BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[cubs]

badgerwarhawk-
Do you happen to know who is doing the stats out in Arizona for the baseball team?  I would hope it isn't the SID.  If you talk to the SID have him look over a couple of the games, as I believe there are a few games that are incorrect.  

Greg Riek shouldn't have picked up the loss yesterday, as the starter gave up 6 runs.  

Also, in the 9th inning against Southern Maine, three of the four runs Riek gave up should have been Earned runs instead of Unearned as you can't assume a double play on the ground ball that Stewart made an error on.  

I haven't looked at all the games that closely, but those two were pretty obvious to even the average fan.

[Just Bill]

Who are you?  Greg Riek's daddy?   

Just kidding.  The stats I see on the UWW web site don't reflect the errors you are talking about, so it looks like the problems are being corrected.

[badgerwarhawk]

Sorry, I haven't any idea who's keeping stats in Arizona.   I doubt it's the SID.  Personally the only stat I worry about is wins and losses and that ain't going that well right now. 

[cubs]

Just kidding.  The stats I see on the UWW web site don't reflect the errors you are talking about, so it looks like the problems are being corrected.

Are you sure....  He is still labeled the losing pitcher in the Gustavus Adolphus boxscore, and the runs against Southern Maine are still listed as unearned.   The season stats indicate the same thing.

http://www.uww.edu/athletics/mbaseball/gusadg1.htm
http://www.uww.edu/athletics/mbaseball/smg1.htm
http://www.uww.edu/athletics/mbaseball/teamcume.htm

[Just Bill]

Ah, I misread your post.  Yes, I see the discrepencies you are talking about.

In the Southern Maine game however, I count only two earned runs for Riek.

In the 8th, he's responsible for Vardaro's run. (ER: Vardaro)

In the 9th, we assume the Vadaro is out without the error by 3B, and it remains 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs (benefit of the doubt always goes to the pitcher).  Burleson's single then would have scored Lemieux from third anyway, so that's earned.  Then, Borque's fly to CF should have been the third out of the inning, so all the other runs wold be unearned. (ER: Lemieux, UE: Pike, D'Andrea, Vardaro)

It's also kind of odd to credit two RBI's to Vardaro on the play with the error by the third baseman.  That assumes that BOTH runners would have scored without benefit of the error.  That seems unlikely.

If you like baseball scorekeeping stuff, check out http://www.baseballscorecard.com  There's a message board there, and they do these kinds of things all the time.

[badgerwarhawk]

I was just on that site JB.  Excellent, if baseball scoring is what you're interested in.

Whoever it was that was asking about Mike Kuhn, he saw the field for the first time yesterday as a back up catcher and walked his only time at bat.   WARHAWKS[/color] creep over .500 at 5-4 with a 12-5 win over Williams College.

[REDMENFAN]

Thanks for the info on Kuhn. Do you know what year the guy starting ahead of him is?

[cubs]

In the Southern Maine game however, I count only two earned runs for Riek.

In the 8th, he's responsible for Vardaro's run. (ER: Vardaro)

In the 9th, we assume the Vadaro is out without the error by 3B, and it remains 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs (benefit of the doubt always goes to the pitcher).  Burleson's single then would have scored Lemieux from third anyway, so that's earned.  Then, Borque's fly to CF should have been the third out of the inning, so all the other runs wold be unearned. (ER: Lemieux, UE: Pike, D'Andrea, Vardaro)

It's also kind of odd to credit two RBI's to Vardaro on the play with the error by the third baseman.  That assumes that BOTH runners would have scored without benefit of the error.  That seems unlikely.

JB-
8th inning-Correct, 1 Earned run for Riek
9th Inning-Unsure

Here is how I see it.  Please correct me if I have something wrong.

-Bases Loaded One Out (Single, Double, HBP)
-Next Batter-E5-Scorer assumes you get the out at first, so now 2nd and 3rd, run scored-(Earned) Two Outs
Next Batter-Single-Run Scores (Earned) 1st and 3rd Two Outs
Next Batter-F8-Three Outs

That would be 2 Earned in the 9th, for 3 ER total in his appearance correct??

[cubs]

Thanks for the info on Kuhn. Do you know what year the guy starting ahead of him is?

Bill Gorman is a Junior, however two other Catchers (Matt Millar and Jon Deck) have been seeing significant playing time (2 Starts each) ahead of Kuhn.  Millar is a Sophomore and Deck is a Junior.

[REDMENFAN]

Thanks. Either Kuhn played in a pretty poor conference in high school, or whitewater just has some amazing catchers. Like I said, I've never seen him play, but he was always in the Kenosha paper, hit over .500, and was supposed to be one of the top hitters in the state. Any word on how other teams from the WIAC are doing? I saw Whitewater is 5-4, how about some other records?

[Just Bill]

JB-
8th inning-Correct, 1 Earned run for Riek
9th Inning-Unsure

Here is how I see it.  Please correct me if I have something wrong.

-Bases Loaded One Out (Single, Double, HBP)
-Next Batter-E5-Scorer assumes you get the out at first, so now 2nd and 3rd, run scored-(Earned) Two Outs
Next Batter-Single-Run Scores (Earned) 1st and 3rd Two Outs
Next Batter-F8-Three Outs

That would be 2 Earned in the 9th, for 3 ER total in his appearance correct??

I overlooked the HBP.  I'm getting sloppy in my old age.

On the E5 play you would have to see it to know for sure.  My orginal assumption was the fielder would have taken the lead runner out at home plate, thus leaving the bases loaded.  If the ball was a slow roller and the only possible play was at first, then I might score it like you did.  And considering that they were holding a lead in the ninth, it might be reasonable to assume the fielder would take the "sure" out at first.

This is one of those where you have to see it to know for sure.

[cubs]

Came across an intersting stat today when going through the Conference stats for some of the WIAC teams. 

Through 14 games, UW Oshkosh batters have taken 39 HBP's this season compared to their pitchers giving up 37 BB's.

Just thought it was an interesting stat you probably won't see too often so I thought I would share it.

[Just Bill]

Good to see that UW-Superior is right in mid-season form.     66-4 total score over four games.  Yikes.

[Just Bill]

I'll try to do a weekly update through the season just to keep conversation flowing.  I'll focus on the WIAC games, because I don't want to get carried away with keeping up with everything.

UW-Stout 10, UW-La Crosse 6
UW-La Crosse 16, UW-Stout 0 (7 innings)
UW-Stout 15, UW-La Crosse 10
UW-Stout 6, UW-La Crosse 2

UW-Oshkosh 22, UW-Superior 0 (7 innings)
UW-Oshkosh 12, UW-Superior 2 (7 innings)
UW-Oshkosh 10, UW-Superior 1
UW-Oshkosh 22, UW-Superior 1 (7 innings)

UW-Stevens Point 7, UW-Platteville 2
UW-Stevens Point 10, UW-Platteville 0 (7 innings)
UW-Stevens Point 15, UW-Platteville 5 (8 innings)
Game 4 - Cancelled (Rain)

Standings
OSH  4-0
SP  3-0
ST  3-1
WW  0-0
LC  1-3
PLT  0-3
SUP  0-4

[BigPoppa]

Can Whitewater get back on track?? Are they suffering a National Title hangover? What's the deal?