MBB: USA South Conference

[narch]

here are my all-conference predictions (or perdictions, in honor of cnu85)...this is how i think the voting will turn out

1st team
lawrence, hall, berg, thomas, romeo

it will be tough to leave the leading scorer (arrington) in the conf off the first team, but i don't think he'll get the nod

2nd team
arrington, blasingame, grant, barton, williams

hon mention
deleon, mcduffie, selden, mcdaniel, fuller

poty
tough choice, but i think the coaches/sid's will vote hall

foty
feeling bad for leaving the leading scorere in the conf off the 1st team, the coaches/sid's will vote for arrington

coty
tough call...i think cj will get the nod since allen won the coty last year

[narch]

here is my all conference team...

1st team
lawrence, hall, berg, thomas, blasingame

i left romeo off in hopes that captj would come back to argue his absence from my first team...and because i thought blasingame was a better player than romeo...

2nd team
romeo, arrington, grant, deleon, barton

2 captains here...barton's assist numbers can't be ignored, despite a tough day in fayetteville on saturday

hon mention
williams, mcduffie, selden, ray, fawehinmi

poty
....not quite ready yet...i'm NOT choosing hall, though

foty
blasingame

coty
allen...did as much with less talent than cj

scholar-athlete of the year
ok, so this isn't a true category but it SHOULD be...and is in the odac (this is d3 basketball, after all)...eugene grant...only usasac player on the cosida academic all-region team

[cnufan]

Of course, Im right in the middle of making dinner and I get all this good stuff!! Dont worry Narch, I caught your joke!! No worries!!  Ill be back post-dinner to comment!

[PrideFan1986]

Hey guys, Newman was not included in the PVR on the web site because he's played just 7 games to injury against Averett. His PVR would be 28.5. Should be **at least** hon. mention

[PrideFan1986]

Ok, who tinkled in all the CNU fans cornflakes this week?!?!

That would be Greensboro College and Methodist College

Sorry leroy boy, I dont think that's the correct answer.

Hey Goose I do belive that is the right awnser to your question. They are mad that the took a 500 mi trip and got beat in both games.

[narch]

Hey guys, Newman was not included in the PVR on the web site because he's played just 7 games to injury against Averett. His PVR would be 28.5. Should be **at least** hon. mention

he played in just over 1/2 of the conference games for gc...he didn't have a hand in the outcome of 5 games - to me, you've got to play in the vast majority of your teams conference games to be all conference - just like berg IS clearly eligible to be an all-conf player because he played every conference game, newman isn't, in my book

[narch]

i'm still working on poty - i'm considering 6 players...my 5 first team picks and romeo (for you, captj) - i'm looking at 3 "formulas" to help me determine the poty

1. - i saw this on the odac board last year...take each player's statistical ranking in each of the categories tracked by the conference - in the usasac, there are 8 main categories, and 15 "leaders" per category (except scoring...30 leaders listed) - you give each player points based on their rank...1st=15 pts, 2nd=14 pts, 3rd=13 pts, etc. - the player with the highest cumulative rank is your statistical leader - i like this because it measures a player's ability to do a little of everything...there are a few players who are ranked in the top 15 in almost every category

2. - a coach who reads this board frequently sent me the formula used by his team...i'm playing around with it because it's a little more cumbersome than some of the other formulas i've used, but it has potential - this formula also charts things like deflected passes and charges taken...i'd love to be able to do the same, but the usasac doesn't consider them official stats - the other problem i have with this formula is that it uses per minute stats, and i'm not a fan of that at all - if a guy knows he's only going to play 18-20 minutes, he's going to play very differently than he would if he knows he'll play 35-38 minutes...he doesn't have to pace himself and he doesn't have to deal with playing through fatigue

3. - i'm going to go with my gut...this is a much more difficult decision than it's been in quite some time to me

[cnufan]

Ok, who tinkled in all the CNU fans cornflakes this week?!?!

That would be Greensboro College and Methodist College

Sorry leroy boy, I dont think that's the correct answer.

Hey Goose I do belive that is the right awnser to your question. They are mad that the took a 500 mi trip and got beat in both games.

Ya Im not quite sure its 500 miles to your crappy gym. Maybe 500 miles combined, sure I might give you that, but I dont think that's the reason 85 and captj left the post up board.

