MBB: USA South Conference

[Monarch96]

This board is great I enjoy reading about teams in the USA South. I do have a couple of opinions. 1st Montrell McNair and Jason Childress both from Methodist College should get strong consideration for 1st team on the All-Time team.  They led MC to the elite 8 and Jason was an all-american.  Montrell put up huge numbers and was as good as anybody at the 2-3 spot.  I think one of them should be in over White from Shanandoah. He scored alot, but didn't play any D. Go Monarchs

[captj]

A newbie.

Numbers, 96.  Prove to us your guys are deserving.  We're not going to just take the word of a JV poster on his first shot at the board (BRICK).

Welcome to the board.

[captj]

captj-
    That was a snafu between the track meets from this weekend and others not checking to make sure the CD was back in the music trunk. They planned on doing the national anthem like every other game, but since there was no CD and no pep band, we know Coach Waters wasnt going to sing it, so they bagged it. 

Come on, with the millions we've spent on the spanking new performing arts center and our shiny new marching band, you'd think we could find SOMEONE who could either carry a tune behind a mic or on a trumpet!

[captj]

captj-
    That was a snafu between the track meets from this weekend and others not checking to make sure the CD was back in the music trunk. They planned on doing the national anthem like every other game, but since there was no CD and no pep band, we know Coach Waters wasnt going to sing it, so they bagged it. 

Come on, with the millions we've spent on the spanking new performing arts center and our shiny new marching band, you'd think we could find SOMEONE who could either carry a tune behind a mic or on a trumpet!

I hear you have a pretty good voice, Goose.  You and FT could have done an a capella rendition that I'm sure would have been very moving.  Do you think 99.1 would have renewed our contract for next year had that occurred?  You blew it, dude.  Your chance at stardom and you remained on the bench.

[captj]

Montrell McNair and Jason Childress both from Methodist College should get strong consideration for 1st team on the All-Time team. 

Jason Childress!?  Come on, 96!  Since you've offered nothing in substantiating evidence, I went to the Monarch website myself.  He's NOWHERE in the Monarch record books.  NOWHERE.  And you know what?  I've been going to USASAC games for a very long time and I DON'T REMEMBER HIM.  Now, I'll admit that this may be greatly influenced by my failing memory, and I'm sure he was a very good player for him to have made such an impression on you, but I can't imagine him even making the All-Methodist team, much less the All-Dixie/USASAC team.

McNair is another story.  I see that he put up 1739 points for his career, very impressive.  But he's nowhere else in the Methodist record book, at least on the website (which is all that I have to go on).  So, that means that, for a career, he had less than 530 rebs, less than 214 assts, less than 138 stls, and less than 45 blcks.  And it may have been far less than these numbers because these are the lowest values in the record books on the website.  And you want to put him in instead of Al White (SU), who had 2001 pts, 898 rebs, 190 stls & 108 blks?!  I'm sorry... he makes 4th team, at best.

[narch]

We're not going to just take the word of a JV poster on his first shot at the board (BRICK).

not sure that was a brick...but it might have rimmed out - childers career numbers aren't unbelievable, but he DID have a magical season as a senior...1st team all-american...i think childers finished his career with around 1200 points...captj - if you had seen him play in 96-97, you would CLEARLY remember him...he was the best player on a monarch team that went to the elite 8 and was the first team to go undefeated in usasac play - mcnair was a flat-out stud and a frosh on that team - he's the best 2 i've seen in the diac/usasac, period (keep in mind, my history dates back to the 96-97 season)...he could dominate scoring the ball (driving, pull-up j's...didn't matter), but was a complete player on both ends and played well within the team framework - he is mc's all-time leading scorer with 1739 points (17.9 ppg average, 4th all-time at mc) and is also the monarchs all-time 3 point shooter with 246 - the mc website doesn't go beyond the top 5 in steals, but i'll bet he's not far outside of the top 5 in that category - anyone who saw mcnair play on a regular basis can't argue his inclusion in the discussion of top diac/usasac players, but his raw numbers don't necessarily compare with those of the players that captj has named to the first team and he played on a few monarch teams that were just average

as an aside, i think the 96-97 team, which finished 22-8, was 0-7 before the break...just a thought for those lamenting the monarch's current record

[captj]

if you had seen him play in 96-97, you would CLEARLY remember him...he was the best player on a monarch team that went to the elite 8 and was the first team to go undefeated in usasac play

You must not be counting Dixie days then.  CNU went 10-0 in conference in 90-91.  We also went 12-0 the year after your guys did it in that glorious 26-2 season in 97-98.

