MBB: USA South Conference

[CaptJ]

BTW; If you still want to contend that more rigorous academic standards are a detriment to recruiting, take a look at what is going on a couple of miles up Route 60.  Coach Shaver has put together what might be the best W&M team ever, and I bet that his players are just as strong academically as the rest of the students on campus.  I'm just not buying that excuse anymore.

Coincedence that Shaver is former ODAC?  Maybe, maybe not.  I just know that I HATE LOSING TO VWC EVERY YEAR!!

Can't compare a scholarship program to a non scholarship program. And I bet the men's hoops team, on average, is academically lower than the student population average. Just a guess, but I bet I'm not wrong.

My first point was that W&M has much higher academic standards than CNU yet they seem to be able to fill the roster with genuine student-athletes, and that they are very, very good at basketball.   My second point was that I HATE LOSING TO VWC EVERY YEAR!!

[CaptJ]

Whats going on in Winchester?

The Hornets are 3-9 and just dropped 2 games back to back at home.  Other than Kline in the post points are hard to come by. I've noticed Washington was added back on the roster for the second semester.  Was he off the team for disciplinary reasons? The kid started last year now he barely plays, it must be a non-basketball issue.

SU vs CNU on the 6th!!!

I checked out Washington's stats.  You are right that his minutes are down in the 2 games he played in this year, but he wasn't that prolific a scorer last year so maybe the Hornets have better players this year.  Kline is definitely having a great year but if the Hornets are a one-man team they will be in trouble against good defensive teams. 

Conference play on 1/6/10!!!!  Bring it on!

[HornetFan4Life]

Whats going on in Winchester?

The Hornets are 3-9 and just dropped 2 games back to back at home.  Other than Kline in the post points are hard to come by. I've noticed Washington was added back on the roster for the second semester.  Was he off the team for disciplinary reasons? The kid started last year now he barely plays, it must be a non-basketball issue.

SU vs CNU on the 6th!!!

I checked out Washington's stats.  You are right that his minutes are down in the 2 games he played in this year, but he wasn't that prolific a scorer last year so maybe the Hornets have better players this year.  Kline is definitely having a great year but if the Hornets are a one-man team they will be in trouble against good defensive teams. 

Conference play on 1/6/10!!!!  Bring it on!

You are right he wasn't a prolific scorer last year but the kid is a player and one of the better athletes in the conference. From what I've seen this year at SU they could use all the help they can get.

Bring it on CaptJ

[CaptJ]

Whats going on in Winchester?

The Hornets are 3-9 and just dropped 2 games back to back at home.  Other than Kline in the post points are hard to come by. I've noticed Washington was added back on the roster for the second semester.  Was he off the team for disciplinary reasons? The kid started last year now he barely plays, it must be a non-basketball issue.

SU vs CNU on the 6th!!!

I checked out Washington's stats.  You are right that his minutes are down in the 2 games he played in this year, but he wasn't that prolific a scorer last year so maybe the Hornets have better players this year.  Kline is definitely having a great year but if the Hornets are a one-man team they will be in trouble against good defensive teams. 

Conference play on 1/6/10!!!!  Bring it on!

You are right he wasn't a prolific scorer last year but the kid is a player and one of the better athletes in the conference. From what I've seen this year at SU they could use all the help they can get.

Bring it on CaptJ

Maybe he has a nagging injury or just needs to be reintegrated into the team a little more if he missed the fall semester. 

OK, 4Life... bring it ahwuunn!   (You should see me now.  Here is the visual... I am making spastic gang signs with my hands and the most ridiculous expression of toughness on my face.   )

[CNU85]

My first point was that W&M has much higher academic standards than CNU yet they seem to be able to fill the roster with genuine student-athletes, and that they are very, very good at basketball.   My second point was that I HATE LOSING TO VWC EVERY YEAR!!

My point is that if you are very very good at basketball and are a high level student (W&M) standards....you're going to a school that can offer scholarships. If you can play ball and you are at the average 3.64 GPA you can get scholarships. CNU is stuck in the middle. Go to VWC and pull average GPA and SAT of their hoops team. CNU is trying to compete academically with schools that can offer scholarships and they are trying to compete athletically with schools that have lower academic standards for athletes and general student population.

[CaptJ]

My first point was that W&M has much higher academic standards than CNU yet they seem to be able to fill the roster with genuine student-athletes, and that they are very, very good at basketball.   My second point was that I HATE LOSING TO VWC EVERY YEAR!!

My point is that if you are very very good at basketball and are a high level student (W&M) standards....you're going to a school that can offer scholarships. If you can play ball and you are at the average 3.64 GPA you can get scholarships. CNU is stuck in the middle. Go to VWC and pull average GPA and SAT of their hoops team. CNU is trying to compete academically with schools that can offer scholarships and they are trying to compete athletically with schools that have lower academic standards for athletes and general student population.

That is RUBBISH, my blindly obedient friend.  Did you notice that the CNU women are undefeated?  NO MORE EXCUSES!  CJ MUST GO!

[CaptJ]

My first point was that W&M has much higher academic standards than CNU yet they seem to be able to fill the roster with genuine student-athletes, and that they are very, very good at basketball.   My second point was that I HATE LOSING TO VWC EVERY YEAR!!

