MBB: USA South Conference

[hoopshops]

This ISoar guy is pretty smart. LOL

Capt J,

I still have to agree with Narch with the reference of losing your best player. Losing your best player shouldn't mean the downfall of your team. Not saying its a downfall but, good teams always find away to fill a void. When Byrd graduated from Methodist the team won a share of the conference. CNU was still a powerhouse when Sinclair graduated. Others step up, filled his shoes and found ways to win.  Methodist must find away to do so. The talent is there but, they must be consistent. I'm pretty sure they'll turn it around soon they always have. Last year was the first time the team had a winning record going into conference play. Where I think Porter loss if felt the most is in the rebounding catergory.He got his hands on every ball that came off the glass. Thomas is a good rebounder but, he should not be leading the team in rebounds a post player should and must step up.  

Ballgame,

I agree with you to a point but, basketball is a physical game. I fill the refs should be consistent. If they are bad be bad 90% of the time, and call the game the same way for both teams. That way you know what you are getting into as a player and coach. I get mad when a hard foul is not called on one end but, called on the other side two or three plays later.

[hoopshops]

Anybody,

What is Karma for and, is it good or bad to have?

[ballgame]

Thanks hoops....though I don't recall saying that basketball "is not" a physical game....anyone that's ever played knows it's a physical game......'nough said 

[ISoar]

Ballgame - I think we're arguing about different things here, but I like to argue, so I'll continue.

Isoar, physical play ain't basketball.....

I don't recall saying that basketball "is not" a physical game....

You say physical play is basketball....what do you mean.....hand checking is OK.....forearm shivers are OK......

how many times do you see players delivering a forearm shiver?  And how many times did an official witness the shiver and not call it?  If that's what is going on then you have every right to complain about the refs. 
if you want to know what I mean by physical play, check out wisconsin, Bo knows physical D. 
As far as the kids getting hurt- My point was that a kid accidentally getting poked in the face, or smacked on the head, well that's gonna happen.  And yes, when it happens, a ref should call it.  But contact going to the hole? Someone setting a solid screen? Or a little bumping in the paint? "lettem play." 

Physical play takes a toll on the body.  Its part of the strategy, you beat your opponent down and by the end of the game they're too tired to handle your run. 

Most people get hurt, as a result of being tired.  They get bumped, they're not moving as fast, they can't protect themselves, and then they fall, or roll an ankle.  It's the same reason boxers tend to go down at the end of the rounds; the punches aren't any harder, the protection is just worse. 

As I said earlier sometimes people are going to get smacked, but that's always going to happen, regardless of the way the refs call the game.  At the end of a physical game, they're too just too tired to handle it. 

Sloppy games with bad o and worse d where lose balls are rampant and kids are running around the court in dust clouds are probably where kids get hurt the most.  But its hard to "clean" those up.

Hand checking is no good by the way.   


HoopsHops - I've been trying to figure out the Karma thing myself.

[hasanova]

Anybody,

What is Karma for and, is it good or bad to have?

Karma measures how other posters view the style and validity of your posts.  Applaud if you strongly agree and Smite if you strongly disagree.  Most posts receive no Karma score at all.  Higher Karma numbers are considered better.  To avoid unfairness and "piling on," you cannot rate your own posts and you can only Applaud or Smite a fellow poster once very 12 hours.  Karma can accumulate in both the Positive and Negative directions.  Hope this helps.

[ballgame]

How many national championships has Wisconsin won?  And who was the last big ten champ to win a NC?  Thanks, but I'll take UNC and Duke where they play D with there feet and all out pressure.....now that's physical basketball 

[Ralph Turner]

ballgame, the WIAC is a very strong D3 conference in all sports, especially basketball.

Some of the WIAC critics point to the fact that Wisconsin state has very few D2 schools.  In the 1970's the Wisconsin State Unviersity Conference, as it was called then, was similar to the Lone Star Conference and both were members of the NAIA.

The LSC moved to D2 NCAA.  Over time, some members of the LSC moved up to D1.  The LSC added smaller state schools that began to grow and annexed the Oklahoma state schools which comprise a northern division.  (The ASC, called the TIAA in its NAIA days, has two former members, Tarleton State and football affiliate Midwestern State, who moved up to D2 LSC.)

The WSUC moved to non-scholarship D3.   The WIAC schools have incredible facilities, fan-base and resources compared to other D3 schools.  The WIAC schools contend on a national basis year after year in all sports.  A WIAC member will almost certainly finish in the Top 8-10 in every sport, a feat that may be matched by few other conferences.

