Posters' Poll

[magicman]

Just sent mine in. Hope Mr. Y is listening to Hoopsville as his favorite coach, IWU's Ron Rose, is on the air as I type this.

I've had Mary Hardin-Baylor on my ballot for the past 3 weeks. Massey has them at #20 with a jump of 7 spots this week. Their SOS is #58.

[John Gleich]

Gah! Completely forgot about this last night.

I've got something tonight until pretty late right after work.

I'll see if I can pull something together during a break today... otherwise, don't wait for me, I'll get it to you tomorrow (without looking at the results, of course!)

[Greek Tragedy]

I'll have mine done later tonight after the twins are asleep and after my wife leaves for her small group.

Gah! Completely forgot about this last night.

Must have been watching Barclays Premier League soccer., or as I like to put it, British Premier League. 

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

The only team I really dropped was WashU - both they and WPI had snuck up my ballot a bit too far without my noticing.  I dropped three teams total, but not a lot of movement overall.

[John Gleich]

I'm in.

[Mr. Ypsi]

I have now received ballots from all 11 voters who participated last week (earliest time ever - thanks, guys!).  I sent out requests to a couple of potential new voters, but no word yet - I'll hold off a couple more hours in hopes of a new high in voter participation.

Anyone working on another ballot?

[Mr. Ypsi]

POSTERS' POLL (games through January 27th):

1.  Rochester      271 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2)
2.  St. Thomas    262 (1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,3,4,5)
3.  UWSP           243 (3,3,3,3,3,4,4,4,4,4,8)
4.  Whitworth      237 (2,2,2,3,3,3,4,4,5,6,15)
5.  WPI              199 (4,5,5,5,5,5,7,11,11,13,16)
6.  NCC              196 (3,5,7,7,7,8,8,11,11,11,12)
7.  Wooster         185 (6,7,7,8,8,9,10,10,11,11,14)
t8  Catholic         184 (4,6,6,6,8,8,11,12,12,14,15)
t8.  Williams         184 (5,6,6,7,7,9,9,10,13,14,16)
10  IWU              174 (5,8,9,9,9,9,10,10,11,16,16)
11  Middlebury     168 (6,6,7,7,8,8,8,11,17,18,22)
12  UWW             141 (5,9,10,10,11,13,15,16,17,18,21)
13  St. Mary's       132 (9,12,12,13,13,13,13,14,15,17,23)
14  Amherst          111 (6,6,7,13,14,15,19,22,23,24,-)
15  Ramapo           110 (9,10,13,14,14,14,17,19,19,21,-)
t16 Chris Newport   107 (9,12,12,15,15,15,15,17,18,25,-)
t16 Hampden-S      107 (3,4,14,16,18,19,20,20,20,22,23)
t16 Wheaton          107 (10,12,12,14,16,16,18,18,18,19,-)
19  Calvin               88 (10,10,12,15,17,20,20,20,22,-,-)
20  RHIT                51 (13,16,17,18,21,22,25,25,-,-,-)
21  WashU              47 (14,17,18,19,20,21,-,-,-,-,-)
22  RIC                  45 (12,19,19,19,20,24,25,25,-,-,-)
23  Transy              43 (17,18,19,21,22,23,23,24,24,-,-)
24  Augie                40 (13,15,17,21,24,-,-,-,-,-,-)
25  UMHB                32 (19,20,21,22,23,23,23,25,-,-,-)

26  UW-Stout          25 (16,20,22,22,25)
27  St. Norbert         22 (16,20,21,25)
28  Randolph            13 (17,22)
29  A. Magnus           8 (18)
t30 Concordia TX       7 (21,24)
t30 OWU                  7 (23,24,24)
t30 Wesley               7 ( 21,24)
33  MIT                   5 (21)
t34 Cortland St.        4 (23,25)
t34 Stevens             4 (22)
36  Lynchburg           3 (23)
t37 Brandeis             2 (25,25)
t37 Centre               2 (24)
t37 Emory                2 (24)

[Mr. Ypsi]

Some astonishingly close races this week (which is part of the reason I really hoped for a 12th ballot).  #7 is ONE point above two teams tied for 8th.  Meanwhile, at 16th, we had the first ever three-way tie among teams IN the Top 25.  YOUR vote DOES make a difference!

Whether it makes a good difference or a bad difference is all the the eye of the beholder!

Like the d3hoops.com poll we punished St. Thomas and NCC only minimally.

[Charles]

Some astonishingly close races this week (which is part of the reason I really hoped for a 12th ballot).  #7 is ONE point above two teams tied for 8th.  Meanwhile, at 16th, we had the first ever three-way tie among teams IN the Top 25.  YOUR vote DOES make a difference!

Whether it makes a good difference or a bad difference is all the the eye of the beholder!

Like the d3hoops.com poll we punished St. Thomas and NCC only minimally.

Interesting, must have a regional play.

Middlebury  had a couple of 6s and a 22
UWW a 5 and a 21   
Amherst  had a 6 and a 22, 23 and 24

[Mr. Ypsi]

Some astonishingly close races this week (which is part of the reason I really hoped for a 12th ballot).  #7 is ONE point above two teams tied for 8th.  Meanwhile, at 16th, we had the first ever three-way tie among teams IN the Top 25.  YOUR vote DOES make a difference!

