MBB: USA South Conference

[hasanova]

Calvin and Hope draws 12,000+.  Greensboro College's woefully inadequate gym holds maybe 450-500 ... best suited to the days when GCP was a women's college.  I was there that night early in the 2007-08 season - Guilford was #4 and your campus security was not prepared for the game.  Never's a long time, but I predict Guilford will never play Greensboro in MBB in Hanes Gym again.   In fact, it probably wouldn't bother me and a lot of other Guilford alumni and boosters if we just stopped playing Greensboro in all sports.  Other than a 5-mile road trip, we have little to gain by doing so.  Greensboro builds up beating Guilford a lot more than Guilford builds up beating Greensboro.  In fact, I wish we'd schedule more home and away games with SCAC and CC schools myself.  

Oh, so that's why Guilford College prints shirts every year that say "BEAT GBORO."

I'm not saying we don't want to beat Greensboro in every sport we play them - in fact, I strongly dislike losing to Greensboro.  Yes, I've seen the shirts and caps and perhaps even underwear, I just won't buy one.  I'm just saying (as someone close to the school) it's more important to Greensboro College than it is to Guilford College. 

PS  Fixed your quotation issue for you.

[tennis08tarheels]

I'm not saying we don't want to beat Greensboro in every sport we play them - in fact, I strongly dislike losing to Greensboro.  Yes, I've seen the shirts and caps and perhaps even underwear, I just won't buy one.  I'm just saying (as someone close to the school) it's more important to Greensboro College than it is to Guilford College. 

Well it's very possible that if the Quakers were winning a few more of these rivalry games, they would be trying to talk up the overall rivalry a little more.

As it is, it's been a pretty one-sided affair this year. The Pride have beaten Guilford College in football, men's basketball, women's basketball, women's soccer, volleyball (x 2), and swimming and the Quakers have won in men's soccer.

[GuyFormerlyPSBBG]

I'm not saying we don't want to beat Greensboro in every sport we play them - in fact, I strongly dislike losing to Greensboro.  Yes, I've seen the shirts and caps and perhaps even underwear, I just won't buy one.  I'm just saying (as someone close to the school) it's more important to Greensboro College than it is to Guilford College. 

Well it's very possible that if the Quakers were winning a few more of these rivalry games, they would be trying to talk up the overall rivalry a little more.

As it is, it's been a pretty one-sided affair this year. The Pride have beaten Guilford College in football, men's basketball, women's basketball, women's soccer, volleyball (x 2), and swimming and the Quakers have won in men's soccer.

If you are a pride fan Mr. Tennis, be careful, they don't like GCP fans on here

I am hoping narch and nova have become less predictable than in the past.  I will try to predict what their responses will be to your comment.

Narch:  GC has poor academic standards, therefore anybody can get it into the school, an athlete that wouldn't qualify at GCQ could get into GCP 

Nova:  GCQ does have strong athletic background, but we have a very strong academic tradition as well.  I bet you didn't know that Greg Jackson a former NBA player graduated from here.  I think it should be noted that I went to school with Erie Shore, baseball player who played with Babe Ruth. (Ok, a little sarcastic.)


I am just giving you guys a hard time. You know that right.

[hasanova]

I'm not saying we don't want to beat Greensboro in every sport we play them - in fact, I strongly dislike losing to Greensboro.  Yes, I've seen the shirts and caps and perhaps even underwear, I just won't buy one.  I'm just saying (as someone close to the school) it's more important to Greensboro College than it is to Guilford College. 

Well it's very possible that if the Quakers were winning a few more of these rivalry games, they would be trying to talk up the overall rivalry a little more.

As it is, it's been a pretty one-sided affair this year. The Pride have beaten Guilford College in football, men's basketball, women's basketball, women's soccer, volleyball (x 2), and swimming and the Quakers have won in men's soccer.

If you are a pride fan Mr. Tennis, be careful, they don't like GCP fans on here

I am hoping narch and nova have become less predictable than in the past.  I will try to predict what their responses will be to your comment.

Narch:  GC has poor academic standards, therefore anybody can get it into the school, an athlete that wouldn't qualify at GCQ could get into GCP 

Nova:  GCQ does have strong athletic background, but we have a very strong academic tradition as well.  I bet you didn't know that Greg Jackson a former NBA player graduated from here.  I think it should be noted that I went to school with Erie Shore, baseball player who played with Babe Ruth. (Ok, a little sarcastic.)


