Posters' Poll

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · February 02, 2010, 09:11:28 PM

I'm waiting impatiently.

Mr. Ypsi · February 02, 2010, 10:22:30 PM

Calm down, Hoops Fan!

POSTERS' POLL, January 31, 2010:

1. Guilford 322 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2)
2. Williams 303 (1,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,3,3,3,5,5)
3. UWSP 293 (1,2,2,3,3,3,3,4,4,4,5,5,6)
4. WashU 280 (1,2,2,3,3,3,5,5,5,5,7,7,10)
5. VaWes 268 3,4,4,4,4,4,4,6,7,7,7,8,8)
6. UWW 259 (4,4,5,5,6,6,6,6,7,7,7,7,9)
7. St. Thomas 247 (5,5,6,6,6,6,7,7,8,8,9,9,9,)
8. Whitworth 233 (3,4,6,8,8,8,8,9,9,10,10,10,10)
9. Willy Pat 190 (5,7,10,11,11,11,11,12,13,13,13,14,17)
10. MIT 188 (6,7,9,9,11,11,12,12,14,14,14,15,16)
11. St. Norbs 187 (6.8.8.9.11,11,11,12,13,13,16,16,17)
12. EMU 177 (8,9,10,10,11,11,12,13,13,13,14,18,19)
13. Midd 167 (4,8,10,10,10,10,13,13,15,18,19,20,21)
14. UT-Dallas 145 (9,9,10,12,12,12,14,15,16,19,19,21,25)
15. Chapman 132 (9,12,12,13,14,14,15,16,18,18,21,22,22)
16. Anderson 117 (12,13,13,15,15,16,16,16,17,19,2122,-)
17. Carthage 106 (8,14,15,17,17,17,17,20,20,20,20,22,25)
18. RandyMac 98 (12,14,15,16,18,18,18,20,20,21,22,22,24)
19. Brandeis 87 (14,15,15,17,17,18,20,20,21,21,22.25.-)
20. F & M 79 (14,15,15,16,18,19,19,19,20, -,-,-,-)
21. Wooster 76 (15,16,17,17,17,19,19,21,21,22,-,-,-)
22. Medaille 60 (11,14,18,18,20,21,23,24,25,-,-,-,-)
t23 Colby 42 (11,20,21,22,23,23,24,24,24,-,-,-,-)
t23 IWU 42 (16,19,21,21,22,22,23,23,25,-,-,-,-)
25. MissCol 40 (17,18,19,20,22,24,24,24,-,-,-,-,-)

26. Albright 31 (12,19,23,24,24,24,25)
27. St.Mary's 26 (16,18,23,24,25,25,25)
28. Lycoming 6 (23,23)
t29 SJF 4 (23,25)
t29 Hope 4 (22)
t31 Cabrini 3 (23)
t31 JCU 3 (23)
t31 Rochester 3 (23)
t34 Amherst 2 (25,25)
t34 Wilma 2 (24)
36. UMHB 1

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · February 02, 2010, 10:29:10 PM

Not as crazy as I thought. I was high outlier on WP and RMC, the low outlier on WashU, Midd, and Brandeis.

I only counted it an outlier if I was the only one at one extreme or another.

All, but my 23, 24, and 25 slots made it onto the poll.

Perhaps I'm not as crazy as I thought.

Mr. Ypsi · February 02, 2010, 10:35:09 PM

Fear not, Captain Outlier, we all still think you're crazy.

That's why we have you in the poll!

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · February 02, 2010, 10:36:49 PM

I wonder if the official poll has such a wide range of placements for some of these teams?

Ralph Turner · February 02, 2010, 10:53:44 PM

Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 02, 2010, 10:36:49 PM

I wonder if the official poll has such a wide range of placements for some of these teams?

I had a similar question, but I do buy into the diverse vote distribution.

Mr Ypsi, in your statistical expert opinion,

now that we have 12 or more votes in the poll, is our sample sufficiently large to drop the top and bottom vote in the poll and re-publish the poll?

It would be interesting to see if this would tighten the poll to more realistic voting.

Thanks

sac · February 02, 2010, 11:06:30 PM

Make a case for Medaille or Franklin and Marshall in the top 25 for me.

Both have played very weak schedules. Since people like to sight Massey........F&M 293, Medaile 368 schedule strength.

