MBB: USA South Conference

[narch]

the monarchs drop to 0-6, falling 88-82 to 6-0 emory on the road...the monarchs have lost 6 games in a variety of ways...a bit frustrating, but i think the talent to win some games is there

jernigan went for 29 tonight...

[D-BAT]

Anyone surprised with these won/loss records?

5-0 Ferrum    
4-2 Christopher Newport    
3-3 Greensboro    
4-4 N.C. Wesleyan
1-6 Averett    
1-6 Shenandoah    
0-6 Methodist    

[narch]

mu gets into the win column, beating piedmont 66-61 today...jernigan goes for 32 on 11-13 shooting

good job monarchs!

[GuyFormerlyPSBBG]

Make that 4-3 for GC.  

Anyone surprised with these won/loss records?

Actually not too surprised, coaches have done a fairly decent job making the picks this year.  I guess the surprise is SU.  They were picked to finish 2nd, and now are 1-6.


Let me bring up the argument again, CNU shouldn't host conference tournament every year.  I can't see that this tournament brings in enough revenue to even come close to covering the costs these schools must endure to transport the teams up to CNU.

I am not sure how involved the conference is with the costs of the transportation, even if its 0 and only the conference gets the revenue from the games, the costs seem too high.

If you truly want to improve this conference the money spent on transporting the teams could be used to get these teams into tournaments (regular season ones) with some stiffer competition. Any thoughts?

[CaptJ]

Let me bring up the argument again, CNU shouldn't host conference tournament every year.  I can't see that this tournament brings in enough revenue to even come close to covering the costs these schools must endure to transport the teams up to CNU.

I am not sure how involved the conference is with the costs of the transportation, even if its 0 and only the conference gets the revenue from the games, the costs seem too high.

If you truly want to improve this conference the money spent on transporting the teams could be used to get these teams into tournaments (regular season ones) with some stiffer competition. Any thoughts?

I wouldn't worry about it too much.  CNU is probably going to leave the USASAC soon and then there will be NO conference tournament because the other teams won't want to host it.  I guess they could draw straws... the short straw has to host.

[narch]

i've always thought the odac tourney model, in a nuetral off-campus site was the best, but the usasac couldn't come close to filling a venue like that...i can't imagine more than a few hundred at each game, and a venue of that sort has to be pretty expensive...if only burlington, nc had a 1000 seat basketball venue

[GuyFormerlyPSBBG]

i've always thought the odac tourney model, in a nuetral off-campus site was the best, but the usasac couldn't come close to filling a venue like that...i can't imagine more than a few hundred at each game, and a venue of that sort has to be pretty expensive...if only burlington, nc had a 1000 seat basketball venue

I don't think Elon would be willing to let us borrow their gym for the weekend either.  We might be lucky enough to get Eastern Guilford High School

[CNU85]

Make that 4-3 for GC.  

Anyone surprised with these won/loss records?

Let me bring up the argument again, CNU shouldn't host conference tournament every year.  I can't see that this tournament brings in enough revenue to even come close to covering the costs these schools must endure to transport the teams up to CNU.

I am not sure how involved the conference is with the costs of the transportation, even if its 0 and only the conference gets the revenue from the games, the costs seem too high.

If you truly want to improve this conference the money spent on transporting the teams could be used to get these teams into tournaments (regular season ones) with some stiffer competition. Any thoughts?

I agree one school should not host every year. Having said that, I don't know all the issues involved. Are other schools not asking to host, can't do it becuase of the costs to the school? I just don't know. Anyone have any inside scoop as to why CNU gets the nod? The decision is made by the conference, not CNU.

[GuyFormerlyPSBBG]

Make that 4-3 for GC.  

Anyone surprised with these won/loss records?

Let me bring up the argument again, CNU shouldn't host conference tournament every year.  I can't see that this tournament brings in enough revenue to even come close to covering the costs these schools must endure to transport the teams up to CNU.

I am not sure how involved the conference is with the costs of the transportation, even if its 0 and only the conference gets the revenue from the games, the costs seem too high.

If you truly want to improve this conference the money spent on transporting the teams could be used to get these teams into tournaments (regular season ones) with some stiffer competition. Any thoughts?

I agree one school should not host every year. Having said that, I don't know all the issues involved. Are other schools not asking to host, can't do it becuase of the costs to the school? I just don't know. Anyone have any inside scoop as to why CNU gets the nod? The decision is made by the conference, not CNU.

Fans are agreeing with me, that's not supposed to happen.

I've heard two things.

Nobody else wants to host it and CNU puts together a nice tournament and it generates revenue.  I heard those statements from a very good source, but that was a few years ago.

[CaptJ]

PSBBG is right... no one else wants to do it. 

Last year we saw how important the home court advantage really is when CNU got another NCAA banner in a season when the Bishops were arguably the best team in the conference.  If that game was on a neutral court we might have had a different representative in the NCAA tournament.  I say "might" because CNU was the only team to beat the Bishops in the regular season and I won't concede that we would have lost that game.