I am just giving you guys a hard time. You know that right.

First, it's risky to do my thinking for me.  I wouldn't even know how to begin thinking for you.  Second, if I was going to name Guilford's former NBA "players", I'd certainly also include the other three that really made an impact on the NBA.  Third, while I never met Mr. Shore, I would take the time to research his name "Ernie."  Fourth, I probably wouldn't say "I bet you didn't know ..."   In fact, I was Greg Jackson's classmate and surely everyone knows he played (and graduated from) Guilford. 

Narch, you're up!

[hasanova]

I'm not saying we don't want to beat Greensboro in every sport we play them - in fact, I strongly dislike losing to Greensboro.  Yes, I've seen the shirts and caps and perhaps even underwear, I just won't buy one.  I'm just saying (as someone close to the school) it's more important to Greensboro College than it is to Guilford College. 

Well it's very possible that if the Quakers were winning a few more of these rivalry games, they would be trying to talk up the overall rivalry a little more.

As it is, it's been a pretty one-sided affair this year. The Pride have beaten Guilford College in football, men's basketball, women's basketball, women's soccer, volleyball (x 2), and swimming and the Quakers have won in men's soccer.

That's all quite true.  Since Greensboro College seems to have very little else to talk up, I can understand their fixation on this lone accomplishment. 

[GuyFormerlyPSBBG]

First, it's risky to do my thinking for me.  I wouldn't even know how to begin thinking for you.  Second, if I was going to name Guilford's former NBA "players", I'd certainly also include the other three that really made an impact on the NBA.  Third, while I never met Mr. Shore, I would take the time to research his name "Ernie."  Fourth, I probably wouldn't say "I bet you didn't know ..."   In fact, I was Greg Jackson's classmate and surely everyone knows he played (and graduated from) Guilford. 

Narch, you're up!

I know there is quite a few, but I remember you talking about Greg Jackson a few times.  The truth is you've always talked about the academics at GCQ and the quality of the education.  Yes, its Ernest Grady Shore, but we also don't call "The Babe" George Herman Ruth

That's all quite true.  Since Greensboro College seems to have very little else to talk up, I can understand their fixation on this lone accomplishment. 

How about saving themselves from going under?

[hasanova]

You typed "Erie," which is a city, a lake and a canal.  I'm not saying you should have typed Mr. Shore's full name.  True, we don't say George Herman Ruth, but we also don't call him "Bab".

Yes, Greensboro College deserves tremendous credit for saving itself from perilously close financial and academic ruin - and I'm glad they did.  Greensboro College's survival is important to its students, its faculty, its staff, its alumni, the Methodist Church, the USASAC and to the city of Greensboro.  The bigger questions, however, are these:  how did Greensboro College (and its Trustees) allow the college to get to that point and what safeguards have been put in place to make sure it never happens again? 

Greensboro College's very survival as an institution has been at stake the past year and a half and with that predicament come the inevitable financial (and academic) decisions you have to make to create positive cash flow.  I'm absolutely sure Greensboro College has many fine and worthy students, but the bottom line is this:  at the moment, Greensboro College is probably admitting almost everyone who applies.  All of this information will be easily discernible from the reports the college is required to submit.  So, sanitize it any way you see fit, but expect lots of transfers and marginal students (including your highly touted "most of the student body are athletes").  If you're a great athlete and you were a star in JC or at a CC, one of three things was at play:  it was cheaper (which I totally get), you weren't emotionally ready to leave home (which is clearly the best route for some students) or your HS grades were so bad this was your only viable option.

I want Greensboro College to survive.  I'm rooting for you.  I just don't care if we play you in sports.

[tennis08tarheels]

That's all quite true.  Since Greensboro College seems to have very little else to talk up, I can understand their fixation on this lone accomplishment. 

I wasn't talking trash or trying to rub it in and I wasn't looking to pick a fight. Just trying to offer a possible solution to why you see more excitement about the rivalry on Market St. than you do on Friendly Ave.

I've been a hardcore Pittsburgh Pirates fan my whole life, but there's a point during every futile season where I just have to force myself to not care anymore, because it's difficult to care like I do and watch them lose so often. So since GCP has the Quakers' number this year, whether they realize it or not that might be causing a lot of GCQers to downplay the rivalry.

[hasanova]

That's all quite true.  Since Greensboro College seems to have very little else to talk up, I can understand their fixation on this lone accomplishment. 

