BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[BigPoppa]

I'll take a stab at Oshkosh's all-time team. Seems like a fun diversion. With rare exception, I'm going with the guys I have seen in person (1987-present). The others just have to be the team.

P Jarrod Washburn (mid 90s)
P Troy Cota (early 80s)
P Craig Glysch (late 90s)
P Andy Kimball (mid 90s)
P Jordan Timm (early 00s)
C Kevin Murdock (mid 80s)
1B Craig Lieder (mid 90s)
2B Jeremy Jirschele (mid 00s)
3B Aaron Richartz (early 90s)
SS Tim Jorgensen (mid 90s -- best position player of all-time?)
OF Jeff Zappa (mid 90s)
OF Terry Jorgensen (mid 80s)
OF Scott Mann (early 90s)
DH Pat McDonald (late 80s)

Honorable Mention: OF Vince Mancuso (early 00s); C Casey Kopitzke (late 90s); UTIL Chris Delarwelle (late 80s); 2B Don Garvey (early 90s); OF Tom Jeremko (early 80s); OF Erik Morrell (late 90s); SS Kevin Reichardt (mid 80s); 2B Brian Bott (mid 90s); SS Jeff Carl (early 80s); P Todd Evers (late 80s); SS Bruce Schreiber (late 80s); 1B Rusty Tiedemann (mid 80s); 3B Lee Wetenkamp (late 70s).

That is a heck of a list of talent. I would guess that they were each all-americans as well? I doubt that any D3 team can match the talent that UW-O has pushed through its system. Many of those players might end up on the NCAA's all-time list as well.

[OshDude]

Poppa,
All except Murdock at were All-Americans. I chose him over catchers who were All-Americans, though. My first team of 14 players has combined for 24 All-American seasons. That even includes 19 seasons for players on my list not named Jorgensen.
I could have stacked the team even better as Oshkosh has had 58 total All-American seasons (by my count).
I even left a bunch of Oshkosh greats off the list like Jim Gantner, Gary Varsho, Jack Taschner, Doe Boyland, Aaron Luepke, Mike Gasper, etc.
It really is an amazing program with a great tradition.

[BigPoppa]

I even left a bunch of Oshkosh greats off the list like Jim Gantner, Gary Varsho, Jack Taschner, Doe Boyland, Aaron Luepke, Mike Gasper, etc.
It really is an amazing program with a great tradition.

Tough to leave 3 big-league players off the team, but it is still a solid team even without them. How many other D3 programs have at least 5 major leaguers (Terry Jorgensen-Twins, Gary Varsho-Cubs, Jarrod Washburn-Angels/Mariners, Jim Gantner- Brewers, Jack Taschner- Giants)? It might be tough for any program to match that one.

[OshDude]

Tough to leave 3 big-league players off the team, but it is still a solid team even without them. How many other D3 programs have at least 5 major leaguers (Terry Jorgensen-Twins, Gary Varsho-Cubs, Jarrod Washburn-Angels/Mariners, Jim Gantner- Brewers, Jack Taschner- Giants)?
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That's not even all of them. Doe Boyland, Jim Magnuson and Dan Neumeier also made the bigs.

[janesvilleflash]

Here is a list I found with (suposedly) the Wisconsin schools that had MLB players. Beloit suprised me.
Beloit College (7)
Cardinal Stritch University (1)
Carthage College (1)

Marquette University (1)
Ripon College (1)
University of Wisconsin-La Crosse (5)

University of Wisconsin-Madison (26)
University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh (8)
University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point (1)

University of Wisconsin-Superior (1)
University of Wisconsin-Whitewater (2)
Viterbo University (1)

[cubs]

Honorable Mention: OF Vince Mancuso (early 00s); UTIL Chris Delarwelle (late 80s);

Both Delarwelle and Mancuso were National POY's and yet they can't crack your 1st team?  Hmmmm......

[BigPoppa]

Honorable Mention: OF Vince Mancuso (early 00s); UTIL Chris Delarwelle (late 80s);

Both Delarwelle and Mancuso were National POY's and yet they can't crack your 1st team?  Hmmmm......

OshDude has a tough task ahead of him with all the talent at UW-O.

[cubs]

Honorable Mention: OF Vince Mancuso (early 00s); UTIL Chris Delarwelle (late 80s);

Both Delarwelle and Mancuso were National POY's and yet they can't crack your 1st team?  Hmmmm......

OshDude has a tough task ahead of him with all the talent at UW-O.

Even with all that talent, UWO has only won the National POY four times (by three different players, Tim Jorgensen twice) which would make one think that all three of those guys would be locks for UWO's all time team.  Heck, I believe Mancuso played four different positions in his four years at UWO (3B, C, LF, and DH) surely he could be listed at one of those spots over someone on that list.

[cubs]

Cubs,
That's why we have opinions...express yours with your own team. I won't even take potshots like you do with my posts.

I'm not taking a "pot-shot" at you.....  Just because I think two guys should be on there doesn't mean I'm taking a shot at you.

Also, remember that guys like Mancuso, Kopitzke, and Parnell used wood bats for one season, (1999 I believe) so that affected their all time numbers when comparing them to the other All time greats at UWO.

[janesvilleflash]

I'll give it a try
3b Rick Birkholz
2b Don Garvey
ss Jim Gantner
1b Chris Delarwelle
c  Kevin Murdock
of Lynn Held
of Vince Mancuso
of Terry Jorgensen
p  Jordan Timm

[OshDude]

Flash,
You went old school on me with a few picks. Did you see any of the older guys play? Wish I could have seen Gantner. Can you give me anything on Birkholz and Held? I never saw them either.
I can't argue with the rest except Mancuso over Zappa or Mann for the reason I stated and no Tim Jorgensen? That's a bold opinion!

[janesvilleflash]

Just going on what I saw, for the most part. Held turned out to be a good friend of mine through couching in later years, he played with Gantner. I have no realistic knowledge, just thought I'd give you an oldtimers glimpze. I'm totally impressed whith you guys and your knowledge of UWO baseball. There is indeed another generation coming up,

[BigPoppa]

Just going on what I saw, for the most part. Held turned out to be a good friend of mine through couching in later years, he played with Gantner.

I am assuming that you meant to say COACHING, but I have a vast array of friends who I now COUCH with as well... especially on Superbowl Sunday.

[janesvilleflash]

I'm old, but not that old, yes coaching. Thanks.

Now that I think of it, I will be doing some "couching" for the super bowl too!!

[janesvilleflash]

Oshdude- I know what you mean about Tim Jorgensen, but I just couldn't leave Gantner off. If it makes you feel better, I will concede Jorgensen had a better arm.