[captj]

childers career numbers aren't unbelievable, but he DID have a magical season as a senior...1st team all-american...i think childers finished his career with around 1200 points...captj - if you had seen him play in 96-97, you would CLEARLY remember him

Admittedly, I did not follow all of the teams in the conference back in the days before we had "the internets" (G. W. Bushism), so in 96-97 I probably just knew that a really good player was on the Monarch team (if that), and who knows what he did in Newport News that year.  I might not have even made that particular game since I was not a season ticket holder.  Childress definitely had "a magical season", but when you are putting together an All-time conference team (in my humble opinion) you can't overlook guys that had outstanding four-year careers and go with one-year shooting stars.  That's why I took my guy Ted Berry out of the first team, even though he had a great 3-year career.  Berry had a season much like your guy; maybe better.  27.3 points per game is the conference record.  He was also NCAA All-American (second team), and since we don't know who the swing player was that beat him out for the 1st team we can't really say that he wasn't as good as Childress just because he didn't make 1st team.

[cnufan]

I dont like to get ahead of myself, but damn, Lincoln's Kyle Myrick scares the bejesus out of me. He's averaging 32 a game and scored 42 in a loss to Wilkes the other night. I think Im having flashbacks from 00-01, cant be Horace Jenkins again can it!! Apparently this Myrick kid is a horse. 6-1 guard who also has dished out 40 + assists (but has turned it over 41 times). Im looking forward to see this kid play, and apparently there are many pro (NBA) scouts looking at him for next year's draft.

[cnufan]

Kudos to NCW for going to the Fleet Center and almost coming away with a win. 69-64 was the final. The Bishops shot 45% from the field but missed six free throws while holding the Tigers to 37% shooting. Great effort on the road. The Bishops LED at the HALF BY 8 POINTS TOO!!!

[narch]

You must not be counting Dixie days then.  CNU went 10-0 in conference in 90-91.  We also went 12-0 the year after your guys did it in that glorious 26-2 season in 97-98.

j - thanks for doing some fact checking for me...mc was the first team to go 12-0 in the diac

Childress definitely had "a magical season", but when you are putting together an All-time conference team (in my humble opinion) you can't overlook guys that had outstanding four-year careers and go with one-year shooting stars.

we agree, which is why i never pushed childers (not childress) as a first team, all-time diac/usasac player and it's also why i said that monarch96's shot was one that "rimmed out" rather than being a complete "brick"

if we were simply talking about single seasons, i doubt ANY diac/usasac player has EVER had a season like the one clinton montford had in '88-'89 when he scored 593 points (22.0 ppg) and grabbed 459 rebounds (17.0 rpg), but he only had a 2 year career at mc (not sure if he transferred in or out)

if we want to go beyond 25 years and compile an ALL-TIME diac/usasac team, jim darden CLEARLY belongs on that list - 1644 points (18.3 ppg) and 1206 rebounds (13.4 rpg)

goose - i join you in congratulating ncwc for a nice win at fleet - the monarchs broke the fleet mystique last year and it's always tough to get a win in that environment

[cnufan]

hey narch, they didnt win, if you read my post a lil closer, it says Kudos to NCW for going to the Fleet Center and almost coming away with a win. 69-64 was the final. The Bishops shot 45% from the field but missed six free throws while holding the Tigers to 37% shooting. Great effort on the road. The Bishops LED at the HALF BY 8 POINTS TOO!!!

[captj]

cant be Horace Jenkins again can it!!

I hate that guy!

[cnufan]

What die hard CNU fan doesnt?? Or should we hate Jermaine Woods just as much for dropping that inbounds pass and having it go out of bounds?? Im still not sure.

[njlincolnlion]

Goose:

I don't know who Horace Jenkins is, but Kyle "Fase" Myricks is alot like Allen Iverson, except he's built more solid than AI.  Myricks was honorable mention All American last year, and has a motor that won't quit.  Last year Lincoln relied on Jarrett Kearse and Myricks for scoring.  This year Myricks has a pretty good supporting cast.  I hope Lions conditioning pays oof during this 4 day run in two locations.