I wasn't talking trash or trying to rub it in and I wasn't looking to pick a fight. Just trying to offer a possible solution to why you see more excitement about the rivalry on Market St. than you do on Friendly Ave.

I've been a hardcore Pittsburgh Pirates fan my whole life, but there's a point during every futile season where I just have to force myself to not care anymore, because it's difficult to care like I do and watch them lose so often. So since GCP has the Quakers' number this year, whether they realize it or not that might be causing a lot of GCQers to downplay the rivalry.

Oh, I understand.  An 0-10 season in football certainly saps your energy.  I'm also just saying Guilford has a much more diverse student body than Greensboro.  We simply attract a student demographic that just isn't interested in sports - either watching or participating - and I embrace that diversity.  In fact, I'd say 20% of Guilford's student body go to school there for four years and never attend a single intercollegiate sporting event.  Their interests lie elsewhere.

[Ralph Turner]

Let me bring up the argument again, CNU shouldn't host conference tournament every year.  I can't see that this tournament brings in enough revenue to even come close to covering the costs these schools must endure to transport the teams up to CNU.

I am not sure how involved the conference is with the costs of the transportation, even if its 0 and only the conference gets the revenue from the games, the costs seem too high.

If you truly want to improve this conference the money spent on transporting the teams could be used to get these teams into tournaments (regular season ones) with some stiffer competition. Any thoughts?

I wouldn't worry about it too much.  CNU is probably going to leave the USASAC soon and then there will be NO conference tournament because the other teams won't want to host it.  I guess they could draw straws... the short straw has to host.

What I bet happens is that the GSAC men affiliate with the USA South men.  The USA South men do not want to lose the AQ in all sports and will accept the affiliation of the men to maintain the AQ.

The 5-team GSAC men and the 6-team USA South men will send their top 2 teams to the top school of the respective divisions in alternating years.

[D-BAT]

6-0 Ferrum    
4-2 Chris. Newport    
4-3 Greensboro    
5-4 N.C. Wesleyan
1-6 Averett    
1-6 Methodist    
1-7 Shenandoah

[GuyFormerlyPSBBG]

http://usasouth.net/general/2010-11/10newbballformat

USASouth new tournament format thoughts?

[CaptJ]

http://usasouth.net/general/2010-11/10newbballformat

USASouth new tournament format thoughts?

The USASAC continues to slip into obscurity and insignificance.  They have basically thrown out the idea of having a structured tournament and have made it a playoff.  It shouldn't even be called a tournament anymore.  What is the next step, to do away with any post season games at all and just declare a regular season winner?  I guess that would be cheaper and a lot less effort. 

I think it sucks.

[GuyFormerlyPSBBG]

http://usasouth.net/general/2010-11/10newbballformat

USASouth new tournament format thoughts?

The USASAC continues to slip into obscurity and insignificance.  They have basically thrown out the idea of having a structured tournament and have made it a playoff.  It shouldn't even be called a tournament anymore.  What is the next step, to do away with any post season games at all and just declare a regular season winner?  I guess that would be cheaper and a lot less effort.  

I think it sucks.

I want to know the rationale behind it. Gone from what was said as something that made money, to something that could cost more or could cost less.  I think it was a way for schools to lower costs.

[narch]

it appears to me that attendance for games that did not involve cnu has slipped in the past few years at the freeman center (and it was never spectacular)

09-10: 1 game, 388 attendance
08-09: 1 game, 196 attendance
07-08: 3 games, 416 average attendance
06-07: 3 games, 578 average attendance
05-06: 1 game, 396 attendance

perhaps the conference figures that fewer fans/students of the participating teams are going to make the trip to newport news and that the usasac conference tournament isn't a big enough draw in and of itself to get those not affiliated with the schools in question to attend - i can say from a personal standpoint that i like the move...when mu gets back to a level that they are competing for a conference tournament, i'm 100% more likely to attend a game in fayetteville vs. a game in newport news - heck, i might even make the trip to rocky mount or greensboro to watch a tournament game (i've done it before)

when mu hosted the dixie conference tournament years ago, i was able to watch all of the games (still can't get the image of the dudes on the su dance team out of my head...that's a memory that will be forever etched, unfortunately), but i was one of a small handful at each game that had no vested rooting interest in the teams on the court - let's face it, this isn't the acc or ciaa tournament...it's not an event that folks mark on their calendar - putting it in on-campus venues gives a better chance for decent attendance, in my mind

of course, only 2 teams averaged more than 400 per home game last year (su and cnu), so it may not matter