Mr. Ypsi · February 02, 2010, 11:09:59 PM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2010, 10:53:44 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 02, 2010, 10:36:49 PM

I wonder if the official poll has such a wide range of placements for some of these teams?

I had a similar question, but I do buy into the diverse vote distribution.

Mr Ypsi, in your statistical expert opinion,

now that we have 12 or more votes in the poll, is our sample sufficiently large to drop the top and bottom vote in the poll and re-publish the poll?

It would be interesting to see if this would tighten the poll to more realistic voting.

Thanks

I'd prefer to go ahead and present ALL the data.

But since I present all the votes (including the highest and lowest), anyone who wished to do what you suggest could easily re-compute the poll.

[As a statistician, I wouldn't touch our poll with a 10-foot pole!

It is neither randomly selected (and far too small for that to be wise anyway), nor expertly selected for diversity and balance (as with Pat's poll). It is what it is - a group of d3 fans giving their (hopefully, reasonably informed) opinions, then learning more about both d3 teams and the difficulties of polling by debating anomalies, whether within our poll or between our poll and Pat's.]

Mr. Ypsi · February 02, 2010, 11:18:31 PM

I've just made a correction to the poll (I think the totals are still correct). A voter noted that he had EMU 13th, but there was no 13th recorded. In fact, THREE of the votes typed as 12th were actually 13th.

My tabulation skills (while imperfect) are usually better than my typing skills.

If anyone else notes a seeming error, please let me know. (Here is OK if you must, but doing it by PM, like this voter, is so much more gracious!

)

Hugenerd · February 02, 2010, 11:25:34 PM

Looking at the numbers, it wouldnt change things much (this was with mental math so there may be mistakes):

1. Guilford 273
2. Williams 257
3. UWSP 248
4. WashU 239
5. VaWes 227
6. UWW 220
7. St. Thomas 209
8. Whitworth 194
9. Willy Pat 160
10. MIT 158
10t. St. Norbs 158
12. EMU 152
13. Midd 140
14. UT-Dallas 127
15. Chapman 111
16. Anderson 103
17. Carthage 87
18. RandyMac 82
19. Brandeis 75
20. F & M 67
21. Wooster 65
22. Medaille 45
23 IWU 32
24. MissCol 31
25 Colby 27

Only Colby drops two spots and it gets a litte tighter around #10.

frodotwo · February 02, 2010, 11:33:33 PM

Prev Wk
Rank - Points

1. Guilford 322 {2 - 309} (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2)
2. Williams 303 {3 - 289} (1,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,3,3,3,5,5)
3. UWSP 293 {1 - 325} (1,2,2,3,3,3,3,4,4,4,5,5,6)
4. WashU 280 {5 - 258} (1,2,2,3,3,3,5,5,5,5,7,7,10)
5. VaWes 268 {6 - 246} (3,4,4,4,4,4,4,6,7,7,7,8,8)
6. UWW 259 {4 - 277} (4,4,5,5,6,6,6,6,7,7,7,7,9)
7. St. Thomas 247 {9 - 220} (5,5,6,6,6,6,7,7,8,8,9,9,9,)
8. Whitworth 233 {12 - 186} (3,4,6,8,8,8,8,9,9,10,10,10,10)
9. Willy Pat 190 15 - 128} (5,7,10,11,11,11,11,12,13,13,13,14,17)
10. MIT 188 {14 - 159} (6,7,9,9,11,11,12,12,14,14,14,15,16)
11. St. Norbs 187 {13 - 174} (6.8.8.9.11,11,11,12,13,13,16,16,17)
12. EMU 177 {7 - 245} (8,9,10,10,11,11,12,13,13,13,14,18,19)
13. Midd 167 {10 - 206} (4,8,10,10,10,10,13,13,15,18,19,20,21)
14. UT-Dallas 145 {19 - 79} (9,9,10,12,12,12,14,15,16,19,19,21,25)
15. Chapman 132 {16 - 112} (9,12,12,13,14,14,15,16,18,18,21,22,22)
16. Anderson 117 {11 - 198} (12,13,13,15,15,16,16,16,17,19,2122,-)
17. Carthage 106 {23 - 35} (8,14,15,17,17,17,17,20,20,20,20,22,25)
18. RandyMac 98 {8 - 231} (12,14,15,16,18,18,18,20,20,21,22,22,24)
19. Brandeis 87 {25 - 33} (14,15,15,17,17,18,20,20,21,21,22.25.-)
20. F & M 79 {20-54} (14,15,15,16,18,19,19,19,20, -,-,-,-)
21. Wooster 76 {24 - 34} (15,16,17,17,17,19,19,21,21,22,-,-,-)
22. Medaille 60 {22 - 52} (11,14,18,18,20,21,23,24,25,-,-,-,-)
t23 Colby 42 {32 - 5 (11,20,21,22,23,23,24,24,24,-,-,-,-)
t23 IWU 42 {17 - 93} (16,19,21,21,22,22,23,23,25,-,-,-,-)
25. MissCol 40 {18 - 81} (17,18,19,20,22,24,24,24,-,-,-,-,-)