Whether it makes a good difference or a bad difference is all the the eye of the beholder!

Like the d3hoops.com poll we punished St. Thomas and NCC only minimally.

Interesting, must have a regional play.

Middlebury  had a couple of 6s and a 22
UWW a 5 and a 21   
Amherst  had a 6 and a 22, 23 and 24

We've always had wide discrepancies on some teams (pretty good consensus on others) - I suspect it has to do with emphasizing record vs. emphasizing SOS.

As to regional bias, I've never detected it.  If anything, it seems like voters tend to be harder on their local teams, though I've never dug into the data very deeply.

[Charles]

Some astonishingly close races this week (which is part of the reason I really hoped for a 12th ballot).  #7 is ONE point above two teams tied for 8th.  Meanwhile, at 16th, we had the first ever three-way tie among teams IN the Top 25.  YOUR vote DOES make a difference!

Whether it makes a good difference or a bad difference is all the the eye of the beholder!

Like the d3hoops.com poll we punished St. Thomas and NCC only minimally.

Interesting, must have a regional play.

Middlebury  had a couple of 6s and a 22
UWW a 5 and a 21   
Amherst  had a 6 and a 22, 23 and 24

We've always had wide discrepancies on some teams (pretty good consensus on others) - I suspect it has to do with emphasizing record vs. emphasizing SOS.

As to regional bias, I've never detected it.  If anything, it seems like voters tend to be harder on their local teams, though I've never dug into the data very deeply.

Do you have voters from every region? SOS really only comes into play in the tournament. Then the paper lions with great records but easy SOS get exposed.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Some astonishingly close races this week (which is part of the reason I really hoped for a 12th ballot).  #7 is ONE point above two teams tied for 8th.  Meanwhile, at 16th, we had the first ever three-way tie among teams IN the Top 25.  YOUR vote DOES make a difference!

Whether it makes a good difference or a bad difference is all the the eye of the beholder!

Like the d3hoops.com poll we punished St. Thomas and NCC only minimally.

Interesting, must have a regional play.

Middlebury  had a couple of 6s and a 22
UWW a 5 and a 21   
Amherst  had a 6 and a 22, 23 and 24

We've always had wide discrepancies on some teams (pretty good consensus on others) - I suspect it has to do with emphasizing record vs. emphasizing SOS.

As to regional bias, I've never detected it.  If anything, it seems like voters tend to be harder on their local teams, though I've never dug into the data very deeply.

Do you have voters from every region? SOS really only comes into play in the tournament. Then the paper lions with great records but easy SOS get exposed.

With only 11 current voters, clearly we don't represent every region, though I'm reasonably pleased with the diversity.  We ARE greatly overrepresented in the (geographical, not d3 region name) midwest.

I didn't mean SOS in the official sense, but general strength of schedule, which I'm sure all of us do have a pretty clear conception of.  Some teams play lots of very tough teams; others not so much.  I'm sure we all factor that in, but differences in degree of weighting can easily explain discrepancies for teams like Midd vs. UWW (though I'm not real comfortable with the SIZE of the discrepancy, but I've learned to live with it! ).

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Who left Wheaton off altogether?  That was the biggest surprise to me.


Charles, I'm generally a NE guy (although I live in the MA region now) and I can attest that the NE teams usually get treated better than they deserve here.

This week it seems like the Massey ratings had a larger than normal influence on the outcome (Hampden-Sydney, anyone?), but normally I think we're pretty fair.

Strength of schedule is a big concern.  I won't even think about ranking Albertus Magnus this year (I might have were they to have beaten Yale).  I'm skeptical of WPI and even Middlebury to some extent.

[sac]

Who left Wheaton off altogether?  That was the biggest surprise to me.


Charles, I'm generally a NE guy (although I live in the MA region now) and I can attest that the NE teams usually get treated better than they deserve here.

This week it seems like the Massey ratings had a larger than normal influence on the outcome (Hampden-Sydney, anyone?), but normally I think we're pretty fair.

Strength of schedule is a big concern.  I won't even think about ranking Albertus Magnus this year (I might have were they to have beaten Yale).  I'm skeptical of WPI and even Middlebury to some extent.

Massey has nothing to do with my ranking Hampden-Sydney #3.  They are my 'MIT' this year.

[Ralph Turner]

Who left Wheaton off altogether?  That was the biggest surprise to me.


Charles, I'm generally a NE guy (although I live in the MA region now) and I can attest that the NE teams usually get treated better than they deserve here.

This week it seems like the Massey ratings had a larger than normal influence on the outcome (Hampden-Sydney, anyone?), but normally I think we're pretty fair.

Strength of schedule is a big concern.  I won't even think about ranking Albertus Magnus this year (I might have were they to have beaten Yale).  I'm skeptical of WPI and even Middlebury to some extent.

Massey has nothing to do with my ranking Hampden-Sydney #3.  They are my 'MIT' this year.

Well, your #3 is not an orphan.  Someone else sees them at #4!