[Pat Coleman]

Maybe 500 miles combined, sure I might give you that, but I dont think that's the reason 85 and captj left the post up board.

I don't think they would have flown off the handle in response to one little post if CNU had split or swept the weekend.

[cnufan]

Maybe 500 miles combined, sure I might give you that, but I dont think that's the reason 85 and captj left the post up board.

I don't think they would have flown off the handle in response to one little post if CNU had split or swept the weekend.

I agree with you, I dont think they would have either.

[PrideFan1986]

Ya Im not quite sure its 500 miles to your crappy gym. Maybe 500 miles combined, sure I might give you that, but I dont think that's the reason 85 and captj left the post up board.

dont hate just appreciate. it might not be the best in the world but we still call it home and we PROTECT our sanctuary

[leroy]

i'm looking at 3 "formulas" to help me determine the poty

My PVR is as follows....

Assist +1.7
Steal +1.3
Point +1
O Reb +1
D Reb +0.7
Block +0.7
TO -1.3
Miss FG -0.8
Miss FT -0.5

Here are results....

1. Berg GC- 239.8
2. Lawrence SU- 234.9
3. Barton CNU- 227.8
4. Thomas MC- 219.6
5. Hall NCW- 214.9
6. Blasingame CNU- 194.7
7. Grant MC- 175.5
8. Deleon AU- 173.4
9. Ray FC- 159.6
10. Arrington NCW- 157.7
11. Romeo CNU- 156.9
12. Seldon CNU- 150.6
13. Stevenson AU- 148.9
14. Fawehinmi SU- 146.4
15. McDuffie GC- 145.6
16. Williams AU- 137.9
17. McDaniel AU- 132.1
18. Lewis CNU- 116.1
19. Fuller FC- 115.3
20. Radmonovic MC- 106
21. Newman GC- 87.1

Three interesting things...

1. Hall and Arrington are low (5 and 10) because this PVR takes away points for missed shots and awards overall production more.
2. Deleon and Ray in top 10.  Not sure what to think of that?  
3. Fuller and Fawehinmi may get on the team due to the MLB rule of every team gets someone, but on this PVR are no where close.

[narch]

dont hate just appreciate. it might not be the best in the world but we still call it home and we PROTECT our sanctuary

...except against the monarchs

leroy...i'm gonna play with your pvr...it's actually similar to the one that i was sent by the coach who reads this board frequently

why would an assist be just +1.7 (instead of +2) as every assist leads to at least 2 points?  similarly, why wouldn't blocks be worth more as they directly prevent points?  why would missed fg's be a larger deduction than missed ft's...there is nobody guarding you at the ft line - i know a lot of coaches value offensive rebounds much more than defensive rebounds, but i've never really understood that rationale, either...why are they more valuable in your formula?

[cnufan]

Ya Im not quite sure its 500 miles to your crappy gym. Maybe 500 miles combined, sure I might give you that, but I dont think that's the reason 85 and captj left the post up board.

dont hate just appreciate. it might not be the best in the world but we still call it home and we PROTECT our sanctuary

Ya we dont protect our sanctuary either. So easy to come into our building and get a win too.

[leroy]

leroy...i'm gonna play with your pvr...

1.  The main thing that I like about the numbers is that they balance out PG, Wings, and Posts.  As you can see by the All-Conference PVR standings it is pretty divided (posts may still be up a little high, if they rebound and shoot a good %).

2.  I'm not sure I see why an assist should equal 2 points because on every assit their is two points.  Is one more valuabel than the other.  I guess the assist sometimes is more valuable and sometimes the score is more valuable?   

3.  As for blocks, I don't think they directly take away points.  How many of those shots go in.  Also, blocks are my least favorite stat for a couple of reasons.  One being that they are the least accurate stat (very hard stat for SIDS to see and record) and the other being that there are so few and only a few players actually have even a substantial amount of them.  I'm really not sure if it is worth having them as an official stat to be quite honest.

4.  Rebounds- you might be right, they maybe should be the same.  I like them seperate for no other reason than to make my formula more complex.  An O reb does give the team another possesion which is why people likely value them more. 


Let me know of different values.  I'd like to see them applied to the A-Conf. stats to see how they turn out.