MBB: USA South Conference

D-BAT · January 28, 2010, 11:56:13 PM

Quote from: USA_Fan on January 17, 2010, 09:42:59 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 17, 2010, 06:11:59 PM
Big weekend for the Hornets! Stole a second game in a row today. I can't remember the last time SU has swept a road trip in the conference, was it February 1958?

SU was facing some tough situations with the PG Roberts getting t-ed up with 15 minutes left in the game and fouling out. The game was simular to the FC game yesterday, with SU getting some calls going against them. It sounded like a very physical game, but the Hornets stayed strong. Huge bucket from Dudley to win with seconds left.

The kids are playing with a purpose. The Kline and Schrader kids are big leaders on that squad!

I said that on January 17th.

CaptJ · January 29, 2010, 06:14:39 AM

When I was listening to the webcast this week I also followed along on Live Stats and saw that they used an efficiency rating that I believe is used in the NBA. I quickly copied the formula and pasted it in a spreadsheet for later use. I have put together a spreadsheet with current statistics. Here is the formula....

((Points + Rebounds + Assists + Steals + Blocks) - ((Field Goals Att. - Field Goals Made) + (Free Throws Att. - Free Throws Made) + Turnovers))

I used total stats for conference games only and divided by the number of games played by each player.

EFF RATING   NAME   SCHOOL
24.00    Derek Mitchell   FC
20.60    Tanner Carnes   MC
20.33    Trey Drake   NCW
18.00    Mark Blasingame   CNU
17.17    Alex Murray   NCW
14.57    Brandon Malone   AU
14.57    Chris Schrader   SU
14.40    Walter Brady   GC
12.86    Kevin Kline   SU
12.80    Lewis Owenby   GC
12.60    Adam Powell   GC
12.50    Lamont Stokes   NCW
12.20    RJ Smith   GC
11.86    Kenny Hart   AU
11.60    Tyler Sigman   MC
11.57    Chad Hardaway   AU
11.57    Kenny Robertson   SU
11.43    Jake Capin   CNU
11.20    Ruben Pierce   AU
11.14    Mitchell Dudley   SU
11.00    Henry Hall   FC
10.86    Mike Green   CNU
9.86    Brandon Bryan   SU
9.67    Jarmel Arrington   NCW
9.14    Conley Taylor   CNU
8.83    Domarius Thomas   NCW
8.67    Devin Nichols   NCW
8.20    Ross Diachenko   MC
8.00    Jerrell Wade   FC
8.00    Nick English   FC
7.67    JT Edwards   FC
7.60    Mark Jernigan   MC
6.71    Wayne Washington   SU
6.00    Jason Baker   GC
5.57    Victor Cortes   AU
5.57    Xavier Parham   CNU
5.43    Theo Baker   CNU
5.14    Daryl Hart   FC
3.86    Josh Russell   CNU
3.17    Michael St. John   AU
2.57    Brian Herrmann   CNU
0.20    Chakiris Moss   GC

narch · January 29, 2010, 09:50:57 PM

ah...the boys are peaking at the right time with a blowout victory over gc, 98-70...my favorite monarch (tyler sigman) had 39 points on a pretty decent shooting night - he was 15 of 16 from the floor, 6 of 7 from 3 and had 4 steals...go dots! (tyler went to poca high school...home of the poca dots)

blackshear had 9 assists and ZERO to's...not a bad assist/to ratio, if you ask me - jernigan and carnes chipped in with 17 each

i'm not sure which is better - the fact that mu won't go winless or the fact that win #1 came against greensboro...it's a tie

on a more serious note, i hope the gc team travels safely back to greensboro...the white stuff is coming down pretty steady where i am, and it's supposed to be worse in the triad

man, winning feels good...i hope the boys get on a little streak - wouldn't it be great if the monarchs won all the way into the ncaa tournament...it would be kind of fitting for the conference this year

narch · January 29, 2010, 09:54:55 PM

Quote from: CaptJ on January 29, 2010, 06:14:39 AM
When I was listening to the webcast this week I also followed along on Live Stats and saw that they used an efficiency rating that I believe is used in the NBA. I quickly copied the formula and pasted it in a spreadsheet for later use. I have put together a spreadsheet with current statistics. Here is the formula....

((Points + Rebounds + Assists + Steals + Blocks) - ((Field Goals Att. - Field Goals Made) + (Free Throws Att. - Free Throws Made) + Turnovers))

I used total stats for conference games only and divided by the number of games played by each player.

i like it...i don't follow the nba, but heard some talking head on one of the sirius sports shows i listen to talking about a +/- statistic (similar to that used in the nhl) that the nba is now tracking...i've long advocated a +/- statistic in hoops...i'm glad someone finally heard me

CaptJ · January 29, 2010, 10:43:12 PM

NOW we know what it takes to drag narch out of the library this season... a Monarch win and an alternative to his PVR/BMF formula. Congrats to MU... they were destined to "peak" at some point this year. I predict that Ferrum will also fall to the Monarchs this weekend.

Hey narch, when you watch the LiveStats as the game progresses you will likely see several players with a negative rating at any given time. I watched one game earlier in the season when one guy on the opposing team went off for like a +60 or something like that. Naturally, it was a CNU loss.

GO CAPTAINS!

