job at the d3 level.

[BigPoppa]

Thanks Big Poppa.
Maybe I shouldn't drink while I am typing.
My point is that it's not illegal to have kids recruits kids from their high schools,and it is not illegal for kids to work for people as long as it's a legit job at the d3 level.

I agree that players are the best recruiters for a program. Who are recruits going to trust more than their own friends?!!

In regards to drinking while typing... I think it should be a pre-requisite to esure the truth comes out...

"en vino veritas."

[janesvilleflash]

nunc est bibendum