26. Albright 31 {29 - 16} (12,19,23,24,24,24,25)
27. St.Mary's 26 {27 - 21} (16,18,23,24,25,25,25)
28. Lycoming 6 {31 - 12} (23,23)
t29 SJF 4 {NV} (23,25)
t29 Hope 4 {NV} (22)
t31 Cabrini 3 {28 - 20} (23)
t31 JCU 3 {NV} (23)
t31 Rochester 3 {32 - 5} (23)
t34 Amherst 2 {21 - 53} (25,25)
t34 Wilma 2 {30 - 13} (24)
36. UMHB 1 {NV}

Dropped out: #26 Maryville; #32 CMS; #32 Calvin; #32 GAC; #37 Oneonta; #37 Wheaton

Ralph Turner · February 02, 2010, 11:34:34 PM

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 02, 2010, 10:22:30 PM
Calm down, Hoops Fan!

POSTERS' POLL, January 32, 2010:

1. Guilford ~~322~~ 273 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2)
2. Williams ~~303~~ 267 (1,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,3,3,3,5,5)
3. UWSP ~~293~~ 248 (1,2,2,3,3,3,3,4,4,4,5,5,6)
4. WashU ~~280~~ 239 (1,2,2,3,3,3,5,5,5,5,7,7,10)
5. VaWes ~~268~~ 227 (3,4,4,4,4,4,4,6,7,7,7,8,8)
6. UWW ~~259~~ 220 (4,4,5,5,6,6,6,6,7,7,7,7,9)
7. St. Thomas ~~247~~ 209 (5,5,6,6,6,6,7,7,8,8,9,9,9)
8. Whitworth ~~233~~ 194 (3,4,6,8,8,8,8,9,9,10,10,10,10)
9. Willy Pat ~~190~~ 160 (5,7,10,11,11,11,11,12,13,13,13,14,17)
10. MIT ~~188~~ 160 (6,7,9,9,11,11,12,12,14,14,14,15,16)
11. St. Norbs ~~187~~ 158 (6.8.8.9.11,11,11,12,13,13,16,16,17)
12. EMU ~~177~~ 152 (8,9,10,10,11,11,12,13,13,13,14,18,19)
13. Midd ~~167~~ 141 (4,8,10,10,10,10,13,13,15,18,19,20,21)
14. UT-Dallas ~~145~~ 127 (9,9,10,12,12,12,14,15,16,19,19,21,25)
15. Chapman ~~132~~ 111 (9,12,12,13,14,14,15,16,18,18,21,22,22)
16. Anderson ~~117~~ 103 (12,13,13,15,15,16,16,16,17,19,2122,-)
17. Carthage ~~106~~ 85 (8,14,15,17,17,17,17,20,20,20,20,22,25)
18. RandyMac 98 82 (12,14,15,16,18,18,18,20,20,21,22,22,24)
19. Brandeis 87 75 (14,15,15,17,17,18,20,20,21,21,22.25.-)
20. F & M 79 67 (14,15,15,16,18,19,19,19,20, -,-,-,-)
21. Wooster 76 65 (15,16,17,17,17,19,19,21,21,22,-,-,-)
22. Medaille 60 45 (11,14,18,18,20,21,23,24,25,-,-,-,-)
t23 Colby 42 27 (11,20,21,22,23,23,24,24,24,-,-,-,-)
t23 IWU 42 36 (16,19,21,21,22,22,23,23,25,-,-,-,-)
25. MissCol 40 31 (17,18,19,20,22,24,24,24,-,-,-,-,-)

26. Albright 31 17 (12,19,23,24,24,24,25)
27. St.Mary's 26 16 (16,18,23,24,25,25,25)

28. Lycoming 6 (23,23)
t29 SJF 4 (23,25)
t29 Hope 4 (22)
t31 Cabrini 3 (23)
t31 JCU 3 (23)
t31 Rochester 3 (23)
t34 Amherst 2 (25,25)
t34 Wilma 2 (24)
36. UMHB 1

It only knocks Colby from #23 to #25, and it brings Willy Pat and MIT into a tie.

