Posters' Poll

[Mr. Ypsi]

I was promised one more ballot - hopefully it will arrive while I'm out today.

Anyone else?

I'll post this evening, with or without more ballots (but hopefully with!).

[Mr. Ypsi]

FINAL POSTERS' POLL, 2010:

1. UWSP        225 (unanimous)
2. Williams     216 (unanimous)
3. Guilford      207 (unanimous)
4. EMU           195 (4,4,4,4,4,4,5,5,5)
5. RMC           191 (4,4,4,5,5,5,5,5,6)
6. Whitworth  168 (5,6,6,6,6,7,9,11,12)
7. WashU        159 (6,7,7,7,8,8,8,12,12)
8. Wooster      148 (7,7,8,8,8,9,10,12,17)
9. IWU             146 (6,6,6,7,10,11,13,14,17)
10 Carthage    145 (8,8,9,10,10,10,10,11,13)
11 UWW          126 (7,10,11,11,13,14,14,14,14)
t12 F & M         121 (7,10,11,11,11,12,14,18,19)
t12 UT-Dallas   121 (8,9,9,9,10,11,15,21,21)
14 St. Mary's    108 (9,12,12,13,14,15,15,15,21)
15 St. Thomas   94 (9,13,14,16,16,16,17,19,20)
16 Va. Wes        81 (11,13,15,15,17,17,18,23,24)
17 Brandeis       76 (12,14,15,16,17,18,19,23,24)
18 Willy Pat        60 (13,17,18,18,19,19,20,24,-)
19 Midd               51 (13,15,19,19,21,22,22,-,-)
20 Anderson       50 (12,15,20,20,22,22,22,25,-)
21 DeSales         41 (16,16,19,22,22,24,24,25,25)
22 St. Norbs       40 (16,20,20,21,22,23,23,23,-)
23 JCU                37 (16,16,17,20,24,-,-,-,-)
24 Chapman       30 (13,17,21,24,25,-,-,-,-)
25 RIC                 22 (18,18,20,-,-,-,-,-,-)

26 SUNYIT           15 (20,22,23,24)
27 Wheaton        11 (21,23,23)
28 Merch Mar        9 (21,23,25)
t29 Defiance          8 (18)
t29 MIT                  8 (18)
31 SJF                    7 (19)
32 Central             6 (24,25,25,25,25)
33 Carleton           5 (21)

[Ralph Turner]

Thanks for running the poll again this year!  +1!

I had 23 of the 25, and none of my votes were outliers, with the exception of Carleton at #21.  I thought that they played well at UWSP in the opening round.

I consider the MIAC as one of the strong "second" tier conferences, just below the 5 Power Conferences (in alphabetical order, CCIW, NESCAC, ODAC, UAA and WIAC).  Carleton earned the Pool A bid in the MIAC, and they played admirably.

Knocking out the members of the power conferences from the Posters' Poll...

FINAL POSTERS' POLL, 2010:

1. UWSP       225 (unanimous)
2. Williams     216 (unanimous)
3. Guilford      209 (unanimous)
4. EMU          195 (4,4,4,4,4,4,5,5,5)
5. RMC           191 (4,4,4,5,5,5,5,5,6)
6. Whitworth  168 (5,6,6,6,6,7,9,11,12)   NWC
7. WashU       159 (6,7,7,7,8,8,8,12,12)
8. Wooster      148 (7,7,8,8,8,9,10,12,17)  NCAC  or is this just a "Woo" and the 7 soon to be 6 Dwarves thing.
9. IWU            146 (6,6,6,7,10,11,13,14,17)  
10 Carthage    145 (8,8,9,10,10,10,10,11,13)
11 UWW         126 (7,10,11,11,13,14,14,14,14)
t12 F & M         121 (7,10,11,11,11,12,14,18,19)                   Centennial
t12 UT-Dallas   121 (8,9,9,9,10,11,15,21,21)                        ASC
14 St. Mary's    108 (9,12,12,13,14,15,15,15,21)                   Capital
15 St. Thomas   94 (9,13,14,16,16,16,17,19,20)                  MIAC
16 Va. Wes       81 (11,13,15,15,17,17,18,23,24)
17 Brandeis       76 (12,14,15,16,17,18,19,23,24)
18 Willy Pat        60 (13,17,18,18,19,19,20,24,-)                 NJAC
19 Midd               51 (13,15,19,19,21,22,22,-,-)
20 Anderson       50 (12,15,20,20,22,22,22,25,-)                    HCAC
21 DeSales         41 (16,16,19,22,22,24,24,25,25)                MAC Freedom
22 St. Norbs       40 (16,20,20,21,22,23,23,23,-)                  MWC
23 JCU                37 (16,16,17,20,24,-,-,-,-)                       OAC
24 Chapman       30 (13,17,21,24,25,-,-,-,-)     Is Chapman the "Southern Cal" representative this year?
25 RIC                 22 (18,18,20,-,-,-,-,-,-)                          LEC

I think that gives us a fair representation of the second tier conferences, too.  The only second tier conferences that I might consider that are not present are the SCAC, the IIAC and the MIAA.

[Mr. Ypsi]

And note that you have to go all the way up to #22 to find a team named on more ballots than Central (IIAC) - they may have only tallied 6 points, but they were named on 56% of ballots!

To me that is more impressive than several teams above them (which is why I list tied teams by number of ballots, THEN alphabetically if still tied).

