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[Greek Tragedy]

I'm not so sure any West Coast or Texas team has made the Final Four.  Too lazy to check it out though.

I think Lawrence beat up on Lakeland the year they went out to Washington and met Point in the Elite 8.

Now that I think about it...I'm pretty sure no team out "west" has made the Final Four.  When Gustavus Adolphus made it, I thought I remember them making a big deal about they being the first team west of the Mississippi to make the Final Four...I could be wrong though.

[sac]

Nebraska Wesleyan is not only west of the Mississippi but West of the Missouri River.


Pretty sure they're the furthest West team to make a final four..........also too lazy too look it up.

[David Collinge]

West of the Mississippi River and in the Final Four:
Cal State Stanislaus (1982--4th place)
Nebraska Wesleyan (1985--3rd place; 1986--3rd place; 1988--3rd place; 1997--2nd place)
Gustavus Adolphus (2003--2nd place)

There have been others within a few miles of the River:  LeMoyne Owen, Augustana (Ill.), St. Thomas (MN), Hamline come to mind.

[Pat Coleman]

What Gustavus was, was a team with a chance to become the first team from west of the Mississippi River to win the title.

[Gregory Sager]

Since somebody's bound to ask:

Northernmost D3 tourney participant: Whitworth (2003)
Southernmost D3 tourney participant: Trinity TX (6x, 1998-2006)
Easternmost D3 tourney participant: Colby (1994, 1995, 1997)
Westernmost D3 tourney participant: Linfield (2001)

Northernmost F4 team: Hamline (1977)
Southernmost F4 team: LeMoyne-Owen (1975, 1986)
Southernmost F4 team, current D3 member: Virginia Wesleyan (2006)
Easternmost F4 team: Southern Maine (1989)
Westernmost F4 team: CSU-Stanislaus (1982)
Westernmost F4 team, current D3 member: Nebraska Wesleyan (1985, 1986, 1988, 1997)

Northernmost champion: Potsdam State (1981, 1986)
Southernmost champion: LeMoyne-Owen (1975)
Southernmost champion, current D3 member: Virginia Wesleyan (2006)
Easternmost champion: Williams (2003)
Westernmost champion: UW-Stevens Point (2004, 2005)

Stevens Point, WI is slightly west of Bloomington, IL (which is slightly west of Whitewater, WI) but it's a tad south of Potsdam, NY. And McMinnville, OR is slightly west of both Portland, OR and Tacoma, WA. St. Paul, MN is just a bit north of Eau Claire, WI; Stevens Point, WI; Potsdam, NY; and Plattsburgh, NY, and Gorham, ME is surprisingly well south of all five. They don't call it "the University of Southern Maine" for nothing. And you'd be surprised at how far north Spokane, WA really is.

I might be the first person to ever use the USGS site's GNIS plotter for basketball purposes. 

[diehardfan]

oops... and I was actually going to do ranking for the final... 

oh, to be less busy 

if I decide to make one now, can my vote be added in chuck? 

[John Gleich]

Actually, I'd bet any Texas or West Coast team that has made the FF can top that!

If you think of total miles, then I'm not so sure... I guess it all depends on where the first/second round games and where the FF is.

Point went to and from GAC, to and from UPS, and to Salem.  UPS, that same year, would have just had the distance to Salem (which I imagine would probably be less than UPS to UWSP to Salem, the path the 03-04 Pointers took).

Now, if UPS went to Cali (and back) for the second round, then Wisconsin and back in the SS/EE, then to Salem, then this would obviously be more.  I guess I just assumed that this wouldn't ever happen!  jk

[Mr. Ypsi]

oops... and I was actually going to do ranking for the final... 

oh, to be less busy 

if I decide to make one now, can my vote be added in chuck? 

Sure, why not!

It's not like the PP is going to be archived for future debates!  It's just for discussion until the next 'real' poll.  Invitation is extended to others as well - you send 'em, I'll include 'em.

[Greek Tragedy]

From what Ralph usually says, any south team in Texas has a "close to 500 mile bus trip" anywhere for their, for example, opening round game.  That winner goes to NWC team for second round game and then goes to the midwest for the sectional...that would qualify that team as traveling the most, I would think.


Greg,

Nice work!  I have to look at a map again because some of those "this is more south/north/east/west places sound odd, though I don't doubt you!

[Mr. Ypsi]

Since this is now kind of de facto my home board - -, a question that I already posted on the final four board, but don't really know where it fits:

George Mason earlier this evening became the first d1 team in 20 years to be a double-digit seed in the final four (and since the previous team was LSU, they are the first EVER 'mid-major' team to do it).  Also, this is the first time since d1 went to 64 teams that NO #1 seed made the FF.

Questions (since d3 doesn't officially seed, so this would be devilishly hard to research):

Has the d3 tourny FF ever had the equivalent of a double digit seed (whether or not from a 'mid-major')?

Has the d3 tourny FF ever lacked a #1 seed?

Since the d3 tourny doesn't officially seed, these are obviously judgment calls, but I welcome any feedback.

[John Gleich]

Has the d3 tourny FF ever lacked a #1 seed?

Like you said, because D3 doesn't seed, this will be very tough... but I'd say it will be equally as (or possibly even more) tough because the "logical" #1 seeds are not pronounced as such.  For example, in 04-05, UWSP was the defending National Champ and the subjective #1 team in the country.  If it had been seeded like the D-1 tourney, they would have been the overall #1 seed... but instead, Point was probably the #3 team in the West/Midwest Regional.


West Regional
No. 10 Blackburn at No. 5 Hanover, winner plays at No. 2 Illinois Wesleyan
No. 12 Texas-Dallas at No. 4 Trinity (Texas), winner vs. No. 9 Pomona-Pitzer, site based on seeding
No. 8 Lawrence at No. 7 Gustavus Adolphus, winner at No. 3 UW-Stevens Point

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

George Mason earlier this evening became the first d1 team in 20 years to be a double-digit seed in the final four (and since the previous team was LSU, they are the first EVER 'mid-major' team to do it).  Also, this is the first time since d1 went to 64 teams that NO #1 seed made the FF.

By the way, Larry Bird's Indiana State team was a mid-major, even though they were a #1 seed.  Just FYI.

[Mr. Ypsi]

George Mason earlier this evening became the first d1 team in 20 years to be a double-digit seed in the final four (and since the previous team was LSU, they are the first EVER 'mid-major' team to do it).  Also, this is the first time since d1 went to 64 teams that NO #1 seed made the FF.

By the way, Larry Bird's Indiana State team was a mid-major, even though they were a #1 seed.  Just FYI.

True, and Penn also was in the FF that year (but I don't recall where they were seeded.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I'm pretty sure Penn was an eight in '79.

[Mr. Ypsi]

I'm pretty sure Penn was an eight in '79.

Just ran across it in a George Mason story - they were a nine.