FIRE CJ WOOLLUM!!

hasanova · January 29, 2010, 10:53:39 PM

Quote from: narch on January 29, 2010, 09:54:55 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 29, 2010, 06:14:39 AM
When I was listening to the webcast this week I also followed along on Live Stats and saw that they used an efficiency rating that I believe is used in the NBA. I quickly copied the formula and pasted it in a spreadsheet for later use. I have put together a spreadsheet with current statistics. Here is the formula....

((Points + Rebounds + Assists + Steals + Blocks) - ((Field Goals Att. - Field Goals Made) + (Free Throws Att. - Free Throws Made) + Turnovers))

I used total stats for conference games only and divided by the number of games played by each player.
i like it...i don't follow the nba, but heard some talking head on one of the sirius sports shows i listen to talking about a +/- statistic (similar to that used in the nhl) that the nba is now tracking...i've long advocated a +/- statistic in hoops...i'm glad someone finally heard me

We've been talking about the Efficiency Rating on the ODAC page for a couple of days - Guilford's center Tyler Sanborn had a 46 against Roanoke on Wednesday night! I like it too!

(29 + 18 + 1 + 4) - ((15 - 11) + (9 - 7) + 3) = 46

CaptJ · January 30, 2010, 12:44:19 AM

Quote from: CaptJ on January 29, 2010, 10:43:12 PM
Hey narch, when you watch the LiveStats as the game progresses you will likely see several players with a negative rating at any given time. I watched one game earlier in the season when one guy on the opposing team went off for like a +60 or something like that. Naturally, it was a CNU loss.

GO CAPTAINS!

FIRE CJ WOOLLUM!!

I think that I exaggerated some. I believe the game I was thinking of was the OT loss to Lynchburg when Steven Echols had a +36 night.

(33 + 7 + 7 + 3 + 0) - ((25 - 15) + (2 - 2) + 4) = 36

GO CAPTAINS!

FIRE CJ WOOLLUM!!

narch · January 30, 2010, 07:57:38 AM

sigman last night....
39 pts, 2 reb, 1 assist, 4 steals = 46
1 missed fg + 0 missed ft + 2 to's = 3

43 eff rating...not bad

CaptJ · January 30, 2010, 09:27:57 AM

Quote from: narch on January 30, 2010, 07:57:38 AM
sigman last night....
39 pts, 2 reb, 1 assist, 4 steals = 46
1 missed fg + 0 missed ft + 2 to's = 3

43 eff rating...not bad

Yeah, not bad considering he was 11.60 going into the game. Career game.

hasanova · January 30, 2010, 09:34:07 AM

Quote from: narch on January 30, 2010, 07:57:38 AM
sigman last night....
39 pts, 2 reb, 1 assist, 4 steals = 46
1 missed fg + 0 missed ft + 2 to's = 3

43 eff rating...not bad

That's excellent! Congratulations to the Monarchs, narch. I was pretty sure they'd get one (or more!) before the season was over.

hasanova · January 30, 2010, 10:17:15 AM

All the comments about the Efficiency Rating got me to wondering - what's the highest score you've ever seen? - in DIII or, for that matter, in any game? To refresh your memory, ER is:

(Points + Rebounds + Assists + Steals + Blocks) - ((Shots attempted - shots made) + (Free throws attemped - free throws made) + Turnovers)) = ER

I reported that Guilford's Tyler Sanborn had an outstanding 46 on Wednesday night versus Roanoke: (29 + 18 + 3 + 1 + 4) - ((15 - 11) + (9 - 7) + 3) = 46, but ...

I thought of one better - Ben Strong versus Lincoln U. in the 2007 DIII Sweet 16:

(59 + 17 + 3 + 1 + 4) - ((27 - 20) + (22 - 19) + 6) = 68

What's the best Efficiency Rating you can find? I'll be curious to see what we come up with!

CaptJ · January 30, 2010, 05:06:15 PM

I wish the CNU website had box scores going back farther than it does. There were numerous monster games by several of our All-Americans back in the 90's that I can't access. The best I can find in the very modern era at CNU is a 41 game by Antoine Sinclair on 2/26/2000.

I also found a great game by a duo. Donta Selden and Davon Barton went off for 34 and 35 respectively in a game against Lincoln on 12/21/2005.

narch · January 30, 2010, 05:27:59 PM

Quote from: CaptJ on January 30, 2010, 09:27:57 AMCareer game.

most 39 point games in college are

CaptJ · January 30, 2010, 07:23:47 PM

Quote from: narch on January 30, 2010, 07:57:38 AM
sigman last night....
39 pts, 2 reb, 1 assist, 4 steals = 46
1 missed fg + 0 missed ft + 2 to's = 3

43 eff rating...not bad

Changes his eff rating for the conference-only games to 16.83. This moves him from mid-pack to near the top of the conference. What a difference one game can make. That should be a lesson learned by all players. And teams as well. There is still a lot of time remaining to improve play and meet expectations.

usasouth50 · February 01, 2010, 01:35:09 PM

Big night in the USA South coming tomorrow. Obviously, the biggest game of the year so far includes N.C. Wesleyan (5-1) at Shenandoah (5-2). Winner takes sole possession of 1st place, if NC wins: they're practically in the clear to take this thing, if SU wins, they own tiebreakers over NC (due to the sweep of CNU and NC already losing to them figuring CNU takes 2nd or 3rd) then obviously sweeping CNU this year.

PREDICTIONS??