Hugenerd has a bigger calculator, but my post is "prettier".

frodotwo · February 02, 2010, 11:37:56 PM

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 02, 2010, 10:22:30 PM
Calm down, Hoops Fan!

POSTERS' POLL, January 32, 2010:

1. Guilford 322 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2)
2. Williams 303 (1,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,3,3,3,5,5)
3. UWSP 293 (1,2,2,3,3,3,3,4,4,4,5,5,6)
4. WashU 280 (1,2,2,3,3,3,5,5,5,5,7,7,10)
5. VaWes 268 3,4,4,4,4,4,4,6,7,7,7,8,8)
6. UWW 259 (4,4,5,5,6,6,6,6,7,7,7,7,9)
7. St. Thomas 247 (5,5,6,6,6,6,7,7,8,8,9,9,9,)
8. Whitworth 233 (3,4,6,8,8,8,8,9,9,10,10,10,10)
9. Willy Pat 190 (5,7,10,11,11,11,11,12,13,13,13,14,17)
10. MIT 188 (6,7,9,9,11,11,12,12,14,14,14,15,16)
11. St. Norbs 187 (6.8.8.9.11,11,11,12,13,13,16,16,17)
12. EMU 177 (8,9,10,10,11,11,12,13,13,13,14,18,19)
13. Midd 167 (4,8,10,10,10,10,13,13,15,18,19,20,21)
14. UT-Dallas 145 (9,9,10,12,12,12,14,15,16,19,19,21,25)
15. Chapman 132 (9,12,12,13,14,14,15,16,18,18,21,22,22)
16. Anderson 117 (12,13,13,15,15,16,16,16,17,19,2122,-)
17. Carthage 106 (8,14,15,17,17,17,17,20,20,20,20,22,25)
18. RandyMac 98 (12,14,15,16,18,18,18,20,20,21,22,22,24)
19. Brandeis 87 (14,15,15,17,17,18,20,20,21,21,22.25.-)
20. F & M 79 (14,15,15,16,18,19,19,19,20, -,-,-,-)
21. Wooster 76 (15,16,17,17,17,19,19,21,21,22,-,-,-)
22. Medaille 60 (11,14,18,18,20,21,23,24,25,-,-,-,-)
t23 Colby 42 (11,20,21,22,23,23,24,24,24,-,-,-,-)
t23 IWU 42 (16,19,21,21,22,22,23,23,25,-,-,-,-)
25. MissCol 40 (17,18,19,20,22,24,24,24,-,-,-,-,-)

26. Albright 31 (12,19,23,24,24,24,25)
27. St.Mary's 26 (16,18,23,24,25,25,25)
28. Lycoming 6 (23,23)
t29 SJF 4 (23,25)
t29 Hope 4 (22)
t31 Cabrini 3 (23)
t31 JCU 3 (23)
t31 Rochester 3 (23)
t34 Amherst 2 (25,25)
t34 Wilma 2 (24)
36. UMHB 1

Isn't today the 33rd

Ralph Turner · February 02, 2010, 11:45:33 PM

I have F&M at #19, and keep them there because they and WPU (at #17) are the only teams from those two regions that seem to have any chance of being in the tourney come Elite 8. My WPU is my only drastic outlier. I will reconsider them next week. (Haw, Haw, Haw. Aaarrrrrrrggggghhhhh, I have just put a dastardly curse on the Pioneers.)

F&M might breeze thru the first three rounds and meet WPU.

If WPU's defense is as good as we have seen in the usual NJAC teams, then defense can win tourney games.
Yeah, St Mary's MD is Mid-Atlantic and Capital AC, but they are still close to the South. I think that I have a better handle on South Region teams. They are my # 24. I can see them as a higher seed and winning a weaker sectional and making it to the Sweet 16.

sac · February 02, 2010, 11:59:18 PM

.....and just so we're clear, I was not the Hope voter........flattering.