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smedindy · February 15, 2006, 03:54:22 PM

The 18-2 record has a lot to do with it - and not a lot of voters pay attention to SOS really. Plus, it's really hard to get a good read on them since they're kind of isolated. Massey has them at 43 and Wolfe at 19 - so the power rankings are even split on them.

TeeDub · February 15, 2006, 03:59:54 PM

It seems like their QOWI might be influenced by having a Caltech in conference and in region since the rest of their conference (and region) opponents get to inflate their W column by 2 games...or is that a misunderstanding on my part?

sac · February 15, 2006, 04:36:13 PM

A win over Cal Tech is worth minimum points. It won't help them in their own matchups.

It could bump a team over one the thresholds .333, .500, .667 and give them an extra point or two per win.

Might be a good case study though. I wouldn't think its worth more than a fraction of a QOWI point.

smedindy · February 15, 2006, 04:43:29 PM

The SOS here has nothing to do with that infernal QOWI index, though.

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · February 15, 2006, 04:45:56 PM

I think the inference was asking if you use the QOWI in any form in your computation?

TeeDub · February 15, 2006, 04:53:41 PM

Quote from: sac on February 15, 2006, 04:36:13 PM
A win over Cal Tech is worth minimum points. It won't help them in their own matchups.

It could bump a team over one the thresholds .333, .500, .667 and give them an extra point or two per win.

Might be a good case study though. I wouldn't think its worth more than a fraction of a QOWI point.

I am no math guy or pretend to understand all of the QOWI stuff, but if 5 of your conference opponents in region winning percentages are affected by the +2 wins they get over Caltech and that results in only a fraction of a point, isn't that significant? I mean can't a QOWI of 10.150 instead of a QOWI of 9.865 make or break a Pool C opportunity?

sac · February 15, 2006, 05:05:34 PM

True it could, but the truth is most conferences will have a team or two below the .333 threshold anyway.

Wins against those teams are no different.

Check out the NCAC with Oberlin and Hiram. Those are gimme's for Witt and Woo, but are those any different than say the 4 wins the MIAA teams will pick up playing Alma and Adrian.

Mr. Ypsi · February 15, 2006, 06:32:05 PM

smed,

Does the SOS you use rate the whole schedule, the whole d3 schedule, the in-region schedule, or what?

As for QOWI, note that for Oxy it pretty much means the SCIAC due to their d3 isolation. They play independent Chapman locally, and this year got Whitman to come down for a tourney, but that's the sum of it. (Not positive, but I think Chapman is the ONLY non-SCIAC d3 that isn't a plane trip away.) I'd suggest they try to lure some WIAC or MIAC schools out for a sun-filled Christmas trip!

smedindy · February 15, 2006, 10:00:13 PM

It's the Massey SOS, which uses the whole schedule.

The key that it's an amalgamation. Otherwise I wouldn't have time to do my job.

Mr. Ypsi · February 15, 2006, 10:04:00 PM

If it is the whole schedule, I would imagine Oxy would have enough choices that such a low SOS IS their fault. Low QOWI they really can't be blamed for.

smedindy · February 15, 2006, 10:53:15 PM

Yeah, unlike Mississippi College, which is rather much locked in, Oxy has some say-so. C-MS has a SOS of 122, for example.

Ralph Turner · February 15, 2006, 11:29:38 PM

Quote from: smedindy on February 15, 2006, 10:53:15 PM
Yeah, unlike Mississippi College, which is rather much locked in, Oxy has some say-so. C-MS has a SOS of 122, for example.

The ASC plays double round-robin in-division and single round robin crossover just to get in-region games for its 16 members. Four teams did not play the full 25 game schedule this year.

The only non-ASC D3 team in a 200 mile radius of MissCollege is Millsaps!

As for the ASC, the conference has a record of 9 wins, 11 losses and 5 byes with one Elite 8 and 4 Sweet 16 appearances since 1998.

The ASC plays good ball; we are just so isolated!

The departure of Austin College to the SCAC will free up one more game on the West and 2 more games on the East.

That may help some with scheduling, but Trinity seldom plays the ASC. (HPU was supposed to finish 5th in the West.)

Southwestern may have been surprised that HSU has been so good these last 2 years. Southwestern will schedule UMHB because they are only 35 miles up the interstate.

UDallas left the conference 5 years ago, and only has two winning seasons and one Pool B bid to show for it.

smedindy · February 15, 2006, 11:47:26 PM

Ralph - that's what I'm saying. I didn't need no more 'splaining! But won't some of those schools still play Austin to get another regional game in? And if the holiday tourney rule goes in effect, won't some seek out those tourneys instead of playing those D-1 games against the Southland?

Ralph Turner · February 15, 2006, 11:50:24 PM

Quote from: smedindy on February 15, 2006, 11:47:26 PM
Ralph - that's what I'm saying. I didn't need no more 'splaining! But won't some of those schools still play Austin to get another regional game in? And if the holiday tourney rule goes in effect, won't some seek out those tourneys instead of playing those D-1 games against the Southland?

Sorry that I was so dense! $:-\$

Your Wabash Victory Glow was distracting me!

Mr. Ypsi · February 15, 2006, 11:55:08 PM

I don't have any suggestions for the NWC, but for the SCIAC and Texas-Mississippi 'islands' - lure snowbelt teams down for a holiday tourney! For the SCIAC, there are plenty of in-region teams that would love to escape the snow for a bit. Don't know if that applies to the ASC (probably not), but that proposal for break-time games counting as in-region will probably go through (or did it already, and I missed it?).

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