[Ralph Turner]

#     Team     W-L     Pts.     Last Week
1    UW-Stevens Point (25)    29-4    625    5
2    Williams    30-2    600    2
3    Guilford    30-3    575    3
4    Eastern Mennonite    25-5    533    10
5    Randolph-Macon    26-7    512    16
6    Washington U.    24-3    466    1
7    Whitworth    26-3    447    4                             NWC
8    Wooster    25-6    405    17                               NCAC
9    UW-Whitewater    23-6    354    8
10    Carthage    24-6    334    14
11    Franklin and Marshall    26-5    315    18                 Centennial
12    Illinois Wesleyan    23-8    312    —
13    St. Mary's (Md.)    26-4    310    13                          Capital
14    Brandeis    22-7    282    —
15    Texas-Dallas    24-6    275    19                           ASC
16    St. Thomas    23-4    272    6                               MIAC
17    Virginia Wesleyan    23-6    223    11
18    William Paterson    25-3    206    7                               NJAC
19    Middlebury    25-4    205    9
20    St. Norbert    23-4    177    15                                       MWC
21    Chapman    24-3    175    12                            The Southern Cal entry
22    Anderson    23-6    99    24                                        HCAC
23    John Carroll    21-7    74    —                                OAC
24    DeSales    24-6    65    —                                        MAC Freedom
25    Central    23-5    55    22                                          IIAC



Second tier conferences in the official Top 25.

SCAC and MIAA members did not receive a vote this year.


Others receiving votes:

Rhode Island College 41  LEC,
MIT 33  NEWMAC,
Wheaton (Ill.) 33,
Carleton 32  MIAC,
Merchant Marine 30  Landmark,
St. John Fisher 18  Empire 8,
Defiance 15  HCAC,
Cabrini 14  CSAC,
SUNYIT 8  NEAC,
Clark 2  NEWMAC,
Albertus Magnus 1  GNAC,
Colby 1,
UW-La Crosse 1.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

So, I'm moving to South Jersey this summer.  I might actually get to see a few games in person next year.  I'll be a half hour from Rowan and 20ish minutes from Widener.

[altor]

FINAL POSTERS' POLL, 2010:

1. UWSP        225 (unanimous)
2. Williams     216 (unanimous)
3. Guilford      209 (unanimous)

Must be some new-fangled math.  Where I'm from, 23 * 9 = 207.   

[Ralph Turner]

FINAL POSTERS' POLL, 2010:

1. UWSP        225 (unanimous)
2. Williams     216 (unanimous)
3. Guilford      209 (unanimous)

Must be some new-fangled math.  Where I'm from, 23 * 9 = 207.   

The sad thing is how many of us did not recognize that and for how long it stayed unnoticed.

[Mr. Ypsi]

FINAL POSTERS' POLL, 2010:

1. UWSP        225 (unanimous)
2. Williams     216 (unanimous)
3. Guilford      209 (unanimous)

Must be some new-fangled math.  Where I'm from, 23 * 9 = 207.   

Aaargh!  I have it written down as 207, but can't type!

It's now been corrected.

[Ralph Turner]

FINAL POSTERS' POLL, 2010:

1. UWSP        225 (unanimous)
2. Williams     216 (unanimous)
3. Guilford      209 (unanimous)

Must be some new-fangled math.  Where I'm from, 23 * 9 = 207.  

Aaargh!  I have it written down as 207, but can't type!

It's now been corrected.

Or is the handwriting that illegible?             

[altor]

The sad thing is how many of us did not recognize that and for how long it stayed unnoticed.

I only noticed it because of the strange way my mind does math like that.  I was wondering how many people participated in the poll.  Rather than count the numbers in the lines below, I figured I'd just subtract the "unanimous" votes.  I got really confused when the difference between #1 and #2 was different than #2 and #3.

[Ralph Turner]

The sad thing is how many of us did not recognize that and for how long it stayed unnoticed.

I only noticed it because of the strange way my mind does math like that.  I was wondering how many people participated in the poll.  Rather than count the numbers in the lines below, I figured I'd just subtract the "unanimous" votes.  I got really confused when the difference between #1 and #2 was different than #2 and #3.

The frightening thing about this is that I knew what you were doing with the math thing!  Unanimous for 4th place would have been 198 votes!

[kiltedbryan]

I find it somewhat interesting that at least one poster ranked Wooster behind UW-WW, a team Wooster beat in the second round.  Also, two posters ranked Illinois Wesleyan behind Carthage, who Ill. Wes beat in the Sweet Sixteen (they split 2-2 on the year).

Any other direct match-ups from the tourney with interesting poll results?

[John Gleich]

I find it somewhat interesting that at least one poster ranked Wooster behind UW-WW, a team Wooster beat in the second round.  Also, two posters ranked Illinois Wesleyan behind Carthage, who Ill. Wes beat in the Sweet Sixteen (they split 2-2 on the year).

Any other direct match-ups from the tourney with interesting poll results?

Uh... Whitewater beat Point twice (UWW was 2-1 vs. UWSP).  Not sure that this one really qualifies though!

For that matter, La Crosse went 1-1 against Point too, including the game that cost UWSP the regular season conference championship.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Unless there is an undefeated champion, there is almost guaranteed SOME chain by which ANY team who won even a single game is shown to be better than the champ!

Head-to-head is obviously important, but it is not the only criterion.