Posters' Poll

[Mr. Ypsi]

Guys, this is the 7th year of the PP, but if interest doesn't ramp up, it may be the last for me (as compiler).  I'm gonna start typing now (I'll re-start if anyone sends another ballot, or even the promise of another ballot), but another week of 12 (with 2 newbies, but 2 no-shows, and MANY no-shows from previous times) is discouraging.

[smedindy]

Maybe we need a fresher marketing angle!

[Mr. Ypsi]

Posters' Poll, thru games of 1-15-12

1.  Midd          280 (1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,2,5,5,6)
2.  UWW         272 (1,1,1,2,3,3,4,4,4,5,6,6)
3.  MIT           263 (1,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5,7,12)
4.  Va Wes      256 (1,2,2,2,3,3,3,4,5,5,8,18)
5.  Hope         246 (1,1,3,3,4,5,7,7,7,7,9,12)
6.  UMHB        220 (4,5,6,6,6,7,7,8,9,10,11,13)
7.  Whitworth  215 (5,5,6,6,7,8,8,9,9,10,11,13)
8.  CMS          211 (2,3,4,7,8,8,8,9,11,11,12,18)
9.  Amherst     198 (3,3,4,4,6,8,9,10,13,17,17,20)
10. IWU          179 (5,7,7,8,8,11,11,12,14,15,16,19)
11. UWSP        166 (4,8,9,9,9,10,10,11,14,17,19,-)
12. Emory        160 (6,7,8,9,10,10,11,12,12,19,22,-)
13. Wabash      125 (10,12,12,13,14,15,15,16,18,18,18,-)
14. Cabrini        114 (10,10,12,13,13,14,14,15,21,24,-,-) 
15. F & M          88 (10,11,14,14,15,16,17,24,25,-,-,-)
16. NYU            81 (9,11,16,16,17,19,20,22.24.25.-,-)
17. Wheaton     77 (9,15,15,16,16,17,22,23,24,-,-,-)
18. E. Conn       65 (10,11,12,21,22,23,23,24,24,25,-,-)
19. Witt            59 ( 14,15,17,17,19,20,22,25,-,-,-,-)
20. Lake Forest  58 ( 6,13,17,18,21,23,-,-,-,-,-,-)
21. Wooster      56 (14,16,16,17,20,21,22,-,-,-,-,-)
t22. RIC            52 (14,18,18,20,21,21,21,23.-,-,-,-)
t22. Williams      52 (13,15,18,19,19,21,25,-,-,-,-,-)
t24. Birmingham-S 50 (13,13,14,19,21,-,-,-,-,-,-,-)
t24. Wash U        50 (6,14,15,19,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-)

26. Willy Pat        47 (15,18,19,20,20,21,23,25,-,-,-,-)
27. St. Thomas    46 (17,19,19,20,20,21,22,24)
28. Hardin-Simmons 40 (12,13,20,22,25,25,25)
29. Grinnell          33 (11,16,18)
30. UWRF            31 (15,16,16)
31. Augie            29 (12,15,21,25)
32. Lycoming       28 (13,20,23,23,23)
33. Transy           17 (20,22,23,24,24)
34. Wesleyan       16 (18,22,22)
35. WPI               6 (22,24)
t36. OWU             3 (23)
t36. W. Conn         3 (23)
t38. Oswego         2 (24)
t38. UPS              2 (24)
t40. Adrian           1
t40. DePauw         1

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I only had five true outliers this time.  I was the high water mark for Wesleyan (which served me well after the win over Amherst this evening) and Transylvania, as well as Mary Hardin-Baylor.

[Mr. Ypsi]

I only had five true outliers this time.  I was the high water mark for Wesleyan (which served me well after the win over Amherst this evening) and Transylvania, as well as Mary Hardin-Baylor.

Good call on Wesleyan - they were my #26 or #27.

[Mr. Ypsi]

I was wondering if Va Wes, Emory, and Birmingham-Southern are all lagging behind the d3 poll because I can't get any southern voters (except Ralph), but then realized that I now have NO west coast voters, and Whitworth and CMS are both AHEAD of the d3 poll.  In my best Emily Litella: Never mind.

[sac]

I was wondering if Va Wes, Emory, and Birmingham-Southern are all lagging behind the d3 poll because I can't get any southern voters (except Ralph), but then realized that I now have NO west coast voters, and Whitworth and CMS are both AHEAD of the d3 poll.  In my best Emily Litella: Never mind.