My point is that if you are very very good at basketball and are a high level student (W&M) standards....you're going to a school that can offer scholarships. If you can play ball and you are at the average 3.64 GPA you can get scholarships. CNU is stuck in the middle. Go to VWC and pull average GPA and SAT of their hoops team. CNU is trying to compete academically with schools that can offer scholarships and they are trying to compete athletically with schools that have lower academic standards for athletes and general student population.

Your logic is so flawed.  We don't need kids with W&M level academics OR Div 1 hoops skills.  We just need very good D3 level players with academics that are acceptable in light of their "other" qualities.... specifically, their athletic prowess.  Getting an occasional D1 level player would push us to a very high status in D3. 

In case you missed my point on my last post... if the women's program can get the players, so could the men's.  IF we had a capable coach, that is.

[D-BAT]

Whats going on in Winchester?

The Hornets are 3-9 and just dropped 2 games back to back at home.  Other than Kline in the post points are hard to come by. I've noticed Washington was added back on the roster for the second semester.  Was he off the team for disciplinary reasons? The kid started last year now he barely plays, it must be a non-basketball issue.

SU vs CNU on the 6th!!!

Appears to be nothing out of the ordinary if anyone cites the history of the program since 2004-2005.

Since the 2004-2005 season as the Men's program is currently 3-9 on this young season which equals to just 60 wins out of the last 145 contests for .41% winning%

USA-South action starts on January 6th as the men's basketball program has only won 18 contests out of 60 USA-South conference games since the 2004-2005 season.  Regular season / USA-South Tournament won/loss records below.

    * 2004-2005: 6-06 ... 1-1
    * 2005-2006: 1-11 ... 0-1
    * 2006-2007: 1-11 ... 0-1
    * 2007-2008: 6-06 ... 0-1
    * 2008-2009: 4-08 ... 1-1

After one reviews the overall records to this point of the season, the USA-South looks to be down a little bit this year, so maybe SU will get more wins out of the USA-South this season?  Looks to be some parity within the league this year?  Time will tell.

[CaptJ]

Whats going on in Winchester?

The Hornets are 3-9 and just dropped 2 games back to back at home.  Other than Kline in the post points are hard to come by. I've noticed Washington was added back on the roster for the second semester.  Was he off the team for disciplinary reasons? The kid started last year now he barely plays, it must be a non-basketball issue.

SU vs CNU on the 6th!!!

Appears to be nothing out of the ordinary if anyone cites the history of the program since 2004-2005.

Since the 2004-2005 season as the Men's program is currently 3-9 on this young season which equals to just 60 wins out of the last 145 contests for .41% winning%

USA-South action starts on January 6th as the men's basketball program has only won 18 contests out of 60 USA-South conference games since the 2004-2005 season.  Regular season / USA-South Tournament won/loss records below.

    * 2004-2005: 6-06 ... 1-1
    * 2005-2006: 1-11 ... 0-1
    * 2006-2007: 1-11 ... 0-1
    * 2007-2008: 6-06 ... 0-1
    * 2008-2009: 4-08 ... 1-1

After one reviews the overall records to this point of the season, the USA-South looks to be down a little bit this year, so maybe SU will get more wins out of the USA-South this season?  Looks to be some parity within the league this year?  Time will tell.

WTF?!  Is my brain fried or is this totally confusing? 

"3-9 on this young season which equals to just 60 wins out of the last 145 contests for .41% winning%"  

How is 3-9 (25% winning %) equal to 41%? 

[hasanova]

Shenandoah's actually only played 142 games since the start of the 2004-05 season with the following results:

Non-conference               40-35 = .533
USASAC regular season     18-42 = .300
USASAC tournament          2-5 = .286
Overall                            60-82 = .423

"If" their record had been 60 wins in 145 games (60-85) as presented by USA-Fan, then I see where he got his published winning percentage of 41% (60/145 = 41.4%).  Having the correct numbers make all the difference.   Hope the Hornets have a good season in USASAC play!          

[CaptJ]

The CNU second team looked like world beaters in the closing minutes of the first half to go up by 12.  Now the starters have given up that lead in the second half... Captains by 1.  What is wrong with the starting team?  They seem to be playing with no intensity.

[Seatfiller]

CNU beats Westfield St. 77-60

[D-BAT]

D-I and D-III not so different: New SU Athletic Director Wayne Edwards weighs in
What are the differences between division-I and division-III sports programs?

Click the video or read the comments from Wayne Edwards (Shenandoah University's new Athletic Director).

Posted: 9:11 PM Dec 28, 2009
Reporter: Mike Giangreco

http://www.tv3winchester.com/sports/headlines/80239697.html

[D-BAT]

SU's Wayne Edwards:

"There's scholarships at D-I and none at D-III, but you still have student athletes, you still have coaches and they still want to win. So when you talk about differences in many cases they're grossly overstated. Because in the final analysis, student athletes want to play, coaches want to coach and you don't go out to lose, you go out to try and win."

[hasanova]

SU's Wayne Edwards:

"There's scholarships at D-I and none at D-III, but you still have student athletes, you still have coaches and they still want to win. So when you talk about differences in many cases they're grossly overstated. Because in the final analysis, student athletes want to play, coaches want to coach and you don't go out to lose, you go out to try and win."

True, but DIII coaches rarely lock players with concussions in darkened equipment sheds or miss an $800,000 bonus by getting fired the day before it was scheduled to be paid.