Posters' Poll

LogShow · March 06, 2008, 06:17:22 PM

Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on March 06, 2008, 04:55:43 PM
Quote from: LogShow on March 06, 2008, 01:09:36 AM
Yeah Whitman usually hits their peak/stride right about the middle of July during summer ball.

Whitman, the name makes me wonder...

Are they a great literary school or more of a yodeling cowboy institution

Or a school founded be transendentalists...

LogShow · March 06, 2008, 06:18:18 PM

It was actually named after the Whitman missonary family in good ol' Walla Walla, Washington.

smedindy · March 07, 2008, 09:34:20 AM

Oh, now, for some reason, I have the great SCTV skit "Indira" in my head. Why? Because it 'co-starred' Slim Whitman...

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · March 15, 2008, 09:34:29 PM

I've finally found out why this poster's poll is invaluable:

Things are looking mighty good atop this Ursinius bandwagon and I now have proof that I've been a believer from the beginning.

Mr. Ypsi · March 21, 2008, 06:42:29 PM

Ursinus made the Final Four, but Coast Guard took out their main threats - Trinity(maybe?), UMD and Rochester. Ursinus never faced a ranked team other than #21 Va Wes until Salem - and promptly got destroyed by Amherst.

I have nothing against Ursinus (and will probably vote them about 10th), but I hope no one goes overboard that they are a top 4 team.

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · March 22, 2008, 03:27:59 PM

My poll is in. There's a minute left in the final, but things seem to have worked themselves out.

Mr. Ypsi · March 22, 2008, 09:22:52 PM

It will probably appal Hoops Fan (it certainly did me

) that our top five are identical! Beyond that, we agreed on #9, and some others were close, but there were enough radical disagreements to keep us each from hara kiri.

So, two ballots tabulated - I hope to post the poll by Monday night.

Ralph Turner · March 23, 2008, 12:48:38 AM

Mine is in.

magicman · March 24, 2008, 08:56:41 AM

Mine is in. Hope we get a good turnout for the final poll.

smedindy · March 24, 2008, 09:55:33 AM

My poll will be the actual NCAA placing, with 5-8 based on where the teams that beat them placed, etc. since that's what counts now.

Pat Coleman · March 24, 2008, 10:15:03 AM

That's rewarding teams for the NCAA's bracketing.

smedindy · March 24, 2008, 11:04:32 AM

Hey, it is what it is. You want a better ranking, win games!

Actually, I don't really like any post-season polling. The issue has been decided, in my mind.

Mr. Ypsi · March 24, 2008, 12:20:41 PM

Quote from: smedindy on March 24, 2008, 11:04:32 AM
Hey, it is what it is. You want a better ranking, win games!

Actually, I don't really like any post-season polling. The issue has been decided, in my mind.

With due respect, your ranking system (and we're doing polling, not ranking) is illogical. Even #2 vs #3 is an arbitrary product of the schedule if they didn't play each other in a semi - afterall (as this year) they both beat #4 and both lost to #1; the schedule, not court results, determined which was #2.

And to determine 5-8 and 9-16 just by WHO they lost to (without even bothering with who they beat, how close the games were, etc.) is to compound the arbitrary rewards of the schedule-makers and pretend that it is a ranking based on results. Not to mention the teams unfortunate enough (due to geographical matchups) to face a final four team in the first or second round - even if they took them to OT (e.g., Augie vs. Wash U), a season of accomplishment is ignored due to the bracket-makers schedule.

smedindy · March 24, 2008, 12:44:07 PM

Well, you can discard it then. I've always done that, even as a kid, just for my curiosity in the NCAA and the Indiana HS tourney where a team would 'place', as it were. It's just how I rank teams at the end of the season when they have a tourney to decide the champ. To me, right now, #2 through #405 is moot.

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · March 24, 2008, 03:50:01 PM

Quote from: smedindy on March 24, 2008, 12:44:07 PM
Well, you can discard it then. I've always done that, even as a kid, just for my curiosity in the NCAA and the Indiana HS tourney where a team would 'place', as it were. It's just how I rank teams at the end of the season when they have a tourney to decide the champ. To me, right now, #2 through #405 is moot.

He does have a point here. There have been years where, in my opinion, the team holding the trophy at the end of the year has not been the best team, yet I would be reamed if I chose to put someone other than WashU at the top of my ballot.

I don't think his way is a good was of ranking teams, but we have to consider it as valid a way as anything else. We give the tournament a lot of credit in picking a champion, there is at least a case to be made extending it to the rest of the field.

This year is a poor example, since the champ actually endured perhaps the toughest possible set of games in the tournament, but in d3 its conceivable an above-average team could get an easy road to Salem and then get lucky twice (either playing out of their minds or the opponents having off nights).