Birmingham Southern's weak schedule keep them out for me.  Cabrini and F&M received the same fate.


I really think Wooster is a top 25 team, but their losses forced my hand and I had to leave them out.  Same with Augustana, but I'm not sure Augie is a top 25 team anymore without their big man.

The only ranked team I seem to be way off on is Amherst, I believe I was the #20 voter, if not I was one of the #17's. 

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Birmingham Southern has just played no one and not all of the games have been blow outs.  They lost to Centre, who, while not a bad team, isn't exactly a world beater.  In my book you have to have at least one signature win to move up the rankings - or an average MOV of 25+ against the scrubs.

[Ralph Turner]

My Top 25 looks closer to the official Top 25 than the Poster's Poll balloteers.

I will stand by my ballot for the second week.   

[Mr. Ypsi]

I was wondering if Va Wes, Emory, and Birmingham-Southern are all lagging behind the d3 poll because I can't get any southern voters (except Ralph), but then realized that I now have NO west coast voters, and Whitworth and CMS are both AHEAD of the d3 poll.  In my best Emily Litella: Never mind.

Birmingham Southern's weak schedule keep them out for me.  Cabrini and F&M received the same fate.


I really think Wooster is a top 25 team, but their losses forced my hand and I had to leave them out.  Same with Augustana, but I'm not sure Augie is a top 25 team anymore without their big man.

The only ranked team I seem to be way off on is Amherst, I believe I was the #20 voter, if not I was one of the #17's.

You were one of the 17s.  After their loss tonite to Wesleyan, you're lookin' good!  (Though I'd say more 10 or 11, and I wish I'd put Wesleyan in my top 25!)

(I didn't have Woo in my top 25; I did have Augie (barely) but that may not last.)

[Gregory Sager]

Guys, this is the 7th year of the PP, but if interest doesn't ramp up, it may be the last for me (as compiler).  I'm gonna start typing now (I'll re-start if anyone sends another ballot, or even the promise of another ballot), but another week of 12 (with 2 newbies, but 2 no-shows, and MANY no-shows from previous times) is discouraging.

Dunno if it'll help much, but I'll be back on board starting next week.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Guys, this is the 7th year of the PP, but if interest doesn't ramp up, it may be the last for me (as compiler).  I'm gonna start typing now (I'll re-start if anyone sends another ballot, or even the promise of another ballot), but another week of 12 (with 2 newbies, but 2 no-shows, and MANY no-shows from previous times) is discouraging.

Dunno if it'll help much, but I'll be back on board starting next week.

Yes, that will help.

And due to the poor 'attendance' this year, I am deep-sixing my previous policy (no new voters after week 2, to assure some stability in rankings).  This year new voters are welcome thru AT LEAST week 4 - come one, come all!

Sorry if I'm sounding desperate, but, hey, I'm desperate!  The PP is floundering, and I would hate to see it die.

[smedindy]

Birmingham Southern has just played no one and not all of the games have been blow outs.  They lost to Centre, who, while not a bad team, isn't exactly a world beater.  In my book you have to have at least one signature win to move up the rankings - or an average MOV of 25+ against the scrubs.

25 seems arbitrary, especially since reasonable coaches would call off the dogs at some point. Pounding teams into submission doesn't make them look better - that's why reasonable power rankings have diminishing returns. They're winning by an average of 16.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Birmingham Southern has just played no one and not all of the games have been blow outs.  They lost to Centre, who, while not a bad team, isn't exactly a world beater.  In my book you have to have at least one signature win to move up the rankings - or an average MOV of 25+ against the scrubs.

25 seems arbitrary, especially since reasonable coaches would call off the dogs at some point. Pounding teams into submission doesn't make them look better - that's why reasonable power rankings have diminishing returns. They're winning by an average of 16.

I said 25 to be accurate mathematically.  I usually look for most of the wins to be by 30.  It's really the only way you can tell much about teams playing inferior competition at this point of the year.  It's true that most teams call off the dogs early, which is why large margins of victory often indicate a strong bench.

[smedindy]

See, I disagree. I don't think you can say much about a 20-point win vs. a 30-point win. And if they go deep into the bench, or play a lot of JV players, it may not mean much at all.