Here are the past champions as listed under Archives on the right side-bar.

http://www.d3hoops.com/archives/

[captj]

hops (and AWOL narch),

You can continue to minimize the graduation of Porter all you want, but I will continue to say that it is a lot tougher than you're letting on to replace someone like him.  Sure, you still trot out five guys to match up with the other teams, but those five are nowhere near as strong as the ones you had last year.

You mentioned that CNU was still strong after Antoine Sinclair graduated.  Boy, did you ever pick a poor example to make your point!  After Sinclair graduated we still had Jermaine Woods (1327 pts, 17.2 pts/gm career), Carlos Heard (1242 pts, 14.4 pts/gm career), and Terry Gray (1201 pts, 11.6 pts/gm, 7.7 reb/gm, 2.9 blks/gm career).  And we had these guys for two years after Sinclair graduated.  These guys were fixtures on the All-Conf team, and it was after we lost THESE guys that CNU's dominance ended.

This brings up another interesting question; has there ever been another USASAC/Dixie team that had FOUR 1000 point career scorers on it at the same time?  We had all the guys mentioned above on our team in 00/01, AND Albert Haskins at the point (#4 all-time in assists at CNU). 

[captj]

ISoar –

I believe that the Monarch's problem to date has been (and I've been arguing with narch about this all season) that they're having a hard time adjusting to the graduation of their best player.  But... the season is still young and I think that they WILL adjust, as long as they don't let the early-season bruises (losses) get them down.  Conference games are still a long way off, and for all of the USASAC teams this year, THAT is when the season begins.

hops -

If you read my post more carefully, you'll see that I never said that losing Porter would be the "downfall" of the Monarchs.  I picked them to win conference this year.  Let's just let it drop.

[ballgame]

If I slighted the great state of Wisconsin in anyway I apologize!   After all, WI provided my sister with a great spouse!  And to boot, he was a UW grad.  But I think Isoar was referring to Bo Ryan....the head coach at D1 Wisconsin.   

And I do have to agree with Isoar....lol....we are argueing about the same thing.  I found it interesting that a good friend of mine dropped me an email after attending the Duke – Penn game last night.  It was a Xmas present from his wife's employer.  He said it had been years since he had attended a college game and the thing that surprised him the most was how big the athletes were and how physical the game was.  We were laughing, because back in the day weight lifting for basketball players was taboo!  Man, has that ever changed....

[captj]

I'm nominating So Va as the USA South groupie.  They get around like a hackysack at a greenpeace rally.

Ferrum has them next tomorrow night.

[captj]

I'm nominating So Va as the USA South groupie.  They get around like a hackysack at a greenpeace rally.

Ferrum has them next tomorrow night.

Dang!  Now I'm losing track of what day it is.  Ferrum has them TONIGHT.  I'll need that calendar back, 85.

[leroy]

How many national championships has Wisconsin won?  And who was the last big ten champ to win a NC?  Thanks, but I'll take UNC and Duke where they play D with there feet and all out pressure.....now that's physical basketball 

Wisconsin won their only NC in 1941.  However, Wisconsin is a bad example of Big Ten basketball and physical play as their basketball program does not have a great  history and has only recently been rejuvinated under Dick Bennett and Bo Ryan in recent years. 

The last Big Ten NC was Michigan State in 2000 (oddly enough, Wisconsin was also in the final four that year and lost to MSU is the National semi-finals).  The Big Ten has sent 6 teams to the final four since 2000 (ACC has sent 7).

And to add to Ralph's comments on Wisconsin D3 basketball....Wisconsin schools have won 8 of the last 21 national championships (including the last two).

I agree that Duke and UNC play superior college basketball to anyone else.  But, to say physical basketball is not successful at any level is just plain wrong.

By the way-  what's up with the WIS references on the USA South Board?  Keep it up!

[captj]

What is Karma for and, is it good or bad to have?

Watch the new sitcom called "Earl".

[ballgame]

Leroy,
But, to say physical basketball is not successful at any level is just plain wrong.

Don't recall anyone here saying physical play was not successful....at any level.  I even admitted that my choice of "word" was wrong....I was complaining about some of the "rough" play, inconsistencies in officiating and the refs failure to control the game in a couple of USA South games I had observed.  

To me basketball is one of the most physical sports running....even more so today because the athletes are bigger, stronger and faster.....on a court that is still 94 X 50.  

CNU runs a version (I think) of the flex offense....series of picks and rubs....so it's going to be physical...also, they run what appears to be the "shell" defense.....same thing....gets a little crowded in the post and is tough to penetrate.  

I think that is what Bo does at WI...a lot of picks.....and some doggone good belly up defense.

Now how in the world did you "Badgers" get over here !  No wonder it's so cold in VA!  Maybe I should start talking about Florida!