All of us seem to agree that it isn't right that CNU gets the tourney every year but what are you going to do?  You guys at the other schools need to lobby your ADs and get them to pony up.  Someone will have to soon anyway.  Like I said... short straw HAS to host.

[GuyFormerlyPSBBG]

All of us seem to agree that it isn't right that CNU gets the tourney every year but what are you going to do?  You guys at the other schools need to lobby your ADs and get them to pony up.  Someone will have to soon anyway.  Like I said... short straw HAS to host.

My vote actually goes to Averett, outside of CNU their facilities are "hostable"
Although the atmosphere of a full gym at Greensboro is the best college d3 atmosphere you can ask for in a conference tournament. (ie #2 Guilford @ Greensboro in 2007-2008 season)
MU houses the USASouth so that would be a good choice.

Heck, if Maryville isn't hosting their conference tournament, lets just go there.

[narch]

Although the atmosphere of a full gym at Greensboro is the best college d3 atmosphere you can ask for in a conference tournament. (ie #2 Guilford @ Greensboro in 2007-2008 season)

ever heard of hope/calvin...not sure greensboro/guilford is even on the same continent

[hasanova]

Although the atmosphere of a full gym at Greensboro is the best college d3 atmosphere you can ask for in a conference tournament. (ie #2 Guilford @ Greensboro in 2007-2008 season)

ever heard of hope/calvin...not sure greensboro/guilford is even on the same continent

Calvin and Hope draws 12,000+.  Greensboro College's woefully inadequate gym holds maybe 450-500 ... best suited to the days when GCP was a women's college.  I was there that night early in the 2007-08 season - Guilford was #4 and your campus security was not prepared for the game.  Never's a long time, but I predict Guilford will never play Greensboro in MBB in Hanes Gym again.   In fact, it probably wouldn't bother me and a lot of other Guilford alumni and boosters if we just stopped playing Greensboro in all sports.  Other than a 5-mile road trip, we have little to gain by doing so.  Greensboro builds up beating Guilford a lot more than Guilford builds up beating Greensboro.  In fact, I wish we'd schedule more home and away games with SCAC and CC schools myself.  

[tennis08tarheels]

Calvin and Hope draws 12,000+.  Greensboro College's woefully inadequate gym holds maybe 450-500 ... best suited to the days when GCP was a women's college.  I was there that night early in the 2007-08 season - Guilford was #4 and your campus security was not prepared for the game.  Never's a long time, but I predict Guilford will never play Greensboro in MBB in Hanes Gym again.   In fact, it probably wouldn't bother me and a lot of other Guilford alumni and boosters if we just stopped playing Greensboro in all sports.  Other than a 5-mile road trip, we have little to gain by doing so.  Greensboro builds up beating Guilford a lot more than Guilford builds up beating Greensboro.  In fact, I wish we'd schedule more home and away games with SCAC and CC schools myself.   
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Oh, so that's why Guilford College prints shirts every year that say "BEAT GBORO."

[GuyFormerlyPSBBG]

Although the atmosphere of a full gym at Greensboro is the best college d3 atmosphere you can ask for in a conference tournament. (ie #2 Guilford @ Greensboro in 2007-2008 season)

ever heard of hope/calvin...not sure greensboro/guilford is even on the same continent

Calvin and Hope draws 12,000+.  Greensboro College's woefully inadequate gym holds maybe 450-500 ... best suited to the days when GCP was a women's college.  I was there that night early in the 2007-08 season - Guilford was #4 and your campus security was not prepared for the game.  Never's a long time, but I predict Guilford will never play Greensboro in MBB in Hanes Gym again.   In fact, it probably wouldn't bother me and a lot of other Guilford alumni and boosters if we just stopped playing Greensboro in all sports.  Other than a 5-mile road trip, we have little to gain by doing so.  Greensboro builds up beating Guilford a lot more than Guilford builds up beating Greensboro.  In fact, I wish we'd schedule more home and away games with SCAC and CC schools myself.   

We are talking about the USASouth Conference Tournament which would be lucky to draw 317 people .  I was trying say that for "our" USASouth situation Greensboro would actually fill the gym, and it would feel like a full gym, as it should for a conference tournament.  (You would probably get the same at Ferrum or NCWC. Honestly, even though it may sound bias, but there is a ton more to do in Greensboro than in Rocky Mount or Ferrum.)

I think now we are getting around a 1000 or so as it is, but with SU leaving and discussions that CNU would leave too, the fan base will go too.


Nova-I totally disagree with Greensboro getting more out of the rival than Guilford.  It has always been the Guilford football that starts the trash talking at the basketball games. (I've heard what Guilford athletes have done to the Souper Bowl Cup, from a former Guilford football player. Very disgusted with that.)  Your argument might be related to the fact that a huge portion of Greensboro's student body is athletes and every sporting event will spark from that football game. Maybe the rivalry is fueled from the fact Greensboro is about half size of Guilford (roughly based on d3hoops enrollment numbers) and every time the smaller schools wins GCP treats it as a big deal.

I don't think the games across all sports will stop, because it is such an easy game to put on the schedule for both schools.  Coaches can have lunch together and say